I've Seen Some Dirty Stuff In My Day But This Takes The Cake

[82CardsGrad]

The Fat Man ordered the Code Red. No doubt about it... Alosi and his wall-gang are playing the part of Louden Downey and Harold Dawson... They executed orders. They carried out the Code Red. Goodell is Daniel Kaffee - and yes, he Can't Handle the Truth!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Exactly. If everyone is standing where they were allowed, no problem. The coach went beyond that. The coach cheated.

It should be akin to having 12 men on the field and flagged a penalty for that...... Even an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. To be suspended indefinitely when players are allowed to throw haymakers at other players and only receive a fine is mindboggling.

 

[crisper57]

It should be akin to having 12 men on the field and flagged a penalty for that...... Even an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. To be suspended indefinitely when players are allowed to throw haymakers at other players and only receive a fine is mindboggling.

Maybe there is a perception that when players do this kind of stuff, they are caught up in the emotion of the moment. But when coaches do it, it must be premeditated or calculated, hence the bigger punishment. I don't know, just speculating.

 

[earthsci]

It should be akin to having 12 men on the field and flagged a penalty for that...... Even an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. To be suspended indefinitely when players are allowed to throw haymakers at other players and only receive a fine is mindboggling.

First of all, they aren't akin to each other. One is making a mistake which almost always gets caught so there is no motivation to do it. The other is CHEATING. CHEATING, not a mistake. My main point is that you implied that there was nothing wrong with it.

I don't see anything wrong with that either.

...when you were talking about the wall of players. By including the word "either" you are implying that there was nothing wrong with the knee to the leg.
Second of all, who's suspending him? His own team. They don't even have his back.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

First of all, they aren't akin to each other. One is making a mistake which almost always gets caught so there is no motivation to do it. The other is CHEATING. CHEATING, not a mistake.

You have your opinion, I have mine.

My main point is that you implied that there was nothing wrong with it....when you were talking about the wall of players. By including the word "either" you are implying that there was nothing wrong with the knee to the leg.
Second of all, who's suspending him? His own team. They don't even have his back.

The league and then his team. Neither one should have suspended him IMO.

 

[Mainstreet]

In regards to the thread theme, does anyone remember Woody Hayes of Ohio State punching a Clemson player in a game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEVJyf0ft3I

 

[earthsci]

You have your opinion, I have mine.

So I've got this straight, you think that players and coaches participating in the play isn't cheating and should at the most be a 15 yd penalty...as opposed to nothing wrong.

The league and then his team. Neither one should have suspended him IMO.

My understanding was that the Jets suspended him after consulting with the NFL.

The Jets, who decided on the punishment after consulting with the NFL office, considered termination.

I'm not saying that he should be suspended for x amount of games. There was something wrong with what he did.

 

[carrrnuttt]

Very premeditated, in my mind.

1. Push edge players out of bounds
2. Form "wall" just ahead of the "pushing area," so that the pushed-out-of-bounds player either
   • Has to take a sharper angle going back into the field, slowing him considerably, or
   • Has to run behind the wall, taking him out of the play completely
3. The coach EXPECTED someone to come flying by in his general area, meaning that the "push-out" had to have been known beforehand

Never saw the whole game, just clips of the incident, but how much do you want to bet that the returner was supposed to run in the general area the "wall" was at?

For those mitigating what this coach did, how far would you take this? A "misplaced" cooler, perhaps, just at shin-level of a player that's pushed out? Also, have you EVER been kneed in the thigh [which is what happened in this case--not "just a trip"], much less while running full-tilt? You should try it sometime.

 

[Mulli]

The guy is wearing pads right? And the knee barely grazed the foot/leg. He appeared to have just been knocked off balance. No big deal and not a big impact for an nfl player.

 

[carrrnuttt]

The guy is wearing pads right? And the knee barely grazed the foot/leg. He appeared to have just been knocked off balance. No big deal and not a big impact for an nfl player.

Then I'll play Devil's Advocate on behalf of the downed player (this is assuming that everything was as "peachy" as some of you are implying):

• Someone from the sidelines just made a play on me
• I am going to MAKE SURE someone notices

I can't believe some of you have the gall to advocate for the Jets sideline, yet have the temerity to accuse the downed player for "taking it too far" with his "acting."

 

[Southpaw]

If this guy is running, unabated, out of bounds, and an opposing on the field ST's player pops him, what then? Does he get an unfair advantage?

 

[Mulli]

Then I'll play Devil's Advocate on behalf of the downed player (this is assuming that everything was as "peachy" as some of you are implying):

• Someone from the sidelines just made a play on me
• I am going to MAKE SURE someone notices

I can't believe some of you have the gall to advocate for the Jets sideline, yet have the temerity to accuse the downed player for "taking it too far" with his "acting."

are you going to challenge me to a duel for showing so much gall?

I would not put taking a dive past the scurvy scoundrel...

 

[carrrnuttt]

If this guy is running, unabated, out of bounds, and an opposing on the field ST's player pops him, what then? Does he get an unfair advantage?

Paying attention is not one of your strong suits, is it?

The player was PUSHED out of bounds, and for him to have the immediate entry into the field of play you're asking for, he'd have to take a sharp angle that will convert his speed forward into speed sideways. He WAS trying to get back into the field of play, he was just attempting to take an angle that didn't completely mitigate his speed forward towards the ball. This is what makes the "wall" even more sinister (or smart, depending on your view).

 

[Southpaw]

Paying attention is not one of your strong suits, is it?

Aren't you special?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

So I've got this straight, you think that players and coaches participating in the play isn't cheating and should at the most be a 15 yd penalty...as opposed to nothing wrong.

My understanding was that the Jets suspended him after consulting with the NFL.

The Jets, who decided on the punishment after consulting with the NFL office, considered termination.

I'm not saying that he should be suspended for x amount of games. There was something wrong with what he did.

It happens all the time. Try watching gunners go out of bounds some time. Maybe there isn't a trip, but a push, a hold, etc. They actually created a rule because gunners would run out of bounds to avoid the press coverage and run out of bounds for 20-30 yards or more.

I just don't think what he did is worth an indefinite suspension (or a suspension at all) when compared to seeing people throwing punches as if they were in a boxing ring while only having to pay fines.

 

[earthsci]

It happens all the time. Try watching gunners go out of bounds some time. Maybe there isn't a trip, but a push, a hold, etc. They actually created a rule because gunners would run out of bounds to avoid the press coverage and run out of bounds for 20-30 yards or more.

I just don't think what he did is worth an indefinite suspension (or a suspension at all) when compared to seeing people throwing punches as if they were in a boxing ring while only having to pay fines.

10-4. I get where you are coming from and I agree with your opinion on the suspension.

 

[Mulli]

How many games did Fat Albert get for stepping on a guy's head when the guy wasn't wearing a helmet?

 

[earthsci]

How many games did Fat Albert get for stepping on a guy's head when the guy wasn't wearing a helmet?

5 games.

 

[Mulli]

5 games.

Tis what I thought.

 

[Cardiac]

The Fat Man ordered the Code Red. No doubt about it... Alosi and his wall-gang are playing the part of Louden Downey and Harold Dawson... They executed orders. They carried out the Code Red. Goodell is Daniel Kaffee - and yes, he Can't Handle the Truth!

If Westhoff gave an order that Carrol wasn't to be tripped then why did he have Alosi form a WALL?

Coach Ryan, Westhoff ordered the code red didn't he because that's what you told Westhoff to do and when it went bad you cut these guys lose.

You had Bruce Speight deny and knowledge. You doctored the game tapes. You coerced the inactive players.

Coach Ryan did you order the code red?

You want answers!

I think I'm entitled.

You want answers!

I want the truth!


You can't handle the truth!

Son we live in a world that has WALLS and those WALLS have to be guarded by men with helmets. Who's going to do it? You?! You Carl Johnson?

I have a greater responsiblity then you can possibly fathom. You weep for Carrol and you curse the Jets. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Carrolls tripping while tragic probably saved yards. And my exsitence while grotesque and incomprehensible to you wins games.

You don't want the truth becaues deep down in places that you don't talk about at parties. You want Sal Alosi on that wall, you need Sal on that wall.

We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something.

You'd use them as a punch line.

I have neither the time nor inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very game that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.

I would rather you just said thank you and went on your way.

Otherwise I suggest you pick up a helmet and stand in the WALL. Either way I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Did you order the code red?

I did the job

Did you order the Code Red.

You're damn right I did!!

 

[82CardsGrad]

If Westhoff gave an order that Carrol wasn't to be tripped then why did he have Alosi form a WALL?

Coach Ryan, Westhoff ordered the code red didn't he because that's what you told Westhoff to do and when it went bad you cut these guys lose.

You had Bruce Speight deny and knowledge. You doctored the game tapes. You coerced the inactive players.

Coach Ryan did you order the code red?

You want answers!

I think I'm entitled.

You want answers!

I want the truth!


You can't handle the truth!

Son we live in a world that has WALLS and those WALLS have to be guarded by men with helmets. Who's going to do it? You?! You Carl Johnson?

I have a greater responsiblity then you can possibly fathom. You weep for Carrol and you curse the Jets. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Carrolls tripping while tragic probably saved yards. And my exsitence while grotesque and incomprehensible to you wins games.

You don't want the truth becaues deep down in places that you don't talk about at parties. You want Sal Alosi on that wall, you need Sal on that wall.

We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something.

You'd use them as a punch line.

I have neither the time nor inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very game that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.

I would rather you just said thank you and went on your way.

Otherwise I suggest you pick up a helmet and stand in the WALL. Either way I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Did you order the code red?

I did the job

Did you order the Code Red.

You're damn right I did!!

Very, very well done!

5/5

 

[Cardiac]

Very, very well done!

5/5

I was inspired by your post.

 

[TheHopToad]

I was inspired by your post.

Let's go eat a g**damn snack!

 

[NJCardFan]

Is this the part where we ask for an Article 39-A session? The witness has rights you know.

 

[Mulli]

The Fat Man ordered the Code Red. No doubt about it... Alosi and his wall-gang are playing the part of Louden Downey and Harold Dawson... They executed orders. They carried out the Code Red. Goodell is Daniel Kaffee - and yes, he Can't Handle the Truth!

Paging Russ Smith. Alosi was just hired as the Strength and Conditioning Coach.

At UCLA.