Could be HIghtower? Could be someone not yet on the team. Who knows. Expecting any back to get 4.0 per carry on this team is expecting a lot. It certainly wouldnt be JJ in full time roll. The last 3 years speak for themselves.
JJ Arrington to Broncos
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Could be HIghtower? Could be someone not yet on the team. Who knows. Expecting any back to get 4.0 per carry on this team is expecting a lot. It certainly wouldnt be JJ in full time roll. The last 3 years speak for themselves.
IAWarnerFan
Warnerphile, but a Cards fan!
Agreed! I'd rather have J.J. right now!
splitsecond
ASFN Addict
I kind of agree. Remember how good he was supposed to be when we drafted him? It took him until this year, when we had developed a fairly extensive set of offensive weapons, to really become effective.
He'll get 4 YPC in Denver.
Nada. To soft. Their line aint what it used to be and Likely wont be Shanahans system anymore.
Unsterblich856
Hall of Famer
No deals have been signed yet. Arizona still has a chance to keep Arrington if Rod Graves gives him a new contract in time.
...He's gone.
...He's gone.
IAWarnerFan
Warnerphile, but a Cards fan!
Give him a new contract. GET IT DONE!
Too soft...uhm, it isn't his rookie year. That excuse flew back then, but he hasn't been soft for quite some time now.
Tatum Bell and Selvin Young get 5.2 YPC...JJ will get more than 4. In his limited action last year he got 6 YPC, and through his AZ career he averaged 3.6.
He had the most carries last year since his rookie season (the year he was soft) and he didn't run soft at all.
Not that I think we need to keep him; we wouldn't use him and he doesn't fit a pound it kind of game that I think Whis wants to install. He's the classic case of a guy needing a change of scenery.
Unsterblich856
Hall of Famer
Why not? He may not be an every down back, but he is a good pass catcher, screen runner, and was 11th best KO returner. Steve Breaston has been ineffective at kick returner since making the transition to slot.
Please god no!
KR is the biggest loss we have in JJ leaving. HUGE, imo. Then the screen pass and short pass, where he was excelling (and pass catching had been a weakness of his..he really improved that).
IAWarnerFan
Warnerphile, but a Cards fan!
We should offer him a contract based on how he played last year. If Denver offers him more, then I'm not as upset about it.
Please god no!
moklerman
Rise from the Ashes III
Denver isn't the running team that we all have become accustomed to. Gibbs was the cog in that machine and he's been gone for a couple years now and it won't be a big surprise to see them become more of a passing team under their new coach. JJ and Buckhalter are being targeted but I don't think either of them is going to explode like Terrel Davis, Mike Anderson, Reuben Droughns, etc.
I think JJ never really was right for what the Cardinals tried to get him to do and he may not be good enough to make a bad line look good but I think he could be a good back in the right system.
Losing a 3rd string RB and middle of the road KR isn't terribly worrisome on it's own but it's becoming more likely that the offense will be completely blown up by the time free agency is over.
Boldin, Warner, James, JJ and...? are possible departures. With Breaston moving to full time WR duty(I assume) in that scenario it's going to be real interesting to see what this team has in store.
I think JJ never really was right for what the Cardinals tried to get him to do and he may not be good enough to make a bad line look good but I think he could be a good back in the right system.
Losing a 3rd string RB and middle of the road KR isn't terribly worrisome on it's own but it's becoming more likely that the offense will be completely blown up by the time free agency is over.
Boldin, Warner, James, JJ and...? are possible departures. With Breaston moving to full time WR duty(I assume) in that scenario it's going to be real interesting to see what this team has in store.
HEs soft. Look how he runs and then look at Timmay. No comparison. Hes VERY soft in fact. Denver isnt the team they have been anyway you slice it. JJ sucks face it!
IAWarnerFan
Warnerphile, but a Cards fan!
They are two different type running backs. Agree that Hightower is more of a pounder, but Arrington is a better receiving RB and STer.HEs soft. Look how he runs and then look at Timmay. No comparison. Hes VERY soft in fact. Denver isnt the team they have been anyway you slice it. JJ sucks face it!
CAlling him a better reciever is a stretch as well. Can you think of how many balls hightower dropped? I cant. I also can remember many many key and clutch TD's and catches in key situations especially in the playoffs where Timmy showed his metal on screen passes. He is a helluva receiver.
overseascardfan
ASFN Addict
His loss hurts but guys like Ian Johnson, James Davis and Marlon Lucky are guys that I like in Round 3. We do not necessarily have to take a RB in Round 1, my preference would be either Sintim or English, Eric Wood in Round 2.
AntSports Steve
Cardinals Future GM
Notice that Denver signed both JJ and Buckhalter. JJ is most likely still going to be just a 3rd down back in Denver.
I also think his contract is going to be way more than his value. I'm guessing that once everyone sees his contract they will change there tune and start saying that Denver overpaid.
I also think his contract is going to be way more than his value. I'm guessing that once everyone sees his contract they will change there tune and start saying that Denver overpaid.
IAWarnerFan
Warnerphile, but a Cards fan!
I hope you're right. There's still time to offer him something tho, so Denver has to outbid it.
Ya you do that buddy.. No broncos RB has done jack for a few years now.. Your about two years late on this theory.. Once Kubiak left, its been downhill with it all comming to a ahead with Shanny's firing this year..
IAWarnerFan
Warnerphile, but a Cards fan!
Want to bet that's a good thing for them?
perivolaki
perivolaki
JJ reminds me of Michael Pittman in the way he runs, in a straight line as fast as he can. The guy has no vision. Even those screen passes he looked good on could have been better if he had some wiggle to him. When he caught those screens he would run in a straight line till someone hit him. With some moves he would have been a great third down back. I think that's why Whiz didn't want him. I think they think they can upgrade.
The bottom line on Arrington: His official role was of third-down back, but he never played on third down unless he was running a route because he couldn't pass block. The role went to Edge, who can still chip with the best of them.
Arrington played in a tight formation, play-action offense in college. He wasn't asked to sit in shot gun and pick up the extra blitzer. As much as he improved in his time here, I suspect he's hit his potential and his productivity with the Cards would not equal what he's going to make elsewhere (Denver, wherever).
For those looking at the draft to fill this position, McCoy wouldn't be what I would call an immediate solution, either. He played in a bass-ackwards offense in Pitt and didn't learn stellar pass blocking critical to the offense. Moreno might be, though. He did a fair job and Georgia used a lot of shot gun in their offense. If Javon Ringer drops into, say, the fourth or fifth round, there's your sleeper back who can fill that role probably better than Arrington just by showing up. It also gets Edge off the field on third down.
Arrington played in a tight formation, play-action offense in college. He wasn't asked to sit in shot gun and pick up the extra blitzer. As much as he improved in his time here, I suspect he's hit his potential and his productivity with the Cards would not equal what he's going to make elsewhere (Denver, wherever).
For those looking at the draft to fill this position, McCoy wouldn't be what I would call an immediate solution, either. He played in a bass-ackwards offense in Pitt and didn't learn stellar pass blocking critical to the offense. Moreno might be, though. He did a fair job and Georgia used a lot of shot gun in their offense. If Javon Ringer drops into, say, the fourth or fifth round, there's your sleeper back who can fill that role probably better than Arrington just by showing up. It also gets Edge off the field on third down.
Totally_Red
Air Raid Warning!
Where do you get that Arrington is not a good pass blocker? He was the best on the team in that regard last season, far better than Hightower and better than James. Edge's heart hasn't been in pass protection since he got to Arizona.
For whatever reason the Cardinals coaching staff didn't like J.J. That was evident when he wasn't active for the first four games. I thought he was a decent slightly above average kick returner. He's replaceable.
Perfectionist
Objectively Correct
Would the Cards make a move at Derrick Ward?
It seems to me JJ has been an under achiever every since the Cards signed him. He would have flashes of brillance, but would always takes steps backwards. He can be replaced.
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