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We 'salemen' are honest enough to recognize that the truth is not always at the forefront of a transaction. It's only the legal profession that feels the need to constantly wrap themselves in one oath or another, proclaiming their undying values. It's pure BS. I've met dozens of lawyers in my life, and truth be known, I didn't trust any of them. I wouldn't consider any of them honorable. I found most repulsive. I have absolutely no friends that are members of that profession.

Agents and lawyers. Lawyers and agents. Both say they are only looking for the common good of a client, yet both with twist and fabricate to any stretch of the imagination in order to 'win'. There is no honor in that. The only idiots I know are the ones that are members of that slimey group, who kid themselves into believing they are somehow valuable to society. They are parasites at best.

As you say, back to sports. I don't give players a pass when their agent steps in and obviously lies to the world, knowing it to be nothing more than that. I think the player shows a cowardice by not facing situations without the 'mouth piece'. The agent who is only there to 'deflect', is really only there to do what they do best...lie.


after this post i will never reply to one of your posts again. you're an idiot to generalize as you have done. you're officially on ignore. i don't need to read such ridiculous unfounded disparaging remarks.
 

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Lars the Red said:
We 'salemen' are honest enough to recognize that the truth is not always at the forefront of a transaction. It's only the legal profession that feels the need to constantly wrap themselves in one oath or another, proclaiming their undying values. It's pure BS. I've met dozens of lawyers in my life, and truth be known, I didn't trust any of them. I wouldn't consider any of them honorable. I found most repulsive. I have absolutely no friends that are members of that profession.

Agents and lawyers. Lawyers and agents. Both say they are only looking for the common good of a client, yet both with twist and fabricate to any stretch of the imagination in order to 'win'. There is no honor in that. The only idiots I know are the ones that are members of that slimey group, who kid themselves into believing they are somehow valuable to society. They are parasites at best.

As you say, back to sports. I don't give players a pass when their agent steps in and obviously lies to the world, knowing it to be nothing more than that. I think the player shows a cowardice by not facing situations without the 'mouth piece'. The agent who is only there to 'deflect', is really only there to do what they do best...lie.

Thanks for the insult. I have nothing nice to say to you.
 

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zing, zing!


The last time the cardinals message board got this heated I had spilled my coffee on the keyboard.
 

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is now a good time to mention I generally distrust the French? and anyone who is in the auto repair industry?
 

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Lars the Red said:
We 'salemen' are honest enough to recognize that the truth is not always at the forefront of a transaction. It's only the legal profession that feels the need to constantly wrap themselves in one oath or another, proclaiming their undying values. It's pure BS. I've met dozens of lawyers in my life, and truth be known, I didn't trust any of them. I wouldn't consider any of them honorable. I found most repulsive. I have absolutely no friends that are members of that profession.

Agents and lawyers. Lawyers and agents. Both say they are only looking for the common good of a client, yet both with twist and fabricate to any stretch of the imagination in order to 'win'. There is no honor in that. The only idiots I know are the ones that are members of that slimey group, who kid themselves into believing they are somehow valuable to society. They are parasites at best.

As you say, back to sports. I don't give players a pass when their agent steps in and obviously lies to the world, knowing it to be nothing more than that. I think the player shows a cowardice by not facing situations without the 'mouth piece'. The agent who is only there to 'deflect', is really only there to do what they do best...lie.


Possibly one of the most ignorant posts to grace this board since I was a member.
 

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Oh that just tears me up. I am officially being ignored by the galant members of the bar. :biglaugh:

Thank freakin' God! Ass clowns, the lot.

Lars the Red, I wrote and then just now deleted a post mocking you--an insurance salesman--for mocking lawyers (not that there's anything wrong with selling insurance per se, but it's not like your vocation gives you the traction to ridicule most other vocations, including mine). You see, I re-read your posts, and it's obvious you once had a bad experience with an attorney--whether your ex-wife took you to the cleaners, or you got sued for selling somebody an ineffective policy, or you couldn't dodge a solicitation rap, I don't know. Anyway, it's obviously gotten you out of sorts, and quite frankly you're acting pretty immature and embarassing yourself in the process. I assume it's out of character--no insurance salesman I've ever known has acted like such a petulant child, for any reason--so on behalf of all attorneys everywhere, for the horrible experience you've obviously gone through, I apologize.
 

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this thread has shown me that the occupations of posters here skews heavily towards lawyers!
 

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I would be curious to know the education level of posters on this board.

There seem to be some quality posting and writing, so I am just curious.

Any volunteers?
 

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Still in college majoring in Economics and Math.

Plan on attending law school, taking the LSATs in a couple months.


Right now I do heavy work in basketball with a scouting firm. My goal is to become an agent or bball ops staff member shortly after finishing all my school
 

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Lars the Red, I wrote and then just now deleted a post mocking you--an insurance salesman--for mocking lawyers (not that there's anything wrong with selling insurance per se, but it's not like your vocation gives you the traction to ridicule most other vocations, including mine). You see, I re-read your posts, and it's obvious you once had a bad experience with an attorney--whether your ex-wife took you to the cleaners, or you got sued for selling somebody an ineffective policy, or you couldn't dodge a solicitation rap, I don't know. Anyway, it's obviously gotten you out of sorts, and quite frankly you're acting pretty immature and embarassing yourself in the process. I assume it's out of character--no insurance salesman I've ever known has acted like such a petulant child, for any reason--so on behalf of all attorneys everywhere, for the horrible experience you've obviously gone through, I apologize.

I've dealt with lawyers on more occasions than I care to think about. Nothing to do with my wife, I'm happily married. Nothing to do with getting sued, I've actually won both times I represented myself in court.

No, my dealings came in several other settings. Such as insurance claims. I've actually recorded statements from people making insurance claims that they were told by lawyers to blatantly lie about their injuries, the facts of an accident, and subsequent mental trauma they were attempting to profit from. I've had beers with a couple of classics here in the valley that pride themselves in their method of 'coaching' DUI suspects, manipulating court dates in a effort to have an officer fail to show, all in an attempt to have charges dropped. This done while knowing everything they are saying is false and may help a drunk put innocent victims at risk. I watched a close friend, who was brutally raped and left for dead by a couple of charming fellows here in Phoenix, get absolutely abused during court by a smug little prick, who completely manipulated the system and got those asses off. To this day, I would gladly pull that guys arms off and beat him to death with them if given the opportunity.

You boys keep kidding yourselves that what you do has anything noble about it. Keep tell us that your honorable people in an honorable profession. Your ranking last I checked was just above car salesman and just below insurance salesman in the trust poll among citizens. I've never been overly impressed with one's ability to make it through law school and pass the bar. I've met too many social retards and complete idiots who managed to be able to do that. I could have easily gone to law school. I had the grades and the financial ability to afford it. Even in college, I didn't think much of that profession. We had several law school grads working in claims because it was the only work they could find. All that L. A. Law craze that had everyone thinking being a lawyer was somehow cool gorged the market and you couldn't swing a dead cat without smacking a lawyer. Which is fine use of a dead cat.

As for my profession, I'm not actually an agent. I'm currently doing audits on agents to make sure they aren't doing unprofessional things that give our industry a bad name. See we don't circle the wagons to protect our own, like some do. So far, I've found them all to be doing things properly. I'm sure I'll find someone dancing in the gray areas, but that won't last long.

You boys might be solid Card fans, and for that, I'm happy. Unfortunately, I think your profession blows.
 

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Lars the Red said:
I've dealt with lawyers on more occasions than I care to think about. Nothing to do with my wife, I'm happily married. Nothing to do with getting sued, I've actually won both times I represented myself in court.

No, my dealings came in several other settings. Such as insurance claims. I've actually recorded statements from people making insurance claims that they were told by lawyers to blatantly lie about their injuries, the facts of an accident, and subsequent mental trauma they were attempting to profit from. I've had beers with a couple of classics here in the valley that pride themselves in their method of 'coaching' DUI suspects, manipulating court dates in a effort to have an officer fail to show, all in an attempt to have charges dropped. This done while knowing everything they are saying is false and may help a drunk put innocent victims at risk. I watched a close friend, who was brutally raped and left for dead by a couple of charming fellows here in Phoenix, get absolutely abused during court by a smug little prick, who completely manipulated the system and got those asses off. To this day, I would gladly pull that guys arms off and beat him to death with them if given the opportunity.

You boys keep kidding yourselves that what you do has anything noble about it. Keep tell us that your honorable people in an honorable profession. Your ranking last I checked was just above car salesman and just below insurance salesman in the trust poll among citizens. I've never been overly impressed with one's ability to make it through law school and pass the bar. I've met too many social retards and complete idiots who managed to be able to do that. I could have easily gone to law school. I had the grades and the financial ability to afford it. Even in college, I didn't think much of that profession. We had several law school grads working in claims because it was the only work they could find. All that L. A. Law craze that had everyone thinking being a lawyer was somehow cool gorged the market and you couldn't swing a dead cat without smacking a lawyer. Which is fine use of a dead cat.

As for my profession, I'm not actually an agent. I'm currently doing audits on agents to make sure they aren't doing unprofessional things that give our industry a bad name. See we don't circle the wagons to protect our own, like some do. So far, I've found them all to be doing things properly. I'm sure I'll find someone dancing in the gray areas, but that won't last long.

You boys might be solid Card fans, and for that, I'm happy. Unfortunately, I think your profession blows.

ignorant. do not blame people that fill a need. that's too reactionary. the system allows it and there is a demand. the reason this exists in society is because society wants it. if everyone saw lawyers as you do, there would be no demand, and thus no need for a supply.

i'm no lawyer, but i definitly think they're cool. my parents are from a country where you are guilty until proven innocent and until recently lawyers were not allowed to defend the accused. that changed quickly because THAT DIDN'T WORK. we have a system here that allows many guilty to avoid punishment to reduce the number of innocents going to jail. it is this SYSTEM that lawyers work in. if you have a problem with the SYSTEM, i understand, but individuals...that's just ignorant.
 

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Lars the Red said:
No, my dealings came in several other settings. Such as insurance claims. I've actually recorded statements from people making insurance claims that they were told by lawyers to blatantly lie about their injuries, the facts of an accident, and subsequent mental trauma they were attempting to profit from. I've had beers with a couple of classics here in the valley that pride themselves in their method of 'coaching' DUI suspects, manipulating court dates in a effort to have an officer fail to show, all in an attempt to have charges dropped. This done while knowing everything they are saying is false and may help a drunk put innocent victims at risk. I watched a close friend, who was brutally raped and left for dead by a couple of charming fellows here in Phoenix, get absolutely abused during court by a smug little prick, who completely manipulated the system and got those asses off. To this day, I would gladly pull that guys arms off and beat him to death with them if given the opportunity.

You boys keep kidding yourselves that what you do has anything noble about it. Keep tell us that your honorable people in an honorable profession. Your ranking last I checked was just above car salesman and just below insurance salesman in the trust poll among citizens. I've never been overly impressed with one's ability to make it through law school and pass the bar. I've met too many social retards and complete idiots who managed to be able to do that. I could have easily gone to law school. I had the grades and the financial ability to afford it. Even in college, I didn't think much of that profession. We had several law school grads working in claims because it was the only work they could find. All that L. A. Law craze that had everyone thinking being a lawyer was somehow cool gorged the market and you couldn't swing a dead cat without smacking a lawyer. Which is fine use of a dead cat.

You boys might be solid Card fans, and for that, I'm happy. Unfortunately, I think your profession blows.

I see I was wrong. Your acting like a petulant child on this score must not be out of character.

EDIT: And I'm an Eagles fan. So there.
 
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Wow, I'm actually quite offended by this lawyer bashing. My father happens to be a lawyer and while yeah, his profession doesn't have the greatest reputation, he is one of the most honorable people I know. For you to just claim that all lawyers are bad people or are just out to screw the system is one of the stupidest things ever posted on this board, which has been pointed out...and while you're entitled to your opinion...you should never speak again.

Oh, for the record, I'm entering my senior year of college majoring in journalism, would like to go into broadcasting, and along with doing a campus radio show I also intern at a local TV station. :roll:
 
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Phew! Lars, you really like to categorizing people, don't you ?
 

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I'm a minister with a degree in Theology. I can't wait to see the bashing that I will get!:p
 

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I'm a minister with a degree in Theology. I can't wait to see the bashing that I will get!:p

ditto

(BA MA MDiv DMin)
 

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ok this whole lawyer, salesman, preist thing is getting carried away. lets face facts here there are some elements in every group and there are some very good elements in every group.
 

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ok this whole lawyer, salesman, preist thing is getting carried away. lets face facts here there are some elements in every group and there are some very good elements in every group.
Sounds like a joke doesn't it?... A Lawyer, a Priest and an Insurance salesman walked into this bar. The Lawyer turns to the Priest and says... fill in the rest.
 

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Phew! Lars, you really like to categorizing people, don't you ?

To a fault many times. In most cases, I will take people on their merits. I am usually successful doing that. The legal beagles are the one group I simply can't get past. We all have our vices, lawyer loathing happens to be mine.
 

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Wow, I'm actually quite offended by this lawyer bashing. My father happens to be a lawyer and while yeah, his profession doesn't have the greatest reputation, he is one of the most honorable people I know. For you to just claim that all lawyers are bad people or are just out to screw the system is one of the stupidest things ever posted on this board, which has been pointed out...and while you're entitled to your opinion...you should never speak again.

Oh, for the record, I'm entering my senior year of college majoring in journalism, would like to go into broadcasting, and along with doing a campus radio show I also intern at a local TV station. :roll:

I did a fair amount of broadcasting, and honestly, it's one of the most enjoyable jobs I ever had. The only bad part is the money. Unless your in a big market and are a serious personality, it's not what you might call lucrative.

Sorry your feelings are hurt. The time I run into a really honorable, pleasant lawyer will be the first time. And speaking is one of those things you'll just have to deal with unless of course I'm banned.
 

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ignorant. do not blame people that fill a need. that's too reactionary. the system allows it and there is a demand. the reason this exists in society is because society wants it. if everyone saw lawyers as you do, there would be no demand, and thus no need for a supply.

i'm no lawyer, but i definitly think they're cool. my parents are from a country where you are guilty until proven innocent and until recently lawyers were not allowed to defend the accused. that changed quickly because THAT DIDN'T WORK. we have a system here that allows many guilty to avoid punishment to reduce the number of innocents going to jail. it is this SYSTEM that lawyers work in. if you have a problem with the SYSTEM, i understand, but individuals...that's just ignorant.

Why exactly do we need lawyers? Your saying they fill a need, exactly what is that? Is it to read a contract? Contracts were initially written with the intent to be readable by a layman. Simple, basic, to the point. Now we need an interpreter to dig their way through them and understand a language only they understand. Why? Because they wrote it. It's as absurd as hiring someone to draw up a contract for you that only will do it in German. Considering neither I nor the person I'm having the contract written for speak German, means he'll have to hire his own German speaker to tell us what it says. And God forbid it's in a different dialect than what he's used to or it could be interpreted differently than intended, which of course is what happens regularly with contracts written in legalese.

One could argue that lawyers are only necessary because they've managed to create their own niche. They tell you on TV, 'I'll fight for you', but fail to tell you that even though the settlements they get are usually larger than those people get when representing themselves, the amount of money the victim receives is less. Oh sure, fluffing medical bills and calling in 'experts' is hard work, but who really benefits? Not the guy that needed the money, that's for sure. They will gladly draw up a contract for you (for a fee), or read a contract for you (for a fee). Then if you want out of your contract, they will again look for a loop hole in that contract (that they wrote or look over for you and charged you for already, and charge you another fee).

The one's that work so hard to give quality representation to horrific criminals are also just peaches. They make victims appear to be criminals, criminals appear to be victims, and do everything they can to create a jury of people with IQ's of a bad baseball game. This to simplify their job of manipulating the truth, because we all know that the truth isn't really important in a court of law.

Save the righteous indignation. My original comments came as a rebuttle to someone whining that shots were being taken at agents unfairly (which was crap) and not all agents are lawyers (which is true, but only a small percentage aren't). If everyone would have jumped on the bash the insurance agent bandwagon, I would probably have replied also. But to carry things to this degree is stupid. I say a can't stand lawyers, you say that's narrow minded. Oh well, move on.
 

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