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BTW, I wouldn't have a dog in my house that was even slightly aggressive because I wouldn't want it to hurt my cats. So I certainly wouldn't have one in my house if I had children. :)

Did you ever meet Nomad when you came over after Tim's funeral? The cat that acted like a dog? lol
 

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This really isn't James Harrison's week, is it.

Hope the little tyke is okay though.

I've been bit by a dog once in my life, and I still have the tiny scars on my hand to prove it. Not fun!!!
 

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This really isn't James Harrison's week, is it.

Hope the little tyke is okay though.

I've been bit by a dog once in my life, and I still have the tiny scars on my hand to prove it. Not fun!!!

There are ways to take dogs out when they attack you.. Youll get some teeth mark in you, but the dog will be dead.. No reason to be afraid of a dog ever in life.. I'll tell you if ya really wanna know.. ha ha
 

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Totally remember. :) Crazy cat, lol.

Best cat ever.. When someone knocked on the door, he would walk to the door and wait for to answer it.. He seemed like we were gonna fight people for coming to the house.. lmao.. He never backed down.. I saw him whoop dog's asses.. Tim was in shock when he came over once.. Tim asked if Nomad was crazy.. ha ha..
 

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Harrison was at first skeptical of sending his son to the children's hospital, saying:

"This is how I feel -- if you want to see James Harrison III, invite him when he isn't attacked by a pit bull. As far as I'm concerned, they [Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh] would've invited Elijah Warner if he had been bitten by a pit bull."
 

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I've had dogs my whole life and wouldn't even remotely consider a pit bull. I have 2 right now, a German Shepherd and a collie. And, while German Shepherds are usually near the top of the list when it comes to dog bites, they usually occur when the dog,or someone in the family, feels threatened. That doesn't make it right,and i would have any dog of mine put down if they bit someone,but the difference is a pit bull can turn on it's OWN family without any warning or without any reason. To me, it's crazy to have a dog like that. To me, a dog is supposed to be a loyal companion with no worries around people and not,as laura says, something you have to continuously keep your eye on and have to worry that it may go off on anyone at anytime.

I think it kind of funny how pit bull defenders always blame Peta, or other organizations,for bad connotations when it comes to pit bulls and says they are good dogs just raised wrong. That's total BS. They are are perceived as viscious dogs because they are. How many times have you seen a headline of,say, 5 year old mauled by viscious Pug? And how come only the bad dog owners seem to own pit bulls? OK, i'm off my dog rant. Back to Cardinals. Let's bring in Mike Vick :D.
 

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Gee is dead on. My wife worked in a vet clinic for many years. Every pit bull owner said the same thing. "He was so good around our kids and then he just snapped and wouldn't let go". My wife estimates she put 50 of them down for attacking people and kids.

They should be illegal to own if you have children. I liken it to leaving a gun and some bullets on the floor of your kid's playroom

My wife was a vet tech for about 10 years..... My dad breeds, boards, competitively trains most breeds of bird dog's. So needless to say, I have met thousands of dogs, and thousands of breeds.

We would never own a Pit. Or a Rotty for that matter.

They are more dangerous than Pot IMO. No matter how they have been trained.

And with all of the choices there are..... Someone has to go OUT OF THEIR WAY to make the decision to get a fighting breed. Why would you even take the chance? You want love? Loyalty? Honor? Majesty? Pride? Short Hair? Long Hair? I can show you at least 20 breeds better than either of those two.
 
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My 2 cents:

I have been around Pitts and AMSTAFs (american staffordshire terriers) all my life. I have owned them as pets, and have regrettably been around dog fighting earlier in life. I love this breed of dog more than any animal on the planet.

First I understand people hear stories and watch specials on TV and everyone loves dogs, so you feel free to speak like you know what you're talking about when it comes to dog-fighting. If we were having a debate on quantum physics or molecular biology I doubt everyone would be so quick to judge and have know-it-all opinions.

95% of the Pit Bulls/AMSTAFs you see out there are not and never could/would be fighting dogs. The honest to God truth of the matter is that the real fighting dogs are the best tempered and least dangerous (large) dogs to humans you'll ever meet. In real dog-fighting, both owners are in the ring and their hands are on their dogs throughout most of the match. These owners have to have complete faith and trust in the dogs and in their competitor's dog. Any ring dogs that ever show any aggressiveness towards humans are immediately fixed/destroyed to keeping them from passing down any aggressiveness towards people trait.. Today's fighting dogs come from bloodlines that have gone 200years without ever having one instance of violence towards a human. Also, in real matches, these dogs are NEVER fought to the death, only to the clamp. To say they are well-practiced killers is just wrong.

The dogs that you hear about on the news are the inbred and poorly bred/raised dogs of ghetto/white trash individuals. They beat and torture dogs thinking it make them tough or something when in reality they are just forcing them to hate humans. On top of this, these people are the same types of scum that will make any type of $$ they can. Then after they torture these dogs they breed and overbreed the hell out of the monsters they've created and then sell the pups to morons like themselves who will reperat the cycle. It's truly sickening. Look at the details that have surfaced thusfar regarding the Harrision attack. The dog is kept in a pen within the house and only let out to go outside to stretch or go to the bathroom? The man is incarcerating his dog. That is not a pet, but more of a slave. Looks as though he keeps it just so he can feel like a badass for having a Pit. Very typical for pro athletes.

Sure there are tons of unsafe Pits out there, but should that really come as a surprise. If drug dealers and lowlifes could make more money off of poodles than pits they would become the most feared dog. Look at the kids that come out of these homes. The saying "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" is applicable to more than just human beings. When trashy individuals have children and raise (or fail to) they normally turn out to be trashy individuals. When inbred and violent dogs have pups, they do pass down those genes. When have you seen an upstanding citizen complaining of a pit bull attack from within their own home? You dont. When Pits bite people they usually belong to either an idiot pro athlete (who would likely be on public assistance if they weren't genetically blessed) or some inbred out in the sticks. Well bred dogs just dont do this sort of thing.

Purchasing a Pit Bull is just like buying a car, house, tools, boat or really anything. You get what you pay for. If you spend 5,000 on a brand new Kia, are you really gonna be surprised when it doesn't perform on par with your neighbors BMW and breaks down after 20,000 miles? If you buy some pit Bull you found in the newspaper or through a friend of a friend and it either has no papers or the papers list bloodlines you've never heard of then dont be surprised when it eats you kids. Would you bring in a stranger off the street that you knew nothing of to live with your kids? That dog could be a four-legged Tyranosaurus for all you know. If you bya Pit I reccommend getting a 24 generation ancestry list with your paperwork. If this dog has Colby, Crenshaw, Alligator, Watchdog, Eli Snooty or Mountan Man bloodlines you are getting as pure athletic, well tempered, patient, loving and fantastic animal as this world has to offer.

With all of that said, I would never keep any even semi-agressive dog in a house with young children. It's not the dog I dont trust, but rather the kid. The kids however, are the number 1 priority. I love these dogs and if my kids want one when they are older, that's their choice, but as far as kids go I am in the "safe beats sorry" boat.
 
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My wife was a vet tech for about 10 years..... My dad breeds, boards, competitively trains most breeds of bird dog's. So needless to say, I have met thousands of dogs, and thousands of breeds.

We would never own a Pit. Or a Rotty for that matter.

They are more dangerous than Pot IMO. No matter how they have been trained.

And with all of the choices there are..... Someone has to go OUT OF THEIR WAY to make the decision to get a fighting breed. Why would you even take the chance? You want love? Loyalty? Honor? Majesty? Pride? Short Hair? Long Hair? I can show you at least 20 breeds better than either of those two.



How dangerous is pot?
 
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This is a simple issue for me and I make no attempt to pursuade anyone else because the effort is always wasted. Between my own experiences and reading, where pit bulls are concerned, I live by simple rules.

  1. I will not visit any person's house where there is a pit bull.
  2. Anyplace I go and unexpectedly find a pit bull, I leave imediately. This includes everywhere. Friend's homes, parks and beaches.
  3. I left a Card's Flagstaff practice when a loose pit bull ran across the fields when the team was practicing.
  4. No pit bull is allowed on my property or in my house or in my vehicle.
 

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How dangerous is pot?

My contention is that if Pot is illegal (I still don't understand fully why, and I have never come close to smoking it). Make those breeds at the very least, a controlled substance. Only allowed in the hands of a trained professional.

Something of that nature.
 

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You can say whatever you want to defend them, The fact is:

The scumbags that molded this breed into what it is today have every bit earned the sh!tty reputation they have.
 

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it depends on whether a pit bull has been smoking it, or not :).
I think you may be on to something. I never heard of anyone being overly mean or aggressive when they were high. It should be mandated if you want to own a Pit Bull you need to make sure you keep it at least half baked at all times:D
 

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This is a simple issue for me and I make no attempt to pursuade anyone else because the effort is always wasted. Between my own experiences and reading, where pit bulls are concerned, I live by simple rules.

  1. I will not visit any person's house where there is a pit bull.
  2. Anyplace I go and unexpectedly find a pit bull, I leave imediately. This includes everywhere. Friend's homes, parks and beaches.
  3. I left a Card's Flagstaff practice when a loose pit bull ran across the fields when the team was practicing.
  4. No pit bull is allowed on my property or in my house or in my vehicle.

That's pretty much where I stand on the subject.
 

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This is a simple issue for me and I make no attempt to pursuade anyone else because the effort is always wasted. Between my own experiences and reading, where pit bulls are concerned, I live by simple rules.

  1. I will not visit any person's house where there is a pit bull.
  2. Anyplace I go and unexpectedly find a pit bull, I leave imediately. This includes everywhere. Friend's homes, parks and beaches.
  3. I left a Card's Flagstaff practice when a loose pit bull ran across the fields when the team was practicing.
  4. No pit bull is allowed on my property or in my house or in my vehicle.
Sad that you choose to live your life like this IMO, but it's your life.
 

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You say that now.. But them dogs can snap for no reason no matter how they are bred..

and I take it your an expert on animal behavior? People kill me how they hear things in tv and take for fact. If you were to to a little research, you would find out that the pitbull terrier isn't the villian that the media makes it out to be.
 

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Thank you MD for shedding a little pro-Pitbull light out there. this message board is about where the public stands on Pitbulls, unfortunately. Do you remember "Our Gang", ever hear of Helen Keller; know which breed was our country's WW1 Mascot, Know what breed was admired most and kept at the White House by Teddy Roosevelt and 2 Presidents before him? Pitbulls!! It's the owners... Guns also don't kill anyone, people using them do, just like Pit bulldogs- people twist the dogs genetically, behaviorally, for their own gains. "Hey let's mix your Pitbull to my wolf-hybrid and see if we can make some mean fighters" Someone actually said this to me years ago.. Ignorance is rampant; All owners of these dogs and all dangerous breeds should have to be insured for a set amount-punishable by jailtime. this would weed out some of the bad element that has "Tough Dog Syndrome"
 
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Harrison was at first skeptical of sending his son to the children's hospital, saying:

"This is how I feel -- if you want to see James Harrison III, invite him when he isn't attacked by a pit bull. As far as I'm concerned, they [Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh] would've invited Elijah Warner if he had been bitten by a pit bull."

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Been around dogs all my life. My mom worked animal regulation in Los Angeles when I was a kid. We mostly had Dobermans until we came to Arizona and we had Rottweilers. Never had any issues with any of our dogs.

I've only been attacked once by a dog - a German Shepherd.

My wife and I have had Rotts in the past and currently have a Border Collie mix and a brindle pitbull mix.
 

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You say that now.. But them dogs can snap for no reason no matter how they are bred..

Actually, I think it is because of how they were bred , a few thousand years ago. They will snap. They do snap. They are bred to snap. Attempting to modify their behavior, which was bred into them, never works. Sure they are extremely loyal, to their owner. It is the rest of us that they are not loyal to. Everyone else is their potential target.

I was attacked by a Rotweiller while riding my bike on a public street. I won that battle, but the owner claimed I provoked the dog into attacking me. Turns out, that dog had 3 previous documented attack incidents within the last month, prior to attacking me. From that day on, I won't give any dog the benefit of trust. If a dog even growls at me, the owner gets a very quick warning. The next step is up to them and it doesn't last very long.
 

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I have a Pitbull Terrier and twin 8 year-olds. Her behavior around them is exemplary and I watch her closely every minute just like I would any large breed of dog around my love.

So you like your dog more than your child? Why would you even subject your children to the possibility. Do you keep loaded weapons in your house also? You have set yourself up for a James Harrison incident. Think about it.
 
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