Jerry Sloan: Defense?

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The Jazz have plenty of home cooking in Utah, best in the league so don't be surprised if they win both. Shoot if they could hit open shots they could have took 1 in LA they are missing open shots.

Ok, this is such a dumb argument and I've hated it for years. It used to be a Spurfan refrain...we were "lucky" they missed their open shots. The thing is, if you watch PJ's defensive tendencies, is teams are given open shots outside of their comfort zone. Spots that people love are taken away, and alternatives are given.

For example, we all know that Bruce Bowen can't shoot from ANYWHERE on the court save the two corner three spots. Did you see how many he got and made against the Nooch last night?? Mind boggling. It is the only spot on the floor where he's offensively dangerous. The Lakers always tried to force him to take open elbow jumpers, etc. CLANG. Now, most cases aren't that obvious but when a shooter isn't getting his "money" area to score from and settles for something else, he often will fail...if he fails early, that can snowball. It isn't so much taking away their easy shots...it is making them do something differently...because that is both physical and mental. And when you can get someone mentally, you've got them owned.

When a team misses their "open shots" for a game, they are cold. When they miss them often against a specific team, it is because the defense is doing something to throw them off balance. The Lakers weren't a top 5 FG% against team this season because everyone was off against them. The Lakers give you shots outside of your comfort zone.
 

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Ok, this is such a dumb argument and I've hated it for years. It used to be a Spurfan refrain...we were "lucky" they missed their open shots. The thing is, if you watch PJ's defensive tendencies, is teams are given open shots outside of their comfort zone. Spots that people love are taken away, and alternatives are given.

For example, we all know that Bruce Bowen can't shoot from ANYWHERE on the court save the two corner three spots. Did you see how many he got and made against the Nooch last night?? Mind boggling. It is the only spot on the floor where he's offensively dangerous. The Lakers always tried to force him to take open elbow jumpers, etc. CLANG. Now, most cases aren't that obvious but when a shooter isn't getting his "money" area to score from and settles for something else, he often will fail...if he fails early, that can snowball. It isn't so much taking away their easy shots...it is making them do something differently...because that is both physical and mental. And when you can get someone mentally, you've got them owned.

When a team misses their "open shots" for a game, they are cold. When they miss them often against a specific team, it is because the defense is doing something to throw them off balance. The Lakers weren't a top 5 FG% against team this season because everyone was off against them. The Lakers give you shots outside of your comfort zone.

If one examines points per shot, the lakers were #1 in the NBA, in spite of allowing over 102ppg.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/stati...008&seasontype=3&avg=pg&order=false&split=999

Phoenix is #7 in points per shot, and its interesting to examine the other top teams in pps:

Lakers, celtics, orlando, detroit, houston, new orleans(top 6).

the suns arent as bad as many think in some aspects, utah is near the bottom of the league in points per shot.
 

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I always felt that the Jazz were overrated as a defesnsive team because fouling everyone who is set to get a layup does not actually endi scoring (unless it is Shaq), but it does take it off the opponent's field goal percentage. But this year their percentage was was poor too:

2007-08 61.1%
2006-07 55.5%
2005-06 44.9%
2004-05 45.8%
2003-04 43.2%
2002-03 43.4%
2001-02 44.7%

In 2006-07 the Jazz relied mostly on a 5.2+ rebounding advantage, which was only 3.1 this season. Clearly their success was due mostly to better shooting. and ball hnadling to to Williams.

If I was to guess, the combination of Boozer (short) and Okur (soft) on the inside is not much of defensive combo.
 

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If one examines points per shot, the lakers were #1 in the NBA, in spite of allowing over 102ppg.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/stati...008&seasontype=3&avg=pg&order=false&split=999

Phoenix is #7 in points per shot, and its interesting to examine the other top teams in pps:

Lakers, celtics, orlando, detroit, houston, new orleans(top 6).

the suns arent as bad as many think in some aspects, utah is near the bottom of the league in points per shot.

Wow, I didn't even know that stat existed. Nice find, thanks. :)
 
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Wow, watching game 3 I just have to point out that the UTAH DEFENSE SUCKS ASS. Worse than the Suns easily.
 

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Wow, watching game 3 I just have to point out that the UTAH DEFENSE SUCKS ASS. Worse than the Suns easily.

You're getting this from Game 3? They're killing us on Defense, we have turned the ball over like 10 times in the 2nd quarter alone. How can you say their defense sucks when they are flat out owning the Lakers?

Utah's defense at home is unreal good. The Lakers are a great offensive team, and they are flat shutting us down. The score is a little deceptive, this game is ALL Jazz so far.
 
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You're getting this from Game 3? They're killing us on Defense, we have turned the ball over like 10 times in the 2nd quarter alone. How can you say their defense sucks when they are flat out owning the Lakers?

Utah's defense at home is unreal good. The Lakers are a great offensive team, and they are flat shutting us down. The score is a little deceptive, this game is ALL Jazz so far.

To clarify, they play terrible team defense and don't rotate over very well at all. They can steal and deflect though.. That is where they can get you. Kinda like the Hornets. Oh and the Lakers had MANY wide open 3's and layups in the first half that they missed. If they make even half of those the got the lead.
 

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To clarify, they play terrible team defense and don't rotate over very well at all. They can steal and deflect though.. That is where they can get you. Kinda like the Hornets. Oh and the Lakers had MANY wide open 3's and layups in the first half that they missed. If they make even half of those the got the lead.

Good points. :)
 

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okur, imo, has become very passive in this series. he has wide open 3's when PG is guarding him, but he either passes or tries to drive the lane. its seems like he's changing a good thing at the wrong time.
who comes alive tonight? okur.

go jazz!!!
 

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