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Wow...He threw a perfect game 2 weeks ago. Only been done a handful of times...and he did it...Even Favre's 6 TD performance didnt match it..he holds the record with Manning...

You just keep making my point more and more. Just shows how bad of a stat passer rating really is. I think I would rather have Favre's 6 TD's pass then a perfect passer rating.

He had a bad game...

So he had a bad game now. Wasnt it he only had one bad half? Or are you finally taking the game as a whole instead of bits and pieces that you like the most.

lets see what he does at home the next 2 weeks...IF he plays well and we win...you guys all sit it at home and pout that a guy 20 years older than you still plays like a MVP...

I dread that day that my football team wins football games.:sarcasm:

You like to talk about people only reading bits and pieces of your posts yet you turn around and the same thing. Most everyone thinks Warner should get up to the bye week before he is benched and has been mentioned many times so far. Pot meet Kettle.
 
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OK you just made my point. Just like batting average doesnt take into account everything QB rating is not the end all stat as well. Yet you keep trying to bring it up like it is while ignoreing the rest of the game. You back track worse then a fugitive running from a tracker. Stick with your point and keep it up back tracking only makes it look worse.



Fumbles are not caused by getting sacked. They are caused by not taking care of the football. If it were as simple as just getting sacked then Ben would have had 8 fumbles last week. But alas he did not, he had 2 of them.



Actually since lost Fumbles are turnoversin the same category as INT's then his QB rating would be Zero yesterday.



You cant just blanketly say every two games. Not every QB throws the ball the same amount of times. Stop looking at things in a vacuum. Plus it is a big deal. Not sure why that isnt understood. Teams that win the turnover battle win the football game 80% of the time. 6 more turnovers every year isnt going to help you be apart of that 80%.

This is starting to get boring.


Man do you work in the oval office? YOU wrote that he throws an INT every 34 or so passes and the others are around 51...so I rounded and said around 2 games. His fumbles are not that high over everyone elses...even 17 pass attempts more pushes it into 2 games. ANd he doesnt lose them all either. The facts are period. If Rackers makes a 28 yd FG and yes a far 55 yd one...which Jacke did 10 years ago...we would have been 10-6 last year. And I didnt change or embilish Warners stats at all....2 kicks and we are 10-6 ...heck 1 and we are 9-7....You do the math!
 

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Dude same joke different thread. It is a Warner thread...So i am defending him. Start a buckeye thread and you would call me Mrs Tressel. It doesnt matter. Think what you want. I cant win with you guys. You know what they say about argueing with an idiot...they bring you to their level and then beat you with experience. You win. But Warner is our starter....like it or not.....and when we go 9-7 and win our division...I cant wait to see what you guys write then. 5-2 at home and 2-3 on the road the rest of the way...very easy to do...and that is 9-7.
Wait a minute. Please don't bring the Buckeyes into your argument. They have enough problems. Besides, i don't want to lump you in there, but, in the past, i have stated that most of the Buckeye fans are obnoxious and don't live in reality when it comes to their team.
 
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You just keep making my point more and more. Just shows how bad of a stat passer rating really is. I think I would rather have Favre's 6 TD's pass then a perfect passer rating.



So he had a bad game now. Wasnt it he only had one bad half? Or are you finally taking the game as a whole instead of bits and pieces that you like the most.



I dread that day that my football team wins football games.:sarcasm:

You like to talk about people only reading bits and pieces of your posts yet you turn around and the same thing. Most everyone thinks Warner should get up to the bye week before he is benched and has been mentioned many times so far. Pot meet Kettle.

Dude the stats speak for themselves...You are the one argueing about a stat that has been used for 10 years....Hasnt changed and yet you sit at home knowing the SECRET formula...lol...read up...2 kicks and we are 10-6 last year...1 kick from 28 yds...and we are 9-7...Same Warner stats...but 2 kicks that many a FG kicker has made..and we probably are not even having this convo.
 

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Warner has played very well this season. Yes, he fell apart yesterday, but come on, he has done a great job this season. Now if he still does the same the rest of the season as he did yesterday, I will eat my words.
 

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Dude same joke different thread. It is a Warner thread...So i am defending him. Start a buckeye thread and you would call me Mrs Tressel. It doesnt matter. Think what you want. I cant win with you guys. You know what they say about argueing with an idiot...they bring you to their level and then beat you with experience. You win. But Warner is our starter....like it or not.....and when we go 9-7 and win our division...I cant wait to see what you guys write then. 5-2 at home and 2-3 on the road the rest of the way...very easy to do...and that is 9-7.

I'll say, wow...9-7. Boy, we are really great. Uhm...well, mediocre. Thank goodness Kurt was here to lead us to 9-7.

I would love to see how you would react if it were Leinart fumbling 4 times, losing 3, and tossing 3 INTs in a game. You'd probably burn this forum to the ground.

Warner IS our starter. And like it or not, he LOST that game for us on Sunday. HE did. Not the defense. Not the ST. HE was responsible, DIRECLTY for 10 points on the board. He took another who knows how many points off the board with his fumble for -17 or so that led to Q's fumble and his countless other mistakes (how bout intentional grounding pushing us back for a longer FG that was blocked?) Wow, a veteran QB lit up a prevent defense for a half of football...until we got within two scores and they brought pressure again and once AGAIN, he put the ball on the ground.

But of course, any QB in the league would fumble on every freaking sack. Because that's what they do.

You put up Romo as a guy who makes mistakes. Yep, he does.. you know what else he does? He consistently makes something out of nothing. I don't know the last time Kurt made something out of nothing. I sure know he made something out of something on Sunday, when he basically handed the ball off to Revis for six, on a play where they rushed two against him. FFS, Matt could have done that just as well, but it would have been youth and inexperience as the causation there. I'd have still been pissed, but at least I wouldn't have thought "uh, this guy won an MVP?" Good lord, that is a basic read. Come on, Brenda, this is bordering on ridiculous.

Oh yeah, IF warner leads us to your nirvana of 9-7, we will still be a 9-7 middling ass team. Yes, the defense did not show up, but they had to play spermshop sweepers to Kurt's ejection of the game of football all over the Jets field. He failed to lead us to scores when the game was close early, though we had two red zone opportunities, two times when HE screwed up and pushed us back with a fumble recovered by us and a grounding penalty. Then the wheels fell off. Sure, he got us back into it, but once we actually were in a "holy crap, there's a prayer left!!" mode, down 13 with the ball and about 4 minutes left, he quickly coughed up the ball.

Wow, THAT is what will get us to 9-7. Thanks, but I'll take the freaking draft pick if that is all we are going to do. Gag and struggle to a winning record.

I'm content to let Kurt hang himself against the Bills and Cowboys, but if we don't come out of this at LEAST 3-3, Matt better be suiting up and playing the remainder of the season.

The greatest gift Kurt gave on Sunday wasn't all the points to the jets...it was the fact that the Cards better not give him an extension. Dude is done for the league. If this were the first time he showed ball protection issues, I'd think differently, but it's far past habit now. It's a downright condition.
 

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His fumbles are not that high over everyone elses...even 17 pass attempts more pushes it into 2 games. ANd he doesnt lose them all either.

No, he doesn't lose them all. Sometimes our guys like Edge miraculously fall on them 17 yards back, and force us to throw long and a weird play like boldin losing the ball when he gets a helmet on the ball happens, and we lose a short FG opp. Or, he makes a dumb decision and grounds the ball turning a low 20 yard FG into a low 30 yard FG that gets blocked and completely changes the flow of a game.

But no, that's ok. Because it's KURT friggin WARNER! Again, if it were Leinart or any other scrub ass QB, you'd be up in arms...well, maybe you'd only be up in arms if Kurt friggin warner were on the bench behind them...because he could ef it up so much cleaner.
 

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the SECRET formula...lol...read up....

The SECRET formula...lol...read up....is that Warner is washed up, is turnover prone and shrinks from pressure as much or more than Neil friggin Rackers.

What a secret formula. It's the formula for mediocrity. WOOH!!! Here we go again!

Same ol' Cardinals.

And I used to be an optimist. :(
 

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You know I think I agree with CC. I'm still trying to figure out how we lost that game. I mean the defense played pretty well. If you take out the 6 TD passes they gave up, they actually only gave up 155 passing yards. And the OL played well, only giving up 5 sacks in 62 passing attempts. Thats only like 3 in a normal game. This is fun. And Edge, if you take away 6 of his carries, he averaged 5 ypc with 2 TDs. And Rackers only missed 1 FG attempt, he made all his PATs. We should have dominated the Jets.

:sarcasm:
 

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FOr what its worth - Don Banks opinion on CNNSI...

Kurt Warner's lack of ball-security prowess astounds me. If there's an NFL starting quarterback who's sloppier at taking care of the football, I don't know who it would be. Sunday was somehow a fitting example of where I think Warner's game is these days.

He can pile up some pretty, pretty statistics for you, witness Arizona hanging 35 points on the board in the second half, and Warner ending up 40 of 57 with 472 passing yards. But in the first half, Warner was picked off twice, and fumbled three times, losing two of them. Those four turnovers had more to do with the Jets leading 34-0 at the break than anything New York did.

More than ever, I say the longer the Cardinals continue to play the prolific but mistake-prone Warner over Matt Leinart, the greater chance Arizona is going to wind up stunting the development of its 2006 first-round pick.
 

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FOr what its worth - Don Banks opinion on CNNSI...

Kurt Warner's lack of ball-security prowess astounds me. If there's an NFL starting quarterback who's sloppier at taking care of the football, I don't know who it would be. Sunday was somehow a fitting example of where I think Warner's game is these days.

He can pile up some pretty, pretty statistics for you, witness Arizona hanging 35 points on the board in the second half, and Warner ending up 40 of 57 with 472 passing yards. But in the first half, Warner was picked off twice, and fumbled three times, losing two of them. Those four turnovers had more to do with the Jets leading 34-0 at the break than anything New York did.

More than ever, I say the longer the Cardinals continue to play the prolific but mistake-prone Warner over Matt Leinart, the greater chance Arizona is going to wind up stunting the development of its 2006 first-round pick.

Let me just get this over with for CC. Helping him out here.

Don Banks is and Idiot Warner Hater who is in love with Matt. Jeez just look at the passer ratings it says the whole picture. It is the end all stat even though it doesnt include all turnovers, penalties, groundings, and other huge aspects of a QB's game. But that doesnt matter because I say so, I made this thread so I am the only one allowed to say which stats are valid and which ones are not.
 

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Gee based on this thread you probably dont know I support the Buckeyes or Like Louisville in Basketball either. It is because it is a Warner thread. So I am defending Warner....To take this idiotic abuse from some fans who think Warner sucks when obviously Whiz and the staff dont agree...and have stuck by him...doesnt make me a Cardinal fan??? I have liked the Cardinals probably longer than you have been driving.

No, that doesn't not make you a Cards fan. Mocking Cards fans' intelligence, telling them that this is why THEY are ranked number 32, while riding Warner's jock? Let's just say it sounds like you aren't a Cards fan, but wholly a Warner fan.
 

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No, that doesn't not make you a Cards fan. Mocking Cards fans' intelligence, telling them that this is why THEY are ranked number 32, while riding Warner's jock? Let's just say it sounds like you aren't a Cards fan, but wholly a Warner fan.

Or the fact that 99% of his posts only deal with Warner only. You would think a Card fan would want to talk about more then just Warner.
 

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I was trying to avoid these arguements and missed Cards Campos repeated insults. For that I apologize. Hopefully when he comes back, he will have learned some decorum first.
 

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For the record, I agree with many of his assertations. Many players no showed this game and the defense was atrocious. The offensive play calling has been overly conservative in both road game first halves.

I only bench Warner if we lose our next two and he continues to be so sub-par. If Warner can win against Buffalo or Dallas, then I say let him keep playing.
 

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The offensive play calling has been overly conservative in both road game first halves.
Chris,

I agree on the Redskins game but we only got stopped once in the first half this last week...other than the turnovers.

1st Series - We drive to the 9 with a run/pass mix. Pass INC to Fitz. Warner attempts to pass, fumble to 32. Pass to Boldin, fumble.

2nd Series - 2 runs leave us 3rd and 2. Pass INC. Penalty for Intentional Grounding. Blocked FG.

3rd Series - 2 runs leave us 3rd and 8. Warner throws the pick 6.

4th Series - We drive to the 49. 1 run, 2 INC passes. Punt.

5th Series - Interception on first play.

6th Series - 2 passes. Fumble on 3rd pass attempt.

7th Series - Fumble on first play. A pass attempt.

The way it looks to me is that we were put in a passing down once because of running the ball. We punted once after throwing twice. I'm all for throwing the ball but we do need to run it. We threw it 60 % of the time in the first half. That doesn't look overly conservative IMO.
 

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Warner has played very well this season. Yes, he fell apart yesterday, but come on, he has done a great job this season. Now if he still does the same the rest of the season as he did yesterday, I will eat my words.

There it is! A voice of reason when it comes to supporting Warner. Nice.

The first three weeks of Warner were a pleasant surprise. Week four scares the crap out of me.
 

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Kurt had a big hand in this loss but it shouldn't be lost that his QB Rating is still 100.8.

Thank God they don't figure in the fumbles.
 

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Warner:

Week 1: OK (C)
Week 2: Perfection Itself (A)
Week 3: OK (C)
Week 4: Ineptitude Itself (F)

the guy has a C average. One more bad game it should be curtains. As others have said, if Leinart lost the job because of 1 bad half in a preseason game, why should Warner get to cost the team actual games and get away with it?
 

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Warner:

Week 1: OK (C)
Week 2: Perfection Itself (A)
Week 3: OK (C)
Week 4: Ineptitude Itself (F)

the guy has a C average. One more bad game it should be curtains. As others have said, if Leinart lost the job because of 1 bad half in a preseason game, why should Warner get to cost the team actual games and get away with it?
Gambit, you a big Ryan Fitzpatrick fan these days? Is there no one better they could have played?

That game set football back ten years.
 

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Gambit, you a big Ryan Fitzpatrick fan these days? Is there no one better they could have played?

That game set football back ten years.

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That was wretched beyond words. I can't believe that actually counted as an NFL game. Yeesh.

Fitty Fantastic was bad, but he was just a symptom of the disease. If Carson can't play this week, the Cowboys may win 77-0. Really. They are mad and the Bengals are there as a self-esteem booster.

Fitty will start with a short leash, because even though he played horribly he didn't have much of a chance. Jordan Palmer is the next option, and while he looks just like Carson he is no Carson.

I was watching the game at a sports bar, with the Bengals game on one TV to my left, and the Cards game to the right. When it was all over, I had both a sore neck and a sickness wrought by the 2 extremes of football; No Offense in the Case of the Battle of Ohio; no Defense in the case of Cards at the Jest.

PS I hope, really and truly, that this is Marvin's last year. He's wasted so much talent it's sickening. The guy has no clue what he's doing.
 

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Since you insulted me first...Moron...I dont give a damn what you think. Warner got the starting job, Has the starting job and all by who. A man who has more football knowledge than you. So I will take his word on it. You guys dont like him fine. But you dont know football....Warner Proved it last year.

This is why children shouldn't be able to play with the internet..
 
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