It's almost time for Leinart & Hightower

[dscher]

This game is on the DEFENSE they stopped no one all day long! Did they even get a sack? Farve had all damn day to throw that is a problem and AW being out didn't help the D that never showed up today!!!

So, our inept offense and fumbles by Warner had nothing to do with it? I get what you're saying, and I agree about the defense. They did suck all game. But, the O didnt put them in good position at all the first half. They were playing with a short field all game and you cant do that to your defense and expect to win. The fact that we made it a game in the second half, doesnt defeat the fact that Warner and the O sucked the life out the team the first half.

 

[nashman]

Cheese Warner had a terrible first half, but he came back and played well if the damn D does its job and the Oline could give him a little bit of time we still could have won being down 34-0 that in itself is fairly impressive. In the past or if Leinart were starting the 2nd half do you not think we lose this game 48-7 probally.

 

[Shane]

this game was on EVERYONE. Warner had 5 turnovers... IN THE FIRST HALF. The game was over at that point. I don't care what anyone did in the second when the Jets played prevent for 1.75 quarters until the D finally got a stop, only to see Warner turn it over again.

no one's blameless in this crap-fest of a game.

Yea Warner pretty much shoulders the blame. He dug this hole for us. Not just TO's but TO's in the redzone and the pick 6. He dug that hole almost all by himself.

 

[nashman]

Sorry no way in hell did Warner and the O suck the life out of the team! The freakin Defense could have stopped someone ALL DAY but they didn't I mean what did they have one 3 and out all game long? Ridiculous the D allowed 27 points in the 2nd QUARTER (not counting the pick 6) thats unacceptable for an NFL defense.

 

[nashman]

Warner shares the blame without question but to put it all on him, no way!

 

[dscher]

Sorry no way in hell did Warner and the O suck the life out of the team! The freakin Defense could have stopped someone ALL DAY but they didn't I mean what did they have one 3 and out all game long? Ridiculous the D allowed 27 points in the 2nd QUARTER (not counting the pick 6) thats unacceptable for an NFL defense.

Dude.. What game were you watching? One stat... 20 points in the 2nd Q off of turnovers. And it was all with a short field to work with.. That is on Warner, my man..

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cheese Warner had a terrible first half, but he came back and played well if the damn D does its job and the Oline could give him a little bit of time we still could have won being down 34-0 that in itself is fairly impressive.

it's funny, Ouchie texted me the EXACT same thing you wrote above and just as I was texting him back that it wouldn't matter because once the game has any level of pressure Warner would just go back to turning it over because that's his MO, the D got a stop to get us within 13 with four minutes left and what happened? The game actually became a game again, the pressure was on, and on the very first play Warner put the ball on the ground AGAIN.

It just doesn't matter.

Here's the thing - we've got very little shot at being good with Warner in there in the present and he's not part of the future. Play Matt and figure out if he is the future so we don't have to waste next season as well trying to figure out if we have a QB or not.

 

[nashman]

Oh I am sorry dscheer you mean our defense shouldn't have to try and stop someone from scoring? Wow you should be a coach. Come on man turnovers happen that don't mean you just not play D and freaking let the other team score anytime the ball is truned over! The pick for a TD you can't stop everything else you have a chance and other teams freaking do it all the time, hold them to a FG or crazy thought cause a turnoever yourself! You act as though Warner handed them 20 pts, the D had a chance and what did they do....surrender 27 points in one QTR!!!!

 

[dscher]

Here's the thing - we've got very little shot at being good with Warner in there in the present and he's not part of the future. Play Matt and figure out if he is the future so we don't have to waste next season as well trying to figure out if we have a QB or not.

I have to unfortunately agree.. I dont want the whole doom and gloom to start up. Well, it already has, but this team needs to do what the Giants did to him and bench him for the best long term interests of the football team moving forward.

 

[Russ Smith]

Cheese Warner had a terrible first half, but he came back and played well if the damn D does its job and the Oline could give him a little bit of time we still could have won being down 34-0 that in itself is fairly impressive. In the past or if Leinart were starting the 2nd half do you not think we lose this game 48-7 probally.

I don't think we would have won I think the Jets would have gone after Warner and he'd have fumbled or thrown another pick. Everytime we got in it today either Kurt turned it over, or the D folded. I see no reason to believe Kurt wouldn't have turned it over had the D held.

 

[Goober Man]

So tell me nashman...How is Warner having 7 turnovers this game doesn't hurt the team? It sure isn't helping it.

4 Freaking fumbles by him. Yeah that sure helps our defense!

I'm not saying Warner should be the total reason why we lost the game but he sure was a big part of it.

 

[cardsloco]

Dude.. What game were you watching? One stat... 20 points in the 2nd Q off of turnovers. And it was all with a short field to work with.. That is on Warner, my man..

You realize the first turnover was by Boldin right? While I agree Warner was mostly to blame today, we had a perfect storm of suckiness happening all at once.

 

[dscher]

Oh I am sorry dscheer you mean our defense shouldn't have to try and stop someone from scoring? Wow you should be a coach. Come on man turnovers happen that don't mean you just not play D and freaking let the other team score anytime the ball is truned over! The pick for a TD you can't stop everything else you have a chance and other teams freaking do it all the time, hold them to a FG or crazy thought cause a turnoever yourself! You act as though Warner handed them 20 pts, the D had a chance and what did they do....surrender 27 points in one QTR!!!!

Field position bro.. They were working on a short field, basically red zone, all quarter. I could see if they put together a 16 play drive that ate up 80-90 yards and took 8 min off the clock, then we could pin it on them, but that didnt happen. They really didnt get much going when they actually had to work the ball downfield. But, just to stop all this, I get ya and I agree, but we will have to agree to disagree on this one. You think it is more on the D, and I think it is more on Warner and the O.

 

[D-Dogg]

3 INT, 3 FL.

That doesn't count other fumbles, either, including the one that put us way deep that edge recovered which and led to Boldin's fumble. Or the intentional grounding that pushed us back 10 more yards for Rackers' blocked fg attempt.

Warner was terrible today. The guy we've all been scared would surface.

I don't care what he did in the second half...he put us in the position we were in. In the second half, the Jets stopped coming at him as hard, too...dropping back in coverage. Once we got it within any measure of "oh no, we might be close here" and a chance was there to cut it to a one score game, Kurt fumbled AGAIN. Unbelievable.

We can ride or die with Kurt, but we will die.

 

[dscher]

We can ride or die with Kurt, but we will die.

I was saying the same thing last week in regards to Kurt. For all the good he does, he just wipes it away with all the bad. Which equals a, now, very average QB. And I think the issue with him is his inability to scramble out of the pocket, and that is one thing that will never change and will ultimately completely doom us for the season. Even if it might seem to be doomed already. He will sit back there for the rest of the season and not move and it WILL be back breaking to a team that is gonna at least try and fight for the playoffs. But in all reality, the day that this guy lost his ability to move more than two or three steps from the same spot in the pocket was the day that he lost that ability to be consistent.

 

[Southpaw]

The offensive line sucks, still. He was getting pounded the whole game. When he had time he was money. I am not going to believe Matt would perform as well under the same circumstances. Nothing to indicate he would.

 

[PACardsFan]

it's funny, Ouchie texted me the EXACT same thing you wrote above and just as I was texting him back that it wouldn't matter because once the game has any level of pressure Warner would just go back to turning it over because that's his MO, the D got a stop to get us within 13 with four minutes left and what happened? The game actually became a game again, the pressure was on, and on the very first play Warner put the ball on the ground AGAIN.

It just doesn't matter.

Here's the thing - we've got very little shot at being good with Warner in there in the present and he's not part of the future. Play Matt and figure out if he is the future so we don't have to waste next season as well trying to figure out if we have a QB or not.

My sentiments exactly! We pretty much know what we have with Warner. I was OK with Warner getting the starting nod early on, because he was riding a hot arm & I figured we had a better shot at getting a quick W or two early in the season. We got the quick W's & now Warner has reverted back to the type of QB that is detrimental to this football team. Play Leinart NOW!! I personally believe that Matt will do just fine, but we REALLY DO NEED to know what he have with Matt.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The offensive line sucks, still. He was getting pounded the whole game. When he had time he was money. I am not going to believe Matt would perform as well under the same circumstances. Nothing to indicate he would.

when the Jets played prevent D, he was money. When the game mattered, whether he did or didn't have time didn't natter at all. He stunk out loud. On a two man rush with all the time in the world, he threw a pick 6. That was sad.

Could Matt have gotten us a bunch of garbage points? No. But who cares.

The present is 8-8 at best with Kurt and there ain't no future with him. He's become the QB equivalent of Emmitt Smith to me. I hated that he was playing, not because he was awful... he was average, but his old ass on the field making little difference Ws and LS-wise meant we weren't giving time to a young guy to develop who could help us in the future. He was a waste of time, just as Kurt is.

 

[Cheesebeef]

oh, and let me just say this... I really don't expect Matt to be good if he plays so don't start that argument with me. I just think the team needs to definitively know where it's going next year with it's most important position. Hell, I'd even give Kurt two more weeks to prove me wrong but if the turnovers continue, there's no better time to make the switch than the bye week.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Cheese, you speak for me on this issue. Get Matt ready in practice and get him in there. If he ain't the man, well at least we know and can get a new QB.

I'm not sure the present coaching staff has the stomach for it, nor am I sure they will make this difficult decision as they are the same guys who showed us how they get a team ready for an important road game.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cheese, you speak for me on this issue. Get Matt ready in practice and get him in there. If he ain't the man, well at least we know and can get a new QB.

I'm not sure the present coaching staff has the stomach for it, nor am I sure they will make this difficult decision as they are the same guys who showed us how they get a team ready for an important road game.

like I said, I don't expect this decision to come soon. I think the coaches will let Kurt hang himself in the next couple games and they'll have more than enough ammo to fend off any attack that Warner should be in there. Matt forced their hand in pre-season and they made the tough choice there. I don't think they'll be afraid to make the tough choice again.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Bring In Leinart!!!

KW is not the answer for this team, or any NFL team. He is an average QB at best who is terribly inconsistant. He is not reliable and this team needs to find out in a hurry who exactly ML is now. Having KW run this offense the rest of the year is like having George Bush run the economy, sure the plan sounds great, looks even better on paper, and you might even get a stimulus package or two but in the end you are left with a huge freaking mess that will take years to clean up.

 

[Gambit]

Except for 1 game (week 2), Warner has ranged from adequate to abysmal. Sure, he got 472 yards, but was wretched doing it. Thanks Warner, you did your best and left nothing on the field, but your time is past.

 

[nashman]

First off I never said Warner wasn't at fault some just choose to read it that way. I even said multiple times Warner played like crap in the first half, but surprise the whole damn team played like crap in the first half especially the DEFENSE. I am sorry I don't give a rats ass where they turn the ball over, the fact is we were not turning it over in their endzone which means?? Yeah our D sucks ass and couldn't stop them which is why I knew in the 2nd half as well as many others that we would just give up points if we got close anyway. I would agree with CHeese if Warner plays bad in the next 2 I say screw it season is over anyway if we go to 2-4, start Leinart and let him show us what he has got for the rest of the season.

 

[earthsci]

The offensive line sucks, still. He was getting pounded the whole game. When he had time he was money.

That isn't true. Yes he was pressured but a couple of those fumbles he had 3 to 4 seconds in the pocket. Not exactly getting ambushed. He wasn't money when there were two guys rushing and he threw the pick six.