It's the coaching

[mrbyte]

I don't know, though...I'm starting to wonder about all the problems that we've managed to play through, that had we taken care of them might have made us great instead of good. Are we sticking with Grimm just to be loyal? Our OL play has been and definitely still is sub-par. We still haven't learned to tackle. Our defense still lays off when it gets a lead. I could go on, but damn it, I WANT to stay positive. The problem is, when a coach either waits this long to make a change so close to the season, or decides to play stupid head games (we're not quite sure which yet), it makes you start to look back over the little things. And maybe they haven't been as little as we thought.

This is my thought exactly, I think great coaches don't create this kind of aggrivation especially after the off season we have had. Surely the team needs some stability right now.
I don't know anymore this leaves a bad taste in my mouth

 

[Duckjake]

I agree Shane, but I for one am going to let the season unfold until I throw Whis under the bus. The one thing he has been able to do is find ways to motivated his players to respond to what he wants. I have not been happy with what I have seen so far this preseason but that is all it is, preseason. Whis get a bye from me.

Let's not forget CKW's play calling skills. They didn't run much Monday night but I did notice that the Cards did run a couple of really great blitz busting plays in the third quarter which temporarily put a stop to the Titans bringing a 5th rusher off the edge on every snap.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Oh its time to revisit the past folks. Time to pay the piper.

 

[D-Dogg]

100% on coaching.

There isn't even a question. I have seen EVERY player on this team succeed in some level or another, many at the NFL level. As a unit, they suck. They are disjointed, uncommunicative and bad. Piss effing poor bad.

That's coaching. That is NOT the system not working. That is NOT a failure to execute. That is a systematic disregarding of coaching that is there, and a symptom of a lack of quality coaching to start with.

Baby, bathwater, coaches, GM, wash them all out Mike Bidwill. Now. I want to have the Cardinals play in the Super Bowl HERE in AZ. Make it happen. It won't with this coaching staff.

Pittsburgh West is done...we saw it today - they were in the stands, taking over the UoP.

 

[PitchShifter]

I'm so torn on this.

There does seem to be players not working as a unit, and a failure to fix ongoing issues, which look to me like coaching issues.

And then Kolb misses a wide open Housler down the seam in his best DA impersonation...

 

[conraddobler]

It dosen't matter what any of us think about the coaching staff good or bad, it dosen't matter how good or bad it actually is.

When the players cease to buy into it, it's over.

It's over, JMO.

Can that be turned around?

Sure it can, but only by the players deciding to do it, and usually they don't come back to a coach once they do this to one, there have been exceptions, I know Marty lost the Washington team and then got them back winning 8 straight games only to be fired anyway after going like 0-8, if the owner had more than a pea brain they could of seen that was the worst time to fire the guy.

 

[Red Dawn]

There's a poll on the official board, "Would you let Whiz coach your son's pop warner team?" lmao

http://forums.azcardinals.com/showthread.php?t=58477

 

[FJM]

Is it time to say I told you so.
I would like to hear from the flame throwers from yesteryear.

 

[THESMEL]

I told you all before time, i didn't want to be right, but i am.

You take out Matt Leinart and Plug in Kevin Kolb, It is still the same problems with a worse QB. Just is.

The next right move is tio replace Graves with a strong supervisor! not replace Whiz. The new GM will make the the tough decisions,

Mike Miller and Chris Miller are not close to being qualified , Horton has years before he peaks at DC, Whiz made bad decisions
AND IT IS GRAVES FAULT AS GENERAL MANAGER!

 

[PitchShifter]

Jaws was calling a spade a spade on Burns and Gambo.

"I like [offensive line coach] Russ Grimm. I like Ken Whisenhunt, I like these guys, but when I plug this tape in and see some of these schemes--a four-man rush and Lawrence Timmons is running free at the quarterback, something is wrong," Jaworski said. "Either there's something wrong with how this offense is designed or there's something wrong with their protections, or they have dumb players."

http://arizonasports.com/category/cardinals-articles/20111027/Jaworski-on-Cardinals:-%27It%27s-either-poor-coaching-or-dumb-players%27/

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Jaws was calling a spade a spade on Burns and Gambo.



http://arizonasports.com/category/c...-'It's-either-poor-coaching-or-dumb-players'/

I think most of it is missed assignments. On the play with Timmons, the players on the bench were clearly consoling Hadnot so I assumed that was his responsibility.
Of course, I still go back to Grimm's strategy of blocking the man in front of you. I know their system can't be that simplistic but there sure are a bunch of guys that seem to come free against the Cards. They are not good at making adjustments.

 

[cardpa]

Jaws was calling a spade a spade on Burns and Gambo.



http://arizonasports.com/category/cardinals-articles/20111027/Jaworski-on-Cardinals:-%27It%27s-either-poor-coaching-or-dumb-players%27/

Talk about hitting the nail on the head. Jaws is absolutely correct, it has to be one or the other and when you get right down to it it becomes only one. The coaches are the ones who selected these players so if the players are dumb they are picking a lot of dumb players which still puts it on the coaches.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think most of it is missed assignments. On the play with Timmons, the players on the bench were clearly consoling Hadnot so I assumed that was his responsibility.
Of course, I still go back to Grimm's strategy of blocking the man in front of you. I know their system can't be that simplistic but there sure are a bunch of guys that seem to come free against the Cards. They are not good at making adjustments.

Why is it Hadnot's responsibility to block the edge rusher? What does Keith do in this scenario?

This team is just stupid.

 

[oaken1]

Why is it Hadnot's responsibility to block the edge rusher? What does Keith do in this scenario?

This team is just stupid.

Likely they are trying to stunt the o-line....when the outside rusher is setting up wide,...the tackle then crushes down on the guards man while the guard kicks out and pulls to the outside to pick up the wide rusher...guards have to be quick and take good angles though. would be easier to just bring a man in motion and set him in front of the wide rusher.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Likely they are trying to stunt the o-line....when the outside rusher is setting up wide,...the tackle then crushes down on the guards man while the guard kicks out and pulls to the outside to pick up the wide rusher...guards have to be quick and take good angles though. would be easier to just bring a man in motion and set him in front of the wide rusher.

Stunting the offensive line is absurd. Good tackles have a hard time with pass rushers, let alone the time it takes for linemen to stunt on a guy that already had 2 sacks.

Ugh.

 

[oaken1]

Stunting the offensive line is absurd. Good tackles have a hard time with pass rushers, let alone the time it takes for linemen to stunt on a guy that already had 2 sacks.

Ugh.

I never said it was smart...just my opinion as to what they are trying to do...there are some occasions where it works well....obviously the Cards have yet to have one of those occasions.

for me, a WR or TE chipping the wide rusher back into the OT would be the preferred choice.

 

[oaken1]

Stunting the offensive line is absurd. Good tackles have a hard time with pass rushers, let alone the time it takes for linemen to stunt on a guy that already had 2 sacks.

Ugh.

and honestly,...if you think back to the skins heyday with the hawgs it makes a bit of sense...
I have been waiting for years now to finally see the Cards run the counter trey...it was THE staple play for the hawgs and beanie could run it well.