Jay Williams cut from nets

[Suns_fan69]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2635166

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Jay Williams, attempting to make the New Jersey Nets roster three years after recovering from a serious motorcycle accident, was cut by the team on Sunday.

Wiliams averaged 3.8 points and 13.2 minutes in five preseason games after signing with the Nets last month.

The No. 2 overall pick by the Chicago Bulls in the 2002 draft averaged 9.5 points and 4.7 assists before he crashed his motorcycle into a light pole and sustained a broken pelvis, torn knee ligaments and nerve damage in his left leg.

He was hospitalized for three months.

Williams, a former national player of the year at Duke, signed a non-guaranteed contract with the Nets.

Too bad for him. Probably would have been tough to get playing time behind Kidd, House and Marcus Williams anyways.

 

[krispydude]

that sucks. he made a stupid decision to ride but i hope he can at least ride the bench for some team. im sure hes worked pretty hard coming back.

 

[pokerface]

Umm...wasnt somone giving me grief over this like I was wrong about Jay?



hellloooooo?

 

[pokerface]

funny that you'r ekind of quiet on the Jason Williams front these days also... good call there about him not getting a sniff from anyone.

Oh ya...its coming back to me

 

[green machine]

Oh ya...its coming back to me

I do believe he got a sniff.

 

[Mainstreet]

Pokerface, I wasn't even involved in this Jay Williams discussion, but I have read your posts. Haven't you ground your stance about Jay into the ground? I think most fans just wanted Jay Williams to overcome adversity. I don't think that really is so bad.

Also, do you really want your legacy to be defined by "Jay Williams" and your stance about "microfracture?"

If Amare has more problems with his knees (which is likely at least to some extent), I'm afraid everyone on this board is never going to hear the end of it.

I know your basketball knowledge extends way beyond these two subjects.

 

[pokerface]

I do believe he got a sniff.

I said he was washed up....didnt talk sniffs. That was cheesy's talk.

 

[pokerface]

Pokerface, I wasn't even involved in this Jay Williams discussion, but I have read your posts. Haven't you ground your stance about Jay into the ground? I think most fans just wanted Jay Williams to overcome adversity. I don't think that really is so bad.

Also, do you really want your legacy to be defined by "Jay Williams" and your stance about "microfracture?"

If Amare has more problems with his knees (which is likely at least to some extent), I'm afraid everyone on this board is never going to hear the end of it.

I know your basketball knowledge extends way beyond these two subjects.

What is this? I cant respond to someone giving me a hard time and calling me out? He brought up Jay...I responded. I wasnt talking to you...he doesnt need an army. I didnt even start this thread...go bash someone else.

 

[asudevil83]

well, i guess with the nets having 16 players under contract, then there isnt any room for the guy.

does not mean that he's washed up and done.....IMO it means that there wasnt the roster spot to hold onto a guy who MIGHT be servicable, especially when there isnt much need for him behind kidd and williams.

 

[pokerface]

well, i guess with the nets having 16 players under contract, then there isnt any room for the guy.

does not mean that he's washed up and done.....IMO it means that there wasnt the roster spot to hold onto a guy who MIGHT be servicable, especially when there isnt much need for him behind kidd and williams.

In my original point ppl around here wanted Jay Williams...I said lets not experiement with him because we have an elite team plus we could do better than him. For some strange reason some fans thought he was the best we could get this offseason....I'll take Banks thanks.

 

[Amare32]

this is a bad sign considering House and williams are both likely to be out for the first month or so of the season. You would think they would need Jay at least for a little while.

 

[Errntknght]

pokerface, "For some strange reason some fans thought he was the best we could get this offseason"

As you did during the earlier discussions you misrepresent other peoples' position - not one person said he thought Jay was the best we could get. In fact no one said we should do any more than bring him in for a look-see. Heck, no one went so far as to predict he would make a successful comeback.

 

[George O'Brien]

How many guaranteed contracts do the Nets have? Even if he was healthy, he hasn't played in a long time and it takes a while to get back with a new team, new system, etc.

His agent should try to find him a job in Europe. They don't have as much emphasis on physical skills, so he might have a chance to play and work his way back into the NBA someday.

 

[pokerface]

pokerface, "For some strange reason some fans thought he was the best we could get this offseason"

As you did during the earlier discussions you misrepresent other peoples' position - not one person said he thought Jay was the best we could get. In fact no one said we should do any more than bring him in for a look-see. Heck, no one went so far as to predict he would make a successful comeback.

Well SOME out there were challenging me to to find someone better available than Jay Williams. I said I'm not up on all the players but the Suns have better options via draft, free agency, and trades. Williams should be the very last option taken....if you want to call him a option. He was unproven and I didnt want him attempting to do his proving on the run 'n' gun Suns.

 

[Errntknght]

pokerface, "Well SOME out there were challenging me to to find someone better available than Jay Williams."

I like to see you dig out SOME posts to back up that claim. I recall nothing of the sort, though I can imagine you misrepresenting them making such a challenge then, like you are doing now.

 

[pokerface]

pokerface, "Well SOME out there were challenging me to to find someone better available than Jay Williams."

I like to see you dig out SOME posts to back up that claim. I recall nothing of the sort, though I can imagine you misrepresenting them making such a challenge then, like you are doing now.

OK. Here are some posts to back up what I've stated......

What is so funny? Can you think of a better backup PG option that has not been stated, and is halfway possible?

Yet another attempt to dodge a simple question.

What other point guards should the Suns look at, that would have a better upside than Jay Williams and would cost around the veterans minimun?

Let me ask the question ONE MORE TIME, so that there can be NO confusion

What other point guards should the Suns look at, that would cost around the veterans minimum?

Please, give us a name, instead of crapping on an idea that many of us think that has merit.

i'm just trying to figure out why the hell you are so AGAINST bringing the guy in. for the vet min, it wouldnt hurt.

he sure as hell would be more effective than a guy like Burke or Shirley or Dijon or Skita.

It was that plus some others saying to throw the MLE at him even...Anyway my response was...

I havn't answered that because I'n not scouting the whole NBA and the draft nor am I in the inside loop as far as what money players want. Many times a player will take less money to play for a contender. Maybe Breven Knight would consider us again...for the league minimum I dont know. But even guys on our own team seem better than Jay Williams...I definatly would prefer Barbosa (or even House) over Jay because they have speed and can get hot. How much speed can Jay have right now?? He's a big risk!

We have so many options that realistically you cant begin to lay them all out there. The Suns have many tradable assets plus a couple draft picks to work with. Am I supposed to give rundowns on those options? Doesnt seem feesible...too numerous. One draft pick out there was being billed as some poor mans Nash clone...I dont remember his name offhand. I'm sure he can run better than Jay Williams though...

Why dont you tell me why you're so enamored with Jay? He didnt light up the league in his rookie year and then he had a HUGE injury to his leg. What do you know about the new and less improved Jay Williams right now? All you know is he was drafted #2 years ago and he wants back in the NBA. Besides that what do you know? Why does he deserve the benefit of the doubt?

Now this seems consistant with what I just said....no misrepresentations. True he was talking about using a vet minimum but my point was Jay is too washed up especailly for our speedy Suns team. So from my perspective I dont care if it was for the vet minimum or not...not interested. I want as much viable talent on the Suns as possible. I dont want rostor spots just filled for the sake of filling them.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

This is comedy now. I did not say that he WAS THE BEST OPTION, I only asked you to come up with a better option.

Somebody calm me down, before I go postal.

 

[asudevil83]

why even quote me in that post pokerface.

i was mearly stating that if we were going to waste a roster spot on guys like Skita and Dijon, why not waste it on a guy like Williams who has more promise. Skita and Dijon are going to be bad and NEVER break a rotation, while Williams has the potential to actually be productive.

Williams at 60% > Dijon/Skita/Shirley. and its pretty difficult to find someone higher than this scrub calibur for minimum money.

 

[pokerface]

This is comedy now. I did not say that he WAS THE BEST OPTION, I only asked you to come up with a better option.

Somebody calm me down, before I go postal.

Go postal over what? I said some out there were "challenging me to find someone better than Jay Williams"....You just said you were asking me to come up with a better option than Jay Williams. Whats the problem? I'm quoting you guys and still there is some hinting that I'm misrepresenting something.

Well SOME out there were challenging me to find someone better available than Jay Williams. I said I'm not up on all the players but the Suns have better options via draft, free agency, and trades. Williams should be the very last option taken....if you want to call him a option. He was unproven and I didnt want him attempting to do his proving on the run 'n' gun Suns.

 

[pokerface]

why even quote me in that post pokerface.

i was mearly stating that if we were going to waste a roster spot on guys like Skita and Dijon, why not waste it on a guy like Williams who has more promise. Skita and Dijon are going to be bad and NEVER break a rotation, while Williams has the potential to actually be productive.

Williams at 60% > Dijon/Skita/Shirley. and its pretty difficult to find someone higher than this scrub calibur for minimum money.

My point was we could do better than ALL those guys. 60% of a scrub is still a scrub....I dont care how cheap he is!


Banks>>>Williams

 

[Errntknght]

You omitting the part about the salary being at or about the vet min when you brought it up recently is clearly a misrepresentation of their position. Now you're saying that Banks is better than Jay Williams as though Banks was a viable option back when we were disputing whether or not we should bring Jay in for a look. Banks' name did surface in some discussions a bit later but the concensus was that he'd price himself well above what we'd be willing to pay. Even when he compromised in order to play with the Suns the price was five times the vet min, so he's still irrelevant to the Jay Williams contretemps.

 

[SO91]

Umm...just out of curiosity, how is any of this important? Is correcting another poster on a subject that will have absolutely no impact on the team or the league really that enjoyable?

 

[Errntknght]

Now that you mention it, giving pokerface a hard time is quite fun. Thanks for asking.

 

[pokerface]

All I know is I said we could do better than Jay Williams and we did. Jay hasnt proven jack so why would we want him. I think he should have to prove himself in europe or something...no one in the states seems to want him..lol.

 

[asudevil83]

All I know is I said we could do better than Jay Williams and we did. Jay hasnt proven jack so why would we want him. I think he should have to prove himself in europe or something...no one in the states seems to want him..lol.

i thought this whole arguement was about us finding someone better than Williams FOR THE VET MIN....even if it were just for a camp invite and non guarranteed contract. you went ahead and changed that all up.

i'm done with this ridiculous arguement.