J.R Smith To Denver

[MaoTosiFanClub]

You hit the nail on the head--if teams that have no chance for a championship are giving away Kirk Snyder and JR Smith for peanuts, what makes anyone think those guys are worth any amount of money on a championship-caliber team like the Suns?

Remember Boris Diaw? Or Tim Thomas?

Tell you what, I'd rather take a shot at JR Smith than let Dijon Thompson or some other scrub permanently occupy the pine and make the minimum. Sometimes as a GM you gotta factor risk vs. reward. There is absolutely no risk in bringing in Smith, he makes next to nothing and costs nothing to acquire yet as a young freakish athlete with a developing jumpshot (albeit with a head problem) he has a tremendous upside. If passing on this guy means another year of Burke, Shirley, or some other bum hanging out then the Suns made a mistake although I doubt you'd admit that considering that I can't remember the last time you disagreed with anything the Suns did.

I really cannot comprehend how anyone can defend this offsaeason so far. Any rational person would tell you that it has been a complete disaster.

 

[BOLDIN]

Marion for JR Smith and Kirk Hienrich. DO IT, DO IT.

 

[Gaddabout]

Some of y'all aren't being very "Dude" like ...

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[nowagimp]

I really cannot comprehend how anyone can defend this offsaeason so far. Any rational person would tell you that it has been a complete disaster.

A complete disaster? A complete disaster was Amare going out with surgery last year. A disaster was Raja tearing a calf muscle in the WCF. How can a team looking for a 8th 9th and 10th man have a complete disaster by not signing the first few choices? Last year when the suns lost JJ(a possible future all star, starting 2) it might have been arguable that it was a disaster, not knowing that Boris would be a stud. But now we have a "complete disaster". I sure hope that the suns management is not so panicked.

The suns have 3 first round picks in the best draft in decades next year. Everybody wants to pry those picks loose in a "deal". It is unfortunately boring when the suns dont make any moves, but I fail to see an impending disaster. Guys, ya need to find a way to chill.

 

[asudevil83]

Remember Boris Diaw? Or Tim Thomas?

Tell you what, I'd rather take a shot at JR Smith than let Dijon Thompson or some other scrub permanently occupy the pine and make the minimum. Sometimes as a GM you gotta factor risk vs. reward. There is absolutely no risk in bringing in Smith, he makes next to nothing and costs nothing to acquire yet as a young freakish athlete with a developing jumpshot (albeit with a head problem) he has a tremendous upside. If passing on this guy means another year of Burke, Shirley, or some other bum hanging out then the Suns made a mistake although I doubt you'd admit that considering that I can't remember the last time you disagreed with anything the Suns did.

I really cannot comprehend how anyone can defend this offsaeason so far. Any rational person would tell you that it has been a complete disaster.

hey, but we dumped our first rounders, lowballed TT, lost out on Salmons.....but we did sign Piatkowski to a stupid 2 year guarrenteed contract, which will most likely cost us a first rounder next year to unload (ala Brian Grant), so we avoid paying more of the luxury tax.

oh, and we havent resigned either of Diaw or Barbosa.

we NEED someone else in the backcourt. we NEED another big man. who the hell knows if Amare is going to come back anywhere near where he used to be. who knows if KT is going to come back effective or if D'Antoni is even going to use him.

in all honesty though, we had a list of things the suns must accomplish this offseason. and what do we have to show for it? Eric Piatkowski, some guy who might get maybe 8 minutes per game.

 

[Folster]

The suns have 3 first round picks in the best draft in decades next year. Everybody wants to pry those picks loose in a "deal". It is unfortunately boring when the suns dont make any moves, but I fail to see an impending disaster. Guys, ya need to find a way to chill.

I wish I was as certain as you that we will be using those picks and not trading them away to get rid of Pikes remaining year ala Brian Grant, or for flexibility to sign free agents.

EDIT: Sorry ASUDevil83. I didn't mean to post the exact same thing as you, but we were writing at the same time.

 

[Chaplin]

you're right and considering that I did NONE OF THE ABOVE, I think that makes the above post equally ridiculous.

You know why the Spurs didn't make MONSTEROUS changes when they were winning titles - BECAUSE THEY WERE WINNING TITLES. You know we were making those kind of changes? BECAUSE WE WEREN'T CONTENDERS WITH ANY OF THOSE GUYS. But yeah, maybe the Suns should have stayed pat with those teams and let them continue to be 1st round fodder. That way they could say they were doing the same thing as SA, only doing it at the wrong time.

By the way, I do think, once again, it's funny you accuse people of attcking people when you're claling people dense, bad fans and then insulting their intelligence in other threads. Way to Hyopchap.

What the hell do you think I was talking about?? When I mention us trading out star after star every year, who did you think I meant??

 

[Ballamania]

Posted by Mainstreet:

Regarding the last comment above, I prefer to think of it as the two man game. Run properly it is very hard to stop, but I thought it was only supposed to be run against opposing teams not members of the same team... the posters on this Board. I say this comment with only the best intentions to improve communication and not to be later chastised with undue criticism or the frequent default positions of exageration, sarcasm and questioning the IQ of posters. Frankly, I don't think it's polite to call someone dense.

I guess I'm with Ouchie-Z-Clown and Cheesebeef. I don't think anyone is suggesting the Suns need to make major changes. However, targeting and signing a couple of quality role players to fill needs would be helpful. I don't see this happening yet, however, I'm still hopeful. I just think it's dangerous to play the off season in a complacent manner as options are dwindling the more time passes (I certainly hope the problem is not bad or inexperienced management). If injuries occur, the 8th, 9th or 10th man added to the roster may give the Suns the needed depth to win a Championship.

I don't see any trolls present and I think the posters need to treat each other with respect and as equals. I hope I didn't offend anyone.

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i think i agree with that. i pretty much have been feeling the same way about the situation. its not desperation but something positive has got to happen beside the hope of amare.

 

[Chaplin]

Remember Boris Diaw? Or Tim Thomas?

Tell you what, I'd rather take a shot at JR Smith than let Dijon Thompson or some other scrub permanently occupy the pine and make the minimum. Sometimes as a GM you gotta factor risk vs. reward. There is absolutely no risk in bringing in Smith, he makes next to nothing and costs nothing to acquire yet as a young freakish athlete with a developing jumpshot (albeit with a head problem) he has a tremendous upside. If passing on this guy means another year of Burke, Shirley, or some other bum hanging out then the Suns made a mistake although I doubt you'd admit that considering that I can't remember the last time you disagreed with anything the Suns did.

I really cannot comprehend how anyone can defend this offsaeason so far. Any rational person would tell you that it has been a complete disaster.

I am defending the Suns as a team. Period. They are still a championship-caliber club, barring injury. John Salmons would help, but his contribution would be minimal. That's not to say that whoever else we pick up will contribute just as much.

I've consistently said that it would be nice if we would have resigned TT, or even signed John Salmons (although I think we offered too much). But again, I'm not going to bitch and whine like everyone else that so far we weren't able to do that. It's a long summer, I'm not giving up on the team like everyone else. If that means I don't think this offseason is a "disaster" yet, then so be it. I don't think it's a disaster.

 

[Chaplin]

hey, but we dumped our first rounders, lowballed TT, lost out on Salmons.....but we did sign Piatkowski to a stupid 2 year guarrenteed contract, which will most likely cost us a first rounder next year to unload (ala Brian Grant), so we avoid paying more of the luxury tax.

oh, and we havent resigned either of Diaw or Barbosa.

we NEED someone else in the backcourt. we NEED another big man. who the hell knows if Amare is going to come back anywhere near where he used to be. who knows if KT is going to come back effective or if D'Antoni is even going to use him.

in all honesty though, we had a list of things the suns must accomplish this offseason. and what do we have to show for it? Eric Piatkowski, some guy who might get maybe 8 minutes per game.

On a MINIMUM contract. Who cares about him? If he provides something on the court, great. If not, why lose sleep over it?

 

[Chaplin]

I don't see any trolls present and I think the posters need to treat each other with respect and as equals. I hope I didn't offend anyone.

Agreed, except I never attacked anyone. My general post was attacked by both Ouchie and cheese, regardless if you agree with any of us or not. Only then did I defend myself, which I always have to do with them. I only reply to them when they attack me.

 

[asudevil83]

On a MINIMUM contract. Who cares about him? If he provides something on the court, great. If not, why lose sleep over it?

Brian Grant was also a MINIMUM contract. and what did we have to do to rid ourselves of him?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Regarding the last comment above, I prefer to think of it as the two man game. Run properly it is very hard to stop, but I thought it was only supposed to be run against opposing teams not members of the same team... the posters on this Board. I say this comment with only the best intentions to improve communication and not to be later chastised with undue criticism or the frequent default positions of exageration, sarcasm and questioning the IQ of posters. Frankly, I don't think it's polite to call someone dense.

I guess I'm with Ouchie-Z-Clown and Cheesebeef. I don't think anyone is suggesting the Suns need to make major changes. However, targeting and signing a couple of quality role players to fill needs would be helpful. I don't see this happening yet, however, I'm still hopeful. I just think it's dangerous to play the off season in a complacent manner as options are dwindling the more time passes (I certainly hope the problem is not bad or inexperienced management). If injuries occur, the 8th, 9th or 10th man added to the roster may give the Suns the needed depth to win a Championship.

I don't see any trolls present and I think the posters need to treat each other with respect and as equals. I hope I didn't offend anyone.

no offense taken here.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

On a MINIMUM contract. Who cares about him? If he provides something on the court, great. If not, why lose sleep over it?

Funny, that's the same logic people here are using when it comes to acquiring JR Smith.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

A complete disaster? A complete disaster was Amare going out with surgery last year. A disaster was Raja tearing a calf muscle in the WCF. How can a team looking for a 8th 9th and 10th man have a complete disaster by not signing the first few choices? Last year when the suns lost JJ(a possible future all star, starting 2) it might have been arguable that it was a disaster, not knowing that Boris would be a stud. But now we have a "complete disaster". I sure hope that the suns management is not so panicked.

The suns have 3 first round picks in the best draft in decades next year. Everybody wants to pry those picks loose in a "deal". It is unfortunately boring when the suns dont make any moves, but I fail to see an impending disaster. Guys, ya need to find a way to chill.

everyone keeps talking about the deepest draft in decades. realistically the probability of the suns and cavs picks panning out into impact players is probably relatively low. the hawks pick is the money pick, the other two are just tremendous gambles.

 

[Chaplin]

Funny, that's the same logic people here are using when it comes to acquiring JR Smith.

So then do you think JR Smith is better than Piatkowski? We didn't have to give up anything for Pike, for JR Smith, we would have. Of course, that's assuming that teams would trade with us in the first place.

All you people seem to think that whenever the Suns say they want to trade for someone, it automatically happens. That's not how it works.

 

[Chaplin]

everyone keeps talking about the deepest draft in decades. realistically the probability of the suns and cavs picks panning out into impact players is probably relatively low. the hawks pick is the money pick, the other two are just tremendous gambles.

"Probably". AKA, you don't know, you just think so because that's how this draft turned out. I'm not too enthusiastic about the late picks next year either, but I am sure more intrigued by them then the 2 we had this year.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

A complete disaster? A complete disaster was Amare going out with surgery last year. A disaster was Raja tearing a calf muscle in the WCF. How can a team looking for a 8th 9th and 10th man have a complete disaster by not signing the first few choices? Last year when the suns lost JJ(a possible future all star, starting 2) it might have been arguable that it was a disaster, not knowing that Boris would be a stud. But now we have a "complete disaster". I sure hope that the suns management is not so panicked.

The suns have 3 first round picks in the best draft in decades next year. Everybody wants to pry those picks loose in a "deal". It is unfortunately boring when the suns dont make any moves, but I fail to see an impending disaster. Guys, ya need to find a way to chill.

What were the two biggets needs going into the offseason? Resigning Tim Thomas and PG/frontcourt depth. Struck out on all three of those, which is not good considering your entire frontcourt and starting PG are not exactly beacons of health at this point in their careers.

As I've said before, only a homer would suggest getting Erik Pitakowski out of two 1st round draft picks, a full MLE, and a trade exception is a good offseason.

 

[Chaplin]

What were the two biggets needs going into the offseason? Resigning Tim Thomas and PG/frontcourt depth. Struck out on all three of those, which is not good considering your entire frontcourt and starting PG are not exactly beacons of health at this point in their careers.

As I've said before, only a homer would suggest getting Erik Pitakowski out of two 1st round draft picks, a full MLE, and a trade exception is a good offseason.

We struck out on Tim Thomas. Fine. Scratch one for Mao. Struck out for PG/Frontcourt depth? 5 days after free agency has started and with yet another 3 1/2 months until the start of the season?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

We struck out on Tim Thomas. Fine. Scratch one for Mao. Struck out for PG/Frontcourt depth? 5 days after free agency has started and with yet another 3 1/2 months until the start of the season?

I meant the offseason so far, which I'm sure you understood. There's plenty of time for the Suns to turn this offseason around, but the last month has been indefensible.

 

[Chaplin]

I meant the offseason so far, which I'm sure you understood. There's plenty of time for the Suns to turn this offseason around, but the last month has been indefensible.

It hasn't been busy, but indefensible? You make it sound like we traded Nash and Amare away for peanuts.

 

[Evil Ash]

Brian Grant was also a MINIMUM contract. and what did we have to do to rid ourselves of him?

He had an LLE contract, meaning his contract was for $1.8 million not for the minimum.

 

[nowagimp]

everyone keeps talking about the deepest draft in decades. realistically the probability of the suns and cavs picks panning out into impact players is probably relatively low. the hawks pick is the money pick, the other two are just tremendous gambles.

Tremendous gambles would have been this years first round picks, which many posters could not get over after the suns did not keep a pick. Interesting how this years picks were so important, and yet it was generally viewed as a much weaker draft.

The only move that I think was mishandled was not re-signing TT for 21 mil, and I still do not know why. Maybe there was a good reason.

I am concerned about a backup combo/point to make sure that Nash gets rest, but whoever that guy is he needs to be able to handle the ball, so its not JR Smith. Several teams have assets stockpiled in that area so a deal can still be made. IF the celtics would trade Delonte West for one or two of the latter picks in next years draft, it would be a better scenario than any mentioned so far, definitely including salmons, who is a mediocre perimeter shooter. As far as the back up big, Lampe could be a servicable option in the suns system and he is available, isnt he? Any small deals that the suns might be involved in are probably being held up by the bigger ones, like the 76ers trading AI(to the celts?). The "trade dust" must settle first.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

It hasn't been busy, but indefensible? You make it sound like we traded Nash and Amare away for peanuts.

I don't know about you, but failing to achieve desired results is indefensible when you count your chickens as the Suns did prior to this offseason. Getting Diaw locked up long-term makes all my complaining moot, but until that happens or the team makes a solid move that shores up glaring pre-offseason needs then all criticism is warranted.

 

[NastyOne]

I'm sorry, but you are seriously overrating JR Smith. You do know this is JR Smith and not Josh Smith, right? The guy is nothing like Tracy McGrady. JR Smith can not defend, and he has absolutely no handles or midrange game. He is all three-pointers and slam dunks. Now that's still my work well in our system, but apparently he's not exactly a team player either.

The Phoenix Suns do not want to bring people in who will disrupt the chemistry of the team. I've covered them say repeatedly that one of the great things about last year's team was the type of players they had.

I won't claim to have watched a lot of footage of these guys, but I get the feeling that you guys want them so badly based on the fact that they were rather big names in a trashed a couple years ago. There's a reason these teams are giving them away. They don't even want to pay their first round contracts.

Joe

I think J.R Smith is exactly like Tracy McGrady.

Both came out of Highschool and got drafted because of their tremendous athletic ability, big size as guards and the ability to drain the 3.

Both were very raw and everyone knew it would take a few years to develope all of their basketball skills and the fundamentals of the game.

Both ended up in the dog house with their coaches within their first two seasons.

McGrady broke out his 3rd year getting a big increase in playing time.

Smith will most likely recieve way more playing time in Denver.

On athletic ability alone J.R Smith is on the level of only a few players in the NBA.But he can also shoot the 3 from anywhere on the court, and he has great handle.

Only thing keeping him back was his attitude towards Byron Scott(For whatever reason), and not being able to get himself out of the coaches doghouse.

He already has 3 skills that guarantee he will always have a spot in the NBA, and thats ridiculous Hops,Handle and Great shooting range.

If he works on the other stuff he'll be a star in this league.

He's worth the risk if all it would cost us was some second rounders.