It Was a Great Run

[coloradosun]

Hey Elindholm; go back to this thread BARRY INTERESTED IN SUNS

http://arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=32215&highlight=Barry+Interested+Suns

I believe you are the 4th post in this thread

 

[devilalum]

I have sounded off before about the Suns trading the #7 pick and signing Q. In the long term I believe Iggy will be a better player and he's already one of the best defenders in the league. I also believe the Suns would have benefited from having him in the postseason due to his D and the fact that Q stunk.

That being said there is no way the Suns would have won 60 games this year with Iggy instead of Q. They would have been lucky to win 50.

Would the outcome have been different with JJ and Iggy guarding Parker and Mr. Floppy?

 

[coloradosun]

What did 60 wins really do for us, how many home playoff games did we lose. 50 or more games would have gotten us into the postseason. Barry and Iggy would have done more than Q.

 

[elindholm]

Hey Elindholm; go back to this thread BARRY INTERESTED IN SUNS

I'd forgotten about the thread. But in this current discussion, I never said Barry wasn't a good player; my thoughts on him haven't changed. At the time of that thread, I didn't realize that the Suns were so committed to small ball -- I'm sure you can find lots of posts where I insisted that Marion could not possibly be their PF. So obviously I was not on the same page as Suns management.

In spite of that report, I doubt that Barry was ever seriously interested in the Suns. People make things up all the time. How many times did we hear that Dennis Rodman might be joining the team? Several that I can recall.

Anyway, since you've done the research, I'll concede the point. Maybe they should have gone after Barry this summer. As far as the draft pick trade and getting Richardson is concerned, I was never thrilled about either of those, so you'll get no argument from me there. My hunch is that, in spite of management's revisionist history, the real reason they dumped the draft pick was to go after Bryant.

 

[coloradosun]

They may have dumped the draft pick to give the impression they were going after Bryant, when they knew a more likely signing was Nash. It definitely threw Cuban off guard.

I don't think they really envisioned small ball at that time either. Richardson was a risk and there were no guarantees that he ever would become a Sun. I do think the concept evolved after Q came on board. He was the best FA available and an backup plan if JJ did not develop.

 

[PetryJr]

Hey Elindholm; go back to this thread BARRY INTERESTED IN SUNS

http://arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=32215&highlight=Barry+Interested+Suns

I believe you are the 4th post in this thread

The thread actually reads "Suns interested in Barry", not the other way around.

Anyway, I agree with Eric when he says Barry wouldn't want to sign with Phoenix at that point. You may not remember, but the Sonics offered him a contract, and he took less money to play for a championship contender. At the time, the Suns were regarded only as a playoff team, if that.

 

[Chaplin]

What did 60 wins really do for us, how many home playoff games did we lose. 50 or more games would have gotten us into the postseason. Barry and Iggy would have done more than Q.

Again, you don't know that. Igoudala would never have gotten the kind of playing time with us that he got with Philly. And we play a different style than Philly as well. I think Igoudala probably could have played well in our system, but there is no way of knowing whether Igoudala's breakout play this year was a result of Philly's system or not.

Right now, your hatred of Q is quite annoying.

 

[devilalum]

What did 60 wins really do for us, how many home playoff games did we lose. 50 or more games would have gotten us into the postseason. Barry and Iggy would have done more than Q.

I pretty much agree with you even without Barry but I don't know what good it does to keep bringing it up. I've brought it up on numerous occasions. The thing that makes me angry is that we had to trade down from #7 to #21.

If the Suns get a real steal with the #21 this time next year we'll all be saying,

"Isn't it awesome how we got Q and THE STEAL for the #7 pick."

Right now I would much rather have Iggy than Q but thinking about it just makes me mad.

 

[devilalum]

Again, you don't know that. Igoudala would never have gotten the kind of playing time with us that he got with Philly. And we play a different style than Philly as well. I think Igoudala probably could have played well in our system, but there is no way of knowing whether Igoudala's breakout play this year was a result of Philly's system or not.

Right now, your hatred of Q is quite annoying.

If we didn't get Q we would have had to play Iggy a good number of minutes rain or shine. WHo else did we have CJAke?

 

[Chaplin]

If we didn't get Q we would have had to play Iggy a good number of minutes rain or shine. WHo else did we have CJAke?

Considering you guys hate Q because he became a 3-point shooter (and inconsistent at that), how does having Igoudala change anything? The Sixers have nobody that matches our top 4 outside of Iverson, so again, it's a different SYSTEM, which you are ignoring. Igoudala has a lot of freedom in Philly's system. If Q had that kind of freedom in our system, we wouldn't even be talking about this.

 

[devilalum]

Considering you guys hate Q because he became a 3-point shooter (and inconsistent at that), how does having Igoudala change anything? The Sixers have nobody that matches our top 4 outside of Iverson, so again, it's a different SYSTEM, which you are ignoring. Igoudala has a lot of freedom in Philly's system. If Q had that kind of freedom in our system, we wouldn't even be talking about this.

I don't hate Q at all. He is a hard worker, he gets key rebounds and he was a good team role player, doing what was asked of him in the system.

I just think Iggy will be a better player and believe that he would have given the Suns more in the post season especially against the Spurs.

 

[Chaplin]

I don't hate Q at all. He is a hard worker, he gets key rebounds and he was a good team role player, doing what was asked of him in the system.

I just think Iggy will be a better player and believe that he would have given the Suns more in the post season especially against the Spurs.

Well I believe that neither one has reached their full potential, so it's premature to say that Igoudala will or will not be a better player.

 

[devilalum]

Another thing to consider is that the SUns did not trade their pick so they could sign Q.

The Suns traded their pick because they thought Iggy would be gone when they picked at #7. BC admitted this and also confirmed just after the draft that the SUns would have kept the pick had they known Iggy would still be there.

Q was pursued after all this happened to add depth.

 

[Chaplin]

Another thing to consider is that the SUns did not trade their pick so they could sign Q.

The Suns traded their pick because they thought Iggy would be gone when they picked at #7. BC admitted this and also confirmed just after the draft that the SUns would have kept the pick had they known Iggy would still be there.

Q was pursued after all this happened to add depth.

Another question was whether or not Q would still have been added even with the pick of Igoudala. Rookie contracts aren't THAT big.

Having both would have been pretty nice, I WILL concede that!

 

[devilalum]

Another question was whether or not Q would still have been added even with the pick of Igoudala. Rookie contracts aren't THAT big.

Having both would have been pretty nice, I WILL concede that!

People have written on this board that the Suns wouldn't have been able to offer Q enough had they drafted Iguodala but they might have been able to get creative, maybe trade CJake for a second rounder to clear some money to offer Q.

The truth is that the player the Suns get at #21 this year will never even come close to being as good as Iggy or Deng.

At the time it seemed OK, who knew that the Bulls would be so good?

 

[Chaplin]

The truth is that the player the Suns get at #21 this year will never even come close to being as good as Iggy or Deng.

Wow, that is total speculation. The odds aren't great, I'll give you that, but I never discount anything with this scouting group.

 

[phillycard]

Congrats gang on an awesome season. I still want the salmon Stoudemire jersey!

 

[Joe Mama]

Another thing to consider is that the SUns did not trade their pick so they could sign Q.

The Suns traded their pick because they thought Iggy would be gone when they picked at #7. BC admitted this and also confirmed just after the draft that the SUns would have kept the pick had they known Iggy would still be there.

Q was pursued after all this happened to add depth.

That's right. If the Phoenix Suns had known that Iguodala or possibly even Deng was going to be available they would not have traded that pick. They admitted as much after the draft. Iguodala would have seen plenty of time in the Phoenix Suns lineup, and I think the team would have been nearly as good in the regular season and better in the playoffs. Iguodala would be the Phoenix Suns best perimeter defender. He's as good or better than Q in almost every part of the game.

As far as Q goes I've got to believe that some team out there would have taken Cabarkapa or CJ for a future second-round draft pick. Who knows?

Brent Barry wasn't going to sign with the Phoenix Suns. Please accept this and move on.

Joe Mama

 

[Cheesebeef]

Brent Barry wasn't going to sign with the Phoenix Suns. Please accept this and move on.

Joe Mama

seriously - and even if he did - you think our Defense was bad as it was - can you imagine a backcourt of Nash and Barry? Oye!

At least Q picke dup some big charges along the way. Again - colorado - you've raile don Q because of his VERY poor play in the playoffs - did you do the same when JJ was awful against the Spurs his first year as well? THis was Q's first taste - he plays like this again next post-season - I'll help you string up the rope but until then get off his jock - especially if you're gonna be craping for Brent Barry.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

The thread actually reads "Suns interested in Barry", not the other way around.

Anyway, I agree with Eric when he says Barry wouldn't want to sign with Phoenix at that point. You may not remember, but the Sonics offered him a contract, and he took less money to play for a championship contender. At the time, the Suns were regarded only as a playoff team, if that.

Exactly. Colorado - you are also missing something funny about the report. First off, it is from a message board - not a paper source. Secondly, they don't even list the Spurs as a team that MIGHT be interested in him.....


I would never argue that the Suns didn't have interest in Barry, because quite frankly I bet they did. However, I still don't see where there is anything about Barry having interest in the Suns. I stick to my first post in this thread about how he was looking for a ring - and the Suns were not supposed to be in the playoffs.

 

[coloradosun]

Right now, your hatred of Q is quite annoying.

For some reason both you and cheesebeef like to overstate my position. I don't hate Q, I just don't like his style of play and I have different perception of his character than you guys.

He did more than I expected this season, but if he is our 3pt specialist (most 3pt attempts, 226 for 631 and met his career avg of 35%) there are other guys out there who can shoot a better percentage. Someone who could shoot 44% would have taken 100 less attempts and made the same amount.