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[passenger]

so seriously where does this drop us in the playoff seed now?

2 teams out of Suns,Warriors and Denver will make play-off's.That's what it looks like.

 

[dodie53]

wth?
we lost again?
cmon.
ugh.

 

[pokerface]

We are the most profitable franchise in the NBA the last 3 years. This is an undisputed fact. The Suns could have kept all their draft picks, Kurt Thomas, and James Jones and still made more money than the Spurs.

This is also a fact. When you make the most money and refuse to spend more to maintain competitiveness you are cheap.

I'm so sure...god forbid Sarver has one of the biggest payrolls in the NBA AND has the audacity to make a good profit at the same time. He should just lose his shirt entilrely all in the name of your fandom.


cheap f'n owner

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Let it be. Call it what you will. The man believes that scoring more points solves everything, he believes that Boris Diaw is all-world, he believes in short rotations.
The SUNS 4 year defensive problems aren't a result of Steve Kerr and to a certain extent...Sarver and his penny pinching.
We can argue all day whether or not DA preaches defense in practice.... because the fact is,for whatever reason, Mike cannot get his teams to commit to and/or play defense. There have been a slew of players come thru his regime and the song remains the same. Its not rocket science.
Mike D will have success and less scrutiny in Europe where his philosophy belongs.

We can agree to disagree then. I don't believe any coach can turn 30+ year old players into good defenders when they aren't.

Wow they are killing Amare and Shaq's defense in the post game. Suprising.

 

[mjb21aztd]

wish we had Paul Gasol on our team

 

[mjb21aztd]

also on the bright side the hawks lost another game tonight

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I'm so sure...god forbid Sarver has one of the biggest payrolls in the NBA AND has the audicity to make a good profit at the same time. He should just lose his shirt entilrey all in the name of your fandom.


cheap f'n owner

You are taking my position and moving it into absurdity. Let's try to stay with the facts and keep it to that.

#1. The Suns are not a top payroll in the NBA. They are #10 and the difference #10 and #15 is 2 million dollars.

#2. The Suns are the top money making franchise in the NBA. Forbes has clearly put out all the financials.

#3. I believe everyone here can agree that Kurt Thomas was an above average bench player. He was traded not due to his production but because his "cost outweighed production". Same with James Jones Jr.

#4. We have shorted the franchise by selling our draft picks for nothing but money in return.

#5. The Suns could have kept all their draft picks and players and still made more money than 15 other NBA franchises.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm so sure...god forbid Sarver has one of the biggest payrolls in the NBA

uh, he doesn't. Since when does anyone pump their chest and say "I'm number 10! I'm number 10!"?

AND has the audicity to make a good profit at the same time.

uh, you talked about payrolls, you talk about profit... where's the talk about having, you know... a good TEAM?

He should just lose his shirt entilrey all in the name of your fandom.

uh, can you show me ANYWHERE that anyone's said he should lose his shirt ENTIRELY. No one's asking him to be the Knicks or the Mavs... there is a middle ground.

 

[passenger]

wish we had Paul Gasol on our team

man i'd be ok with even brad miller or verajao

 

[pokerface]

And just so you know, the Suns are #10 in payroll, not in the top 5. They are virtually median for a NBA payroll.

Thats the top third of the league...hardly cheap Chris. Concede the point and move on...you're diggin a hole there.

 

[newfan101]

You are taking my position and moving it into absurdity. Let's try to stay with the facts and keep it to that.

#1. The Suns are not a top payroll in the NBA. They are #10 and the difference #10 and #15 is 2 million dollars.

#2. The Suns are the top money making franchise in the NBA. Forbes has clearly put out all the financials.

#3. I believe everyone here can agree that Kurt Thomas was an above average bench player. He was traded not due to his production but because his "cost outweighed production". Same with James Jones Jr.

#4. We have shorted the franchise by selling our draft picks for nothing but money in return.

#5. The Suns could have kept all their draft picks and players and still made more money than 15 other NBA franchises.

Thank you. You are 100% correct.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Thats the top third of the league...hardly cheap Chris. Concede the point and move on...you're diggin a hole there.

I have nothing to concede. I have actually stated facts and done my research instead of speaking in vague generalities.

 

[pokerface]

You are taking my position and moving it into absurdity. Let's try to stay with the facts and keep it to that.

Yes lets be factual and not be absurd...

#1. The Suns are not a top payroll in the NBA. They are #10 and the difference #10 and #15 is 2 million dollars.

Number one...I never said they were top payroll...I said they were top 5 or 10 which turned out to be correct. Considering there are 30 NBA teams I think being #10 on that list proves my point more than yours. It doesnt matter if its 2 million or 20 million difference, the Suns are top 10 in payroll period.

Maybe you need to be a fan of one of those lower third teams in payroll to see what cheap ownership is...it might give you a whole new meaning of the word cheap.

#2. The Suns are the top money making franchise in the NBA. Forbes has clearly put out all the financials.

So what does that mean? What it means to me is the Suns have put out a good product and are being rewarded for it. They spent good money and are making good money...that makes them cheap? Whats the dollar amount or profit level are the Suns supposed to have to lose your cheap tag placed upon Sarver?

#3. I believe everyone here can agree that Kurt Thomas was an above average bench player. He was traded not due to his production but because his "cost outweighed production". Same with James Jones Jr.

Well gee whiz Chris...blame Sarver for dumping a 12 mill per "above average bench player" in Kurt Thomas. If its any consolation we have a 9 mill bench player in Diaw to make you feel better about Sarver. Plus we have a 20 million dollar center for 2 more seasons...and we have Nash who most people were saying the Suns overpaid for...including money bags Mark Cuban. Just remember Sarver outbid Cuban for Nash...thats saying quite a bit dont you think?

#4. We have shorted the franchise by selling our draft picks for nothing but money in return.

Sarver goes after free agents though. Its not like he sits on his money (aka top ten in payroll). Some CEO's arnt big fans of the draft. Jerry Colangelo himself referred to it as a gamble and didnt like drafts so much. Its when they sell the picks and arnt aggressive in getting talent in other ways (free agency + trades) is when I have a problem. Sarver has been aquiring talent all along.

#5. The Suns could have kept all their draft picks and players and still made more money than 15 other NBA franchises.

Sarver spends money in somes areas and saves in other areas....he has partners to report to...he just can't be Mark Cuban frivilous with the dough. You almost make it sound like he can have it all and keep everything....including 12 mill bench players.

BTW arn't points #4 and #5 pretty much the same points?


Its sad Sarver ever got some cheap tag by some of you. Its totally unjustified and his actions and the numbers dont bear that out. He brings in Shaq and has to pay him 20 million per for two more seasons and that doesnt show some commitment to winning and a willingness to pay for it?

He's trying...give the guy a break already.

 

[SunsFanVegas]

I wasn't able to watch the whole game tonight, and by the outcome, I'm sort of glad I wasn't able to. Did Giricek play at all...and if so...did he show some spark of why we signed him yet?

 

[mojorizen7]

I wasn't able to watch the whole game tonight, and by the outcome, I'm sort of glad I wasn't able to. Did Giricek play at all...and if so...did he show some spark of why we signed him yet?

He played. I thought he took good shots....they just wouldn't fall. His defensive effort was there.

 

[SunsFanVegas]

Thanks Mojo....I hope he finds his shot soon, because so far, I'm not really that impressed with him.

 

[az1965]

Didn't watch or follow the game as I was stuck at work last night but it was good to note Shaq had a good offensive production. I think we need to use him more offensively.

 

[BuddyFranklin]

Suns have to play through the post when Shaq is in. Nash can't be dribbling into the lane when Shaq is in there. Its too busy and usually ends in a to. Post Shaq when he's in. When he's out let Nash roam in and out.

I thought everytime time we posted Shaq something positive happened or almost happened. We got good looks from the shooters. My problem is we don't repost. Shaq is great at getting BETTER position, guys need to be aware to get the ball back to him. They shouldn't be afraid of not seeing the ball again because Shaq is unselfish. He'll kick it out so its in the shooters best interest to get him the ball.

I'm not jumping ship. Against Por/NO we put gr8 1st halves together. Yesterday we put a solid 3 qtrs together. I'm sure we're not far from putting is ALL together.

GO SUNS!

ps - Who is our defense coach? Ivaroni was the bigs but was he D as well? It can't be gentry can it?

 

[mojorizen7]

Suns have to play through the post when Shaq is in. Nash can't be dribbling into the lane when Shaq is in there. Its too busy and usually ends in a to. Post Shaq when he's in. When he's out let Nash roam in and out.

I thought everytime time we posted Shaq something positive happened or almost happened. We got good looks from the shooters. My problem is we don't repost. Shaq is great at getting BETTER position, guys need to be aware to get the ball back to him. They shouldn't be afraid of not seeing the ball again because Shaq is unselfish. He'll kick it out so its in the shooters best interest to get him the ball.

I'm not jumping ship. Against Por/NO we put gr8 1st halves together. Yesterday we put a solid 3 qtrs together. I'm sure we're not far from putting is ALL together.

GO SUNS!

ps - Who is our defense coach? Ivaroni was the bigs but was he D as well? It can't be gentry can it?

"crickets chirping"

 

[Proteus]

At least we did better than the Nuggets are doing vs the Jazz. They're down 108-75 after 3 quarters. The Jazz are shooting 62% with 10/12 3 pointers and the Nuggets 42.6%.