Jimmer won't be there at #13.

[JCSunsfan]

Jimmer, biyombo, faried. I really like those players. Jimmer is the real deal. Teams that pass on him will regret it.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Getting rid of The Dragon and #24 for Waterbug Brooks don't look too hot right now... if they resign him I'll be surprised.

If they don't resign him, then this was another way to not pay a first round pick.

 

[Griffin]

If they don't resign him, then this was another way to not pay a first round pick.

True, and if they draft a PG at #13 they will certainly not re-sign him.

That pick could have been very useful too. Imagine a draft where we get Fredette or perhaps Burks at #13 and then grab Faried or even Biyombo who may fall this far at #23. Alas, the Suns once again have proven they don't value draft picks a whole lot.

 

[Folster]

If they don't resign him, then this was another way to not pay a first round pick.

That's ridiculous. The 24th pick last year was Damion James. He made $1.16 mil this year and is slotted for 1.24 million next year. First round salaries are only guaranteed for 2 years. After that the team can decide not to pick up their option much like the Suns did with Earl Clark. Compared to our free agent/trade acquisitions last offseason, a first round pick is down-right pocket change.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

That's ridiculous. The 24th pick last year was Damion James. He made $1.16 mil this year and is slotted for 1.24 million next year. First round salaries are only guaranteed for 2 years. After that the team can decide not to pick up their option much like the Suns did with Earl Clark. Compared to our free agent/trade acquisitions last offseason, a first round pick is down-right pocket change.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/suns-fo-should-be-embarrassed-167241-3.html

I let history speak for itself. It will be hard to see an unsigned Brooks as anything other than "cost savings" considering Dragic's Salary + the Pick.

 

[JCSunsfan]

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/suns-fo-should-be-embarrassed-167241-3.html

I let history speak for itself. It will be hard to see an unsigned Brooks as anything other than "cost savings" considering Dragic's Salary + the Pick.

I think they really liked brooks, and really wanted to move dragic. They also want to be free to move nash if the right situation presents itself.

 

[az jam]

True, and if they draft a PG at #13 they will certainly not re-sign him.

That pick could have been very useful too. Imagine a draft where we get Fredette or perhaps Burks at #13 and then grab Faried or even Biyombo who may fall this far at #23. Alas, the Suns once again have proven they don't value draft picks a whole lot.

They also could have packaged both picks to move up. Typical stupid front office dealings by the Suns.

 

[AzStevenCal]

They also could have packaged both picks to move up. Typical stupid front office dealings by the Suns.

The Suns front office has made plenty of blunders during the Sarver run but I just don't think this one qualifies. Yes, it now looks to be a mistake and it will cost us the opportunity to draft a player that would have an outside chance at helping us now and in the future. However, we were killing Nash because our backup point guard was playing horribly and we thought we were in a playoff chase. The deal made sense at the time, IMO, even though there were several people here who disliked it from the start.

As for using our late 1st rounder to move into a better slot, just how far up the drafting order do you think we could move by including Orlando's pick? I'm not sure that the 23rd pick added to the 13th pick would even get us inside the top 10. I'd still like to have that 2nd pick available right now but it's hardly a big loss and I can't fault the organization for TRYING to make the team better.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

As for using our late 1st rounder to move into a better slot, just how far up the drafting order do you think we could move by including Orlando's pick? I'm not sure that the 23rd pick added to the 13th pick would even get us inside the top 10. I'd still like to have that 2nd pick available right now but it's hardly a big loss and I can't fault the organization for TRYING to make the team better.

Steve

Sometimes a team only has to move up two or three notches to get a player they covet. A second first round pick might get you there.

 

[az jam]

My major gripe is that the Suns just don't value draft picks. The last good player that they drafted and kept was Amare in 2002.

 

[D-Dogg]

Fraudette not being there at 13 would be a blessing for your team.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Sometimes a team only has to move up two or three notches to get a player they covet. A second first round pick might get you there.

I completely agree. I wish we still had that second 1st rounder, either to move up a spot or two or to double our chances that we could find a player that might turn out to be a hidden gem. Still, I will not fault the organization for taking a gamble to try and improve the team.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

My major gripe is that the Suns just don't value draft picks. The last good player that they drafted and kept was Amare in 2002.

Without a doubt, this organization made some horrible decisions involving draft picks. I think (perhaps, I hope) they have learned their lesson and that the selling of draft picks is in the past. And I have no problem with the way they used the Orlando pick. They didn't sell it, they used it to try and get a player that they coveted. At the moment, this appears to have been a bad decision but I think it was done for the right reasons.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

Without a doubt, this organization made some horrible decisions involving draft picks. I think (perhaps, I hope) they have learned their lesson and that the selling of draft picks is in the past. And I have no problem with the way they used the Orlando pick. They didn't sell it, they used it to try and get a player that they coveted. At the moment, this appears to have been a bad decision but I think it was done for the right reasons.

Steve

I'm sorry, the Suns should be graded on results not intent at this late date under the Sarver era. The free dance is over as I view it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm sorry, the Suns should be graded on results not intent at this late date under the Sarver era. The free dance is over as I view it.

agreed.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm sorry, the Suns should be graded on results not intent at this late date under the Sarver era. The free dance is over as I view it.

So then, what do you recommend - never take a chance, never try and improve your team? Keep in mind, at the time of this trade we looked to be capable of making it to the playoffs with a little good fortune. Pivotal to that good fortune was finding a way to keep Nash fresh. Dragic was playing at an incredibly low level and Brooks was just an ankle injury and a few months removed from being a very effective player.

I hated a lot of what this organization has done in recent years but this just wasn't one of the stupid decisions IMO. Letting Amare walk (for nothing) may have been somewhat forced on us but keeping Nash once Amare was gone was all on us. It was stupid, I said so then and I'll keep saying it. The moment Stat was gone we should have paid the price and started moving assets. Now, having failed to do this, putting some effort into making the playoffs is pretty much a no-brainer. They had to try something.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

So then, what do you recommend - never take a chance, never try and improve your team?

You know this is not my intent. Like baseball, I expect the Suns to hit at least .300.

Keep in mind, at the time of this trade we looked to be capable of making it to the playoffs with a little good fortune. Pivotal to that good fortune was finding a way to keep Nash fresh. Dragic was playing at an incredibly low level and Brooks was just an ankle injury and a few months removed from being a very effective player.

The Suns were going nowhere anyway even if they made the playoffs. At least make the trade straight up and not include a first round pick even if Houston was using Flynn as leverage.

I hated a lot of what this organization has done in recent years but this just wasn't one of the stupid decisions IMO. Letting Amare walk (for nothing) may have been somewhat forced on us but keeping Nash once Amare was gone was all on us. It was stupid, I said so then and I'll keep saying it. The moment Stat was gone we should have paid the price and started moving assets. Now, having failed to do this, putting some effort into making the playoffs is pretty much a no-brainer. They had to try something.

I'm sorry, throwing mud at the wall and hoping it sticks doesn't count in my books. The Suns have not drafted and kept any quality players since Amare. Then they let him walk for nothing. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.

 

[Irish]

If being a GM was easy, there would not be so manny lottery teams that stay down year after year nor so few championship teams.

There have been some articles about sports in the Valley and the conclusion is that this is a terrible sports town. Nobody is from here and there aren't multifeneational fans like back east. They'll follow their team no matter what. But in Phoenix, they will only support a winner and even winners take a while to get recognized. The result is an obsession by the front office with ALWAYS being competative, even at the expense of good draft picks.

The small market teams that do well often have far few people from the rest of the country. As the only game in town, teams like the Spurs,Trailblazers, Thunder, Grizzlies, etc. can afford to tank a season or two without a radical drop in attendance. Not Phoenix.

From a basketbll standpoint, this drives me crazy. But I guess we will be stuck with that.

 

[jagu]

I'd love to see Fredette on the Suns. He's struggled with his shot but he could be molded into a good PG and the Kings have guards ahead of him blocking him. The Kings really have no use for him. He could get good playing time on the Suns as the backup PG.

I think he could be a good guard in the NBA in the near future.