Jim Gray reports ...

[sundevilscott]

I can't take this. I really can't. I may as well not go to work tomorrow because I won't do anything.

This needs to be over so I can get back to my normal life. My wife hates me right now.

Yea it gets that way every few months when I have something else big and new like the start of the football season or spring training or LOI day in college football.

 

[azirish]

It certainly sounds like the Taylor and McHale are going to keep playing games until the last second.

IMHO, the Suns have to be prepared to go into next season with the same roster (plus picks and maybe Hill) and simply stare them down. KG can kill any deal he dosn't like and his threat to simply opt out next summer is a killer for them.

It's a risk, but giving in at all is likely to lead to ever increasing demands.

BTW, I think Marion will give in. He may not want to go to Boston, but it would have to better than being blamed for messing up a deal for KG.

At the time he said he did not want to go, the deal was strictly a cap dump to save some luxury tax. I don't think he took it seriously. I know I didn't. But this deal is very serious.

At this point we don't know anything about his attitude since last week. We don't even know if Ainge has been given a chace to talk to him. If the Wolves don't mess it up, I think that should happen soon.

 

[Cheesebeef]

At the time he said he did not want to go, the deal was strictly a cap dump to save some luxury tax. I don't think he took it seriously. I know I didn't. But this deal is very serious.

uh, no it wasn't. at the time he said he didn't want to go, it was right in the middle of the first firestorm regarding a possible three-way deal, a deal you didn't believe really existed and now are continuing to act like didn't exist.

 

[Cheesebeef]

does anyone else realize that in the last two pages, there are TEN threads, with at least 100 posts in them, including a couple 200 plus and a 700 plus.

wow - just wow.

 

[azirish]

uh, no it wasn't. at the time he said he didn't want to go, it was right in the middle of the first firestorm regarding a possible three-way deal, a deal you didn't believe really existed and now are continuing to act like didn't exist.

That's not true. I outlined the threeway deal before anyone else did (go back, it's true). What changed was when I began to hear the Wolves demands. At that point, it became a demand for a "value" trade that would have gutted the Suns rotation and destroyed the Suns chances to win this year.

The three way with Boston ONLY works if the Wolves do a cap dump for picks. The Wolves didn't want Marion and KT. They apparently only wanted a lot of really good rookie contract guys. The effect would be to gut any team dealing with them.

The main thing Boston offers is Ratliff's expiring contract. But how does this get the Wolves what they were asking for? It doesn't even when their best young player is included in the deal. Sure they'd settle for Amare and KT, but the Suns would be insane to give up Amre and carry both KG and Marion's contracts for two years.

So you are right, I did not take those deals seriously. As much as I like KG, I never believed the Suns were prepared to totally gut the team. As long as the Wolves were making insane demands, I had to believe they were just blowing smoke to convince KG they really tried but couldn't make it happen.

This latest nonsense with Atlanta makes me wonder. Do the Wolves management gets the fact that they have more to lose than the Suns if something doesn't happen?

What about Marion? At what point did Marion's agent said he wouldn't go? Was it when the first rumor of the Boston offer was made, was it when the three way deal was discussed, was it when the Jefferson deal was discussed, etc. I don't know because it's not like his agent put out a press release.

When the initial Boston deal was presented (a straight forward cap dump) with the #5, it made sense for Marion to say he didn't want to go to Boston. At the time there were a lot of rumors he wanted out due to comflicts with Amare. Has he said anything since then? Perhaps he really wants to kill the deal because the Celtics aren't very good and it's cold up there. At this point I don't know if that's the case nor if the Suns have tried to change his mind.

If the Gray rumor has any validity, I think the Celtics believe they can convince him.

 

[joshstmarie]

shawn has 1 of 2 choices, go to the celtics and have us all retire his jersey that we own to the back of the closet or in some cases frame it.

OR

he can be known as the KG trade killer and expect a massive jersey burning day in front of "awa" knowwhatimsayin?

 

[Cheesebeef]

That's not true. I outlined the threeway deal before anyone else did (go back, it's true). What changed was when I began to hear the Wolves demands. At that point, it became a demand for a "value" trade that would have gutted the Suns rotation and destroyed the Suns chances to win this year.

The three way with Boston ONLY works if the Wolves do a cap dump for picks. The Wolves didn't want Marion and KT. They apparently only wanted a lot of really good rookie contract guys. The effect would be to gut any team dealing with them.

The main thing Boston offers is Ratliff's expiring contract. But how does this get the Wolves what they were asking for? It doesn't even when their best young player is included in the deal. Sure they'd settle for Amare and KT, but the Suns would be insane to give up Amre and carry both KG and Marion's contracts for two years.

So you are right, I did not take those deals seriously. As much as I like KG, I never believed the Suns were prepared to totally gut the team. As long as the Wolves were making insane demands, I had to believe they were just blowing smoke to convince KG they really tried but couldn't make it happen.

This latest nonsense with Atlanta makes me wonder still whether the Wolves management gets the fact that they have more to lose than the Suns if something doesn't happen.

At what point did Marion's agent said he wouldn't go? Was it when the first rumor of the Boston offer was made, was it when the three way deal was discussed, was it when the Jefferson deal was discussed, etc. I don't know because it's not like his agent put out a press release.

When the initial Boston deal was presented (a straight forward cap dump) with the #5, it made sense for Marion to say he didn't want to go to Boston. At the time there were a lot of rumors he wanted out due to comflicts with Amare. Has he said anything since then?

Perhaps he just wants to kill the deal because the Celtics aren't very good and it's cold up there. At this point I don't know if that's the case.

jesus George - you're just flat out wrong on so many levels here it's not even worth my time to deilneate just how wrong you are.

 

[azirish]

jesus George - you're just flat out wrong.

Gee, that was certainly convincing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Gee, that was certainly convincing.

doesn't need to be - your post does all the convincing that needs to be done all by itself. my post was more rhetorical than anything else.

 

[Gee!]

Haha if this goes down I CANT WAIT to email Mark Asher and John Gambo and rub it in that I was right and they were wrong.
They were saying that it would definately be Amare for KG and not Marion and that Amare + KG is impossible salary wise.

When I tried to argue with Asher he kept writing back sarcastic emails "You win", "You are right"... l

How ironic coming from the dude that posts non stop trade propsals about the Suns.. Guess you and Gambo have something in common by your logic.. Throw enuff crap at the wall something bound to stick..

Cant believe you actually gonna boast when you get one right (if it happens).. You? lol, YOU?

 

[Gee!]

just to add more smoke to the fire.

my "guy" just text me about an hour ago and said sarver/griffen/kerr are all at dinner..

he said basically suns are getting cats pick marion to boston for #5 and those 2 picks and atls next year for KG


thats the MEAT part of it..dunno about fillers.

thats what he told me about an hour ago now. for whatever its worth.

if you want to know who my "guy" is, check my post history in the big "source from minnesota board says KG..."

i got yelled at last time i put crap on here...but i think enough stuff has leaked out that it should ight. ( 3rd hand info)

I tend to believe you more than anyone.. You at least follow it up with a conscience effort to say you dont know and cite 3rd hand knowledge..

 

[slinslin]

Don't think there is a way for us to get the Cats pick without giving up Atlantas. That is unless we use Barbosa and Banks maybe for #8. Or Diaw and Atlantas pick for #8.

Boston trades Ratliff, Telfair, #5
Boston receives Marion

Charlotte trades #8
Charlotte gets Diaw #29, Atlanta 2008

Minnesota trades KG
Minnesota gets Ratliff, Thomas, Telfair, #5, #8

Phoenix trades Marion, Thomas, Diaw, Atlanta 2008, #29

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I think if we get garnett we will definitely be keeping diaw. Assuming he doesnt lay another egg this season, his selfless playmaking abilities will only help the team, especially with two solid options under the rim.

 

[Gee!]

Don't think there is a way for us to get the Cats pick without giving up Atlantas. That is unless we use Barbosa and Banks maybe for #8. Or Diaw and Atlantas pick for #8.

Boston trades Ratliff, Telfair, #5
Boston receives Marion

Charlotte trades #8
Charlotte gets Diaw #29, Atlanta 2008

Minnesota trades KG
Minnesota gets Ratliff, Thomas, Telfair, #5, #8

Phoenix trades Marion, Thomas, Diaw, Atlanta 2008, #29

See this exact thing Im talking bout.. How many trade scenarios have you thrown out? Its exhausting to the point I quit reading your posts.. It seems you dont comment on the games but rather go off on trades.. From what Ive seen youve had 85% of the NBA in a Suns uni.. blah, this aint fast times at Rdgemount High and this the Autobaun..

Chill...

 

[sly fly]

Don't friggen trade Amare to the ATL or any other team!!!!

Man, what a way to have to start my Wednesday morning... having to worry about something like this all day... lol.

 

[B-Dogg]

Anything short of us receiving KG and somehow Al horford I will not trade Amare for, and Im not sure I would make that deal. Amare is the real deal he is going to be phenomenal this year please please do not trade him...

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Anything short of us receiving KG and somehow Al horford I will not trade Amare for, and Im not sure I would make that deal. Amare is the real deal he is going to be phenomenal this year please please do not trade him...

Welcome to the KG/Horford wagon....

Amare goes if and only if we get BOTH those guys, period, no exceptions....

 

[Divide Et Impera]

BTW - Horford will turn out to be AT LEAST Horace Grant with better offense, so him WITH KG is a PERFECT match....

 

[Folster]

Welcome to the KG/Horford wagon....

Amare goes if and only if we get BOTH those guys, period, no exceptions....

I'm on as well, except I'm not particular about Horford. I just think that Amare for KG doesn't fly without at least the #7 coming here if not #3.

 

[dodie53]

amare and KG is the perfect match..
=)

 

[devilalum]

If half these rumors are true it sounds like our new tag team of Sarver/Kerr are trade crazy. If you have a plan to improve your team fine but just throwing out one idea after another like this seems really irresponsible. No matter what happens there's goinna be a lot of damage control to be done after the draft.

The thing is we'll never find out how many of these rumors are true and how many are fiction.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

If half these rumors are true it sounds like our new tag team of Sarver/Kerr are trade crazy. If you have a plan to improve your team fine but just throwing out one idea after another like this seems really irresponsible. No matter what happens there's goinna be a lot of damage control to be done after the draft.

The thing is we'll never find out how many of these rumors are true and how many are fiction.

Who said that they are throwing out these ideas and rumors? They very well may be saying "Let these fools think what they want to think, it is entertaining. We know that we are just going to go after some cap/tax relief. We are too close to mess with it."

I don't really think that they should mess with much. If they can replace Marion and a scrub or two with KG - fine. Nothing more from us.

Edit: I don't mean to say that you said the rumors we coming from Sarver/Kerr....

 

[Chris_Sanders]

BTW - Horford will turn out to be AT LEAST Horace Grant with better offense, so him WITH KG is a PERFECT match....

Until you realize that Horford is concerned with his stats and wants to be option 1 on his team. That's straight from someone who has worked with him in his locker room.

 

[dbUNIT16]

I agree that Amare cannot go! We can get younger somewhere, but not in two positions. If Amare and Shawn were leave and we got KG and Horford I would be pissed. That's not going to cut it. If we got KG and Amare, ok, Horford, Amare and KG.. okay, shawn, amare, horford... okay... I would be upset not ending up with one of the above cobminations. We can't be trading all-stars for rookies, Nash only has 1-2 years left in the tank!

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

The word out of Boston is that this is all bunk. That no trade is going down involving Boston and Marion...

http://celtics.bostonherald.com/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1008449&srvc=sports