JJ Watt

azsouthendzone · Sep 19, 2021

cardjunkie said:
Was he getting double teamed today? Wasn’t looking at him. If so, there’s value to that.

Yes, pretty much every play.

FB94 · Sep 19, 2021

Thought he was fine. Rewatched the game and Allen was getting pushed off the ball all game. Our cut back pursuit was terrible most of the game.

FB94 · Sep 19, 2021

Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
But that means that both he and chandler were being doubled and no one else reached the QB? That would mean everyone else we trotted out there are just hot garbage.

This is correct. Rewatched the game and the Vikings would often double team Jones and Watt. The middle of our DLine was pushed around most of the game with poor cutback pursuit.

AZfaninMN · Sep 20, 2021

the Vikings ran to the opposite side of JJ all game, which is why he was a non factor most the game. His pass rush isn’t good though. Zach Allen was awful today and gave every cutback lane that Cook took.

Garthshort · Sep 20, 2021

I feel that when we get Dennis Gardeck back, our defense/pass rush will look much better.

PACardsFan · Sep 20, 2021

The Vikings OL has tremendous upside. Wait until their 1st rounder gets back. As a team last week, the Vikings had like 14 penalties for 130 yards. Otherwise, they would have beaten the Bengals by 3 touchdowns. Zimmer is a great coach & had them totally focused today. I’ll put a TON of money on this team to win next week & then get on a roll.

BritCard · Sep 20, 2021

What's the criteria for being "done"?

If it's the stat sheet then out whole interior D line is done.

Personally I think he's done well. Made some splash plays nobody else on the interior can make. And have to remember he's still gelling. Still getting 100% comfortable and learning to play with new guys.

Russ Smith · Sep 20, 2021

I thought he played well and drew attention we just need more from Allen. Both Peters and JJ had big hits on Cook that took him out for a few plays, big clean hits.

And yes so far losing Reddick looks bad, 3 sacks so far, with Gardeck out it would be nice to have a designated pass rusher like Reddick to go to for help when they double Chandler Jones.

BritCard · Sep 20, 2021

DVontel said:
Zach Allen was basically hugging the OLine all day. It was pathetic.

Last year Vance said Zach Allen had took a step up and he didn't. This year he got more hype from Vance saying he was "fully grown".

Allen is pure JAG. I don't know how he gets so many snaps. Dogbe is better than Allen. Allen is our worst iDL in my opinion.

Ouchie-Z-Clown · Sep 20, 2021

FB94 said:
This is correct. Rewatched the game and the Vikings would often double team Jones and Watt. The middle of our DLine was pushed around most of the game with poor cutback pursuit.

Man that’s pathetic then. Allen, fotu, and Lawrence just wasted picks then. Did philips play?

RON_IN_OC · Sep 20, 2021

Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
Man that’s pathetic then. Allen, fotu, and Lawrence just wasted picks then. Did philips play?

Lawrence and Fotu at least got in the backfield once...They just need to be more consistent. Allen sux and is easily the weakest link. If you double Watt and Jones, you can still get a chip on Peters, Lotu and/or Lawrence (whomever is in there), knowing that Allen will never sniff the backfield, regardless of who's guarding him.

Russ Smith · Sep 20, 2021

Really hard to judge lineman by just stats if you don't know the scheme. I thought he was overrated pre draft and I still do now but Javon Kinlaw had 1 tackle yesterday, an assist, no sacks, but the coaches are just raving about having him back in. Had 2 pressures, blocked a FG and they are saying he was absolutely critical in their goalline stand

Watt to me is doing his job we just need more from the guys in the middle with him.

Shane · Sep 20, 2021

PACardsFan said:
The Vikings OL has tremendous upside. Wait until their 1st rounder gets back. As a team last week, the Vikings had like 14 penalties for 130 yards. Otherwise, they would have beaten the Bengals by 3 touchdowns. Zimmer is a great coach & had them totally focused today. I’ll put a TON of money on this team to win next week & then get on a roll.

I hope you’re right they play Seattle

PACardsFan · Sep 20, 2021

Shane said:
I hope you’re right they play Seattle

Seattle will have their hands full trying to stop the Viking offense. And the MN DLine will come after Wilson hard. Isn’t it odd that the Seahawks have been better on the road the last few years than at home???

ajcardfan · Sep 20, 2021

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Russ Smith said:
Really hard to judge lineman by just stats if you don't know the scheme. I thought he was overrated pre draft and I still do now but Javon Kinlaw had 1 tackle yesterday, an assist, no sacks, but the coaches are just raving about having him back in. Had 2 pressures, blocked a FG and they are saying he was absolutely critical in their goalline stand

Watt to me is doing his job we just need more from the guys in the middle with him.

You would've considered me as overrating Kinlaw then. He was my choice for #1 pick. But, I never thought we had a chance at Simmons in that draft.

ajcardfan · Sep 20, 2021

MaoTosiFanClub said:
Biggest clown/attention hore in the NFL. Could’ve kept Calais for his entire career instead stuck got stuck with this guy and Nkemdiche.

So, tell us the story about Watt and your sister....

Russ Smith · Sep 20, 2021

ajcardfan said:
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You would've considered me as overrating Kinlaw then. He was my choice for #1 pick. But, I never thought we had a chance at Simmons in that draft.

Yeah he was the classic looks like Tarzan plays like Jane to me didn't make enough plays. But he apparently made a HUGE difference in the 49ers defense yesterday from what I'm seeing online from their staff.

We will see him in game 5.

MadCardDisease · Sep 20, 2021

WisconsinCard said:
With CJ getting double teamed Watt and company should have been feasting.

JJ Watt was getting double teamed most of the game. Chandler on a few occasions got chipped but was one on one most of the game if blocked at all.

Watch the defensive series from this(click "Watch on Youtube"), you can clearly see Watt getting double teamed almost every play:

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BritCard · Sep 20, 2021

Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
Man that’s pathetic then. Allen, fotu, and Lawrence just wasted picks then. Did philips play?

Phillips is on IR. He should be back soon.

Ouchie-Z-Clown · Sep 20, 2021

MadCardDisease said:
JJ Watt was getting double teamed most of the game. Chandler on a few occasions got chipped but was one on one most of the game if blocked at all.

Watch the defensive series from this(click "Watch on Youtube"), you can clearly see Watt getting double teamed almost every play:

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Other posters claimed jones was doubled or chipped all day.

slanidrac16 · Sep 20, 2021

I saw Watt getting doubled but the real problem was the d-line would flow in the direction of the play. Then the Vikings were getting blockers to the second tier. I saw Hicks literally get pushed back 10 yards. While all that was happening Cook would cut back.

MadCardDisease · Sep 20, 2021

Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
Other posters claimed jones was doubled or chipped all day.

If you watch the film Jones wasn't doubled or chipped at all. In fact they blocked Jones with just a FB or TE a good part of the first half while Watt was the one who got Double teamed.

Here are a few examples.

2nd play of the second drive and Jones is completely ignored by the RT. Jones is then picked up by the FB who is able to wall him off from Cook one-on-one. Meanwhile Watt is getting double teamed.