It is just 1 game.

[Cards_Campos]

here's some more numbers, since Kurt was taken on the team with probably the best offensive talent of all time, his TD:Turnover ratio is 64:72 (even though he's continued to play with numerous ALL-Pro WRs/RBs). Woeful.

the name of the game in the NFL is TURNOVER RATIO. You lose that, you're going to lose more games than you win.

OMG ...he has won 2 MVP's and a SuperBowl...and he led us to 8-8 last year tying the td record. He can win 9 to 10 games this year with a little help. IF Warner doesnt turn the ball over yesterday...The Jets just have more yards....Favre had 6 TD's...and if you check history...there have been teams with more turnovers who havent had 56 put on them. His QB rating is higher than Montana, Elway, Marino and Favre....which all refect how you play the game. Warren Moon fumbled the ball 161 times and threw an INT every 21 passes....Yet he is in the Hall of Fame and went to the playoffs 7 times. Warner plays risky and so he will turn the ball over more....But if the defense could hold 20% of his mistakes.....he will score 11 more times than turning it over. That will win 10 games. Boldin and Fitz I am sure were both asked who to start or who would they rather have....WHiz started Warner and has stuck with him for a REASON. Hell Matt couldnt even get into the 2nd half of a 34-0 game...and this is after Warner had the worst half in football...Tells you how low Matt is on the Bench.

 

[Cheesebeef]

LOL 4-12,5-11, 5-11,6-10,5-11 basically are records the last 5 years before Warner started....8-8 last year with him starting most of the season....I think maybe you should celebrate Improvement...or did you like those stellar seasons?? When have we been above mediocrity???? WOW I could understand if we were 11-5 4 years in a row....Baby steps man baby steps.

huh? 5-11, 6-10, 5-11 were the records when he started here also. i don't like 5-11 and I don't like 8-8 and 2-2. I don't measure the Cardinals against themselves because doing so... eh, this is pointless.

a qb on pace for 28 turnovers is going to lose you more games than you win.

 

[Cards_Campos]

No it is not. QB Rating doesnt take into account all turnovers because they dont include fumbles, and issue that many a sports writter and coach have been wondering about for some time. In fact the Cards just did a thing on there Maximum Cardinals show and asked everyone how you come up with a QB Rating, not a one knew how to calculate it not even Warner. It is not nearly as uncomvaluted or straight forward as lets say a batters batting average. A batters average is what it is and nothing more. But just like the pass rating, it is just one stat out of many that goes into the whole picture. It is just one puzzle piece.

In fact the QB rating isnt even agreed upon by all. For example NCAA and the NFL use different formula's.

Ok and Baseball stats dont take into account that some players play in a park 30 feet shorter in the power alleys...and some play on astro turf while some play on grass. Who cares the QB rating is what it is....and fumbles are caused by getting sacked. Even if they put it in there...His rating wouldnt plummet...because he fumbles maybe 1 more time every 2 games then the others...big deal. He also throws almost 2 TD's a game too.

 

[Cards_Campos]

And there you have it in a nutshell. Notice you aren't including yourself in the group of Cards fans, buddy. Notice you're rooting for Warner exclusively. Why can't you just say that you're a Warner fan and not a Cards fan. I could understand that and respect that. I won't respect how you attempt to completely ignore how awful he was in this game. Spin it however you like, Warner was one of the big reasons we lost. He gave up at least 10 points PERSONALLY.

Gee based on this thread you probably dont know I support the Buckeyes or Like Louisville in Basketball either. It is because it is a Warner thread. So I am defending Warner....To take this idiotic abuse from some fans who think Warner sucks when obviously Whiz and the staff dont agree...and have stuck by him...doesnt make me a Cardinal fan??? I have liked the Cardinals probably longer than you have been driving.

 

[abomb]

Didnt rtft, but CC has to be closing in on Top 5 most ridiculous ASFN posters ever.

 

[Cheesebeef]

OMG ...he has won 2 MVP's and a SuperBowl...

while you're back in the 2001, will you put 50 bucks on the 2002 future's bet for the Ravens to win the Super Bowl? Thanks.

 

[Cards_Campos]

huh? 5-11, 6-10, 5-11 were the records when he started here also. i don't like 5-11 and I don't like 8-8 and 2-2. I don't measure the Cardinals against themselves because doing so... eh, this is pointless.

a qb on pace for 28 turnovers is going to lose you more games than you win.

So his 6 turnovers is the norm. He has played 4 games and turned it over 1 in 1...0 in 2 and 6 in 1 and you say lets get the average.

You know what...It is pointless and thank God our coach...who knows more football than all of you added up...STarted Warner, Stuck with Warner and will stay with Warner.....So my point is proven by what you get. Dont like it ...Call Coach.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Didnt rtft, but CC has to be closing in on Top 5 most ridiculous ASFN posters ever.

Since you insulted me first...Moron...I dont give a damn what you think. Warner got the starting job, Has the starting job and all by who. A man who has more football knowledge than you. So I will take his word on it. You guys dont like him fine. But you dont know football....Warner Proved it last year.

 

[Cards_Campos]

while you're back in the 2001, will you put 50 bucks on the 2002 future's bet for the Ravens to win the Super Bowl? Thanks.

How about last year? 8-8 is better than we have had in Since Buddy Ryan. ANd 2 of our losses went on Rackers!!! Kurt had the stats for us to win 10 games....he does this year.... DId you know if you goto a casino and break even or win a small amount it is better than losing alot every time. 8-8 9-7 makes the playoffs probably this year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So his 6 turnovers is the norm. He has played 4 games and turned it over 1 in 1...0 in 2 and 6 in 1 and you say lets get the average.

uh, no, you used his stats to get the average of 4900 and 32 TDs, I just added the rest of them... or is there a rule that you're allowed to take the stats in this game, which padded his TD and passing numbers and use them to extrapolate the good stats, but someone else can't do the exact same thing to extrapolate the bad ones?

 

[abomb]

Since you insulted me first...Moron...I dont give a damn what you think. Warner got the starting job, Has the starting job and all by who. A man who has more football knowledge than you. So I will take his word on it. You guys dont like him fine. But you dont know football....Warner Proved it last year.

Just come clean. You are Warner's kid right? Better start a few more crazy threads before mom sends you to bed.

 

[Cards_Campos]

uh, no, you used his stats to get the average of 4900 and 32 TDs, I just added the rest of them... or is there a rule that you're allowed to take the stats in this game, which padded his TD and passing numbers and use them to extrapolate the good stats, but someone else can't do the exact same thing to extrapolate the bad ones?

Uh no...I rather erase this game and then project his stats....But since this game counts I had to put in there. But 6 turnovers wont happen probably ever again. His TD 's were normal and the yards I could care less....So yea this game just ballooned his bad stats.

 

[azmike74]

This is legendary, I haven't seen anything like this since that guy who used all the "....." in his posts (can't remember his screen name)

 

[joeshmo]

OMG ...he has won 2 MVP's and a SuperBowl

How long ago was that. Can we please stay in the present.

and if you check history...there have been teams with more turnovers who havent had 56 put on them.

Check history? How many who turned the ball over 7 times in the modern NFL with the rules that favor the offense more nowadays, thats the real question.

His QB rating is higher than Montana, Elway, Marino and Favre....which all refect how you play the game.

See earlier post no it does not. It only reflects a portion of it.

Warren Moon fumbled the ball 161 times and threw an INT every 21 passes....Yet he is in the Hall of Fame and went to the playoffs 7 times. Warner plays risky and so he will turn the ball over more

I dont know why I have turned into your fact checker maybe you can do that for once one of these times. You keep throwing out all of these stats hoping they will stick, one just might stick one of these times.

Moon only fumbled the ball once out of every 42 pass attempts. Still way better then Warner. I wont even mention the fact that Moon was a running scrambling QB who ran the ball way more then Warner thus having even more opportunities to fumble the ball as a running back past the 1 fumble per 42 pass attempts. Not to mention that Moon had more pressure on him then most QB's having to play in the run and shoot offense with most the time only having 5 blockers blocking for him.

Warren Moon went to the hall of fame because he broke the Black QB barrier and put a new spin on the QB position byt running the ball. He changed the way coaches and GM's thought about the position and showed GM's and Coaches that mobility in a QB is an important thing to have, not just your classic drop back passers. He changed the way the position was looked at and how it is scouted.

....But if the defense could hold 20% of his mistakes.....

This is supposed to be in defense of Warner. We have to have a defense to cover for the QB's mistakes? That is very hard to do when the opposing offense only has to go 50 yards to score a TD or go 20 yards to score a field goal. To much pressure for a defense to have no matter how talented that defense is.

 

[abomb]

This is legendary, I haven't seen anything like this since that guy who used all the "....." in his posts (can't remember his screen name)

BroncoGal?

vikesfan?

Vomitboy?

NEM?

 

[Cards_Campos]

Just come clean. You are Warner's kid right? Better start a few more crazy threads before mom sends you to bed.

Dude same joke different thread. It is a Warner thread...So i am defending him. Start a buckeye thread and you would call me Mrs Tressel. It doesnt matter. Think what you want. I cant win with you guys. You know what they say about argueing with an idiot...they bring you to their level and then beat you with experience. You win. But Warner is our starter....like it or not.....and when we go 9-7 and win our division...I cant wait to see what you guys write then. 5-2 at home and 2-3 on the road the rest of the way...very easy to do...and that is 9-7.

 

[Cheesebeef]

How about last year? 8-8 is better than we have had in Since Buddy Ryan. ANd 2 of our losses went on Rackers!!!

those two games where Kurt had 3 turnovers? Or was it the game where he had 5 turnovers? Or was it the game against Tampa where he threw for two picks and no TDs?

Kurt had the stats for us to win 10 games....

he had 27 TDs:23 Turnovers... more turnovers per snap than any QB in the league. That ain't gonna win you 10 games in any NFL.

he does this year.... DId you know if you goto a casino and break even or win a small amount it is better than losing alot every time. 8-8 9-7 makes the playoffs probably this year.

I'm glad you're content with mediocrity. Just because the Cardinals habitually shovel diahreea into our mouths doesn't mean I'm gonna celebrate when it's just a small cup of crap, which is what 8-8 and one and done with no hope for the future is.

 

[azmike74]

BroncoGal?

vikesfan?

Vomitboy?

NEM?

Exactly, that pretty much covers it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Uh no...I rather erase this game and then project his stats....But since this game counts I had to put in there. But 6 turnovers wont happen probably ever again. His TD 's were normal and the yards I could care less....So yea this game just ballooned his bad stats.

it's only the beginning. and while this game was unusually high in turnovers, the first three games of the season weren't "normal" as far as his turnovers have been for thelast 7 years.

 

[joeshmo]

uh, no, you used his stats to get the average of 4900 and 32 TDs, I just added the rest of them... or is there a rule that you're allowed to take the stats in this game, which padded his TD and passing numbers and use them to extrapolate the good stats, but someone else can't do the exact same thing to extrapolate the bad ones?

No you cant. You cannot extrapolate the bad stats unless it strengthens your arguement or if you are the thread starter. Since you were not the thread starter you cannot do such a thing. Its common thread etiquite.

 

[Cards_Campos]

How long ago was that. Can we please stay in the present.






I dont know why I have turned into your fact checker maybe you can do that for once one of these times. You keep throwing out all of these stats hoping they will stick, one just might stick one of these times.

Moon only fumbled the ball once out of every 42 pass attempts. Still way better then Warner. I wont even mention the fact that Moon was a running scrambling QB who ran the ball way more then Warner thus having even more opportunities to fumble the ball as a running back past the 1 fumble per 42 pass attempts. Not to mention that Moon had more pressure on him then most QB's having to play in the run and shoot offense with most the time only having 5 blockers blocking for him.

Warren Moon went to the hall of fame because he broke the Black QB barrier and put a new spin on the QB position byt running the ball. He changed the way coaches and GM's thought about the position and showed GM's and Coaches that mobility in a QB is an important thing to have, not just your classic drop back passers. He changed the way the position was looked at and how it is scouted.

Warren Moon was a running QB??? This is your facts. LOL he had 1736 yds in 16 seasons...about 110 a year!!!! so like 8 yds a game. LOL...good job way to break me with stats there...

 

[Cards_Campos]

No you cant. You cannot extrapolate the bad stats unless it strengthens your arguement or if you are the thread starter. Since you were not the thread starter you cannot do such a thing. Its common thread etiquite.

Wow...He threw a perfect game 2 weeks ago. Only been done a handful of times...and he did it...Even Favre's 6 TD performance didnt match it..he holds the record with Manning...and he did it pre 2002 and 2008...stats dont lie. He had a bad game...lets see what he does at home the next 2 weeks...IF he plays well and we win...you guys all sit it at home and pout that a guy 20 years older than you still plays like a MVP...

 

[Cheesebeef]

Wow...He threw a perfect game 2 weeks ago. Only been done a handful of times...and he did it...Even Favre's 6 TD performance didnt match it..he holds the record with Manning...and he did it pre 2002 and 2008...stats dont lie.

your right. from 2002 to 2008 a 64:72 TD:Turnover ratio doesn't lie.

He had a bad game...lets see what he does at home the next 2 weeks...IF he plays well and we win...you guys all sit it at home and pout that a guy 20 years older than you still plays like a MVP...

yes, that is what we'll do. We'll pout after winning two huge games, just like we pouted after the first two games of the season. This is comical.

Mokler, regardless of your bias towards Warner, you do come across as an intelligent individual who can actually hold a solid football convo so let me ask you this: Do you ever look at this guy and think to yourself: "Man, if this is the only guy agreeing with me, maybe everyone else is right?"

 

[joeshmo]

Ok and Baseball stats dont take into account that some players play in a park 30 feet shorter in the power alleys...and some play on astro turf while some play on grass.

OK you just made my point. Just like batting average doesnt take into account everything QB rating is not the end all stat as well. Yet you keep trying to bring it up like it is while ignoreing the rest of the game. You back track worse then a fugitive running from a tracker. Stick with your point and keep it up back tracking only makes it look worse.

Who cares the QB rating is what it is....and fumbles are caused by getting sacked.

Fumbles are not caused by getting sacked. They are caused by not taking care of the football. If it were as simple as just getting sacked then Ben would have had 8 fumbles last week. But alas he did not, he had 2 of them.

Even if they put it in there...His rating wouldnt plummet

Actually since lost Fumbles are turnoversin the same category as INT's then his QB rating would be Zero yesterday.

because he fumbles maybe 1 more time every 2 games then the others...big deal. He also throws almost 2 TD's a game too.

You cant just blanketly say every two games. Not every QB throws the ball the same amount of times. Stop looking at things in a vacuum. Plus it is a big deal. Not sure why that isnt understood. Teams that win the turnover battle win the football game 80% of the time. 6 more turnovers every year isnt going to help you be apart of that 80%.

This is starting to get boring.

 

[Cards_Campos]

your right. from 2002 to 2008 a 64:72 TD:Turnover ratio doesn't lie.



yes, that is what we'll do. We'll pout after winning two huge games, just like we pouted after the first two games of the season. This is comical.

Mokler, regardless of your bias towards Warner, you do come across as an intelligent individual who can actually hold a solid football convo so let me ask you this: Do you ever look at this guy and think to yourself: "Man, if this is the only guy agreeing with me, maybe everyone else is right?"

Please tell me where any of my opinions are that far off? Explain to me how I come across not intelligent. Graduated from Ohio State...Have a beautiful family and have a great job. I write a thread about Warner and 20 So-Called experts and Beat writers start sitting down at their computers thinking they know it all. You guys dont like Warner and use your own stats to defend yourself and when I use stats..I am an idiot. Warner has played well...played well enough to be named our starter..and not by me.. This is why the country is in the shape it is in. Politics is no different you spin the facts to support your arguement...and everyone is blind to what ever differs from their own opinion. Perfect huh?