Josh Jackson

[NashDishesDimes]

Bender is currently #345 in defensive rating amongst players averaging more than 15 min/game this season. Griffin, also a bad defender, is #201.

Jackson is #290.

Interesting. Yeah theres a difference between a good shot blocker and good defender. Bender is a good shot blocker.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

It takes a special kind of ******* to call a 19 year old a bust, let alone two of them.

Theyre not 19. I dont think anyones calling anyone a bust. I think what people are saying, including me, is the indications are not good. Bender and Jackson specifically are not ready to even see an nba floor.

 

[Praxis]

So what happened with Chandler out last night?

Chriss of course fouled out in 25 minutes but hit 3-6 threes for his only points. He also grabbed 9 rebounds with an assist, a steal, and block. Not great, but some of you here are probably ecstatic.

Bender was "turrible," as Barkley would say. 5 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist, and -15 +/- in 27 minutes.

Jackson played only 11 minutes. (So much for him getting tons of playing time.) He scored 5 points with one assist and three turnovers. Yawn.

Len did nothing in 19 minutes. He didn't stand a chance against Whiteside. Good luck with your future endeavors, Alex!

 

[SirStefan32]

So what is it that you want?

 

[Praxis]

So what is it that you want?

A good team, but I'll settle for a good draft.

 

[Mainstreet]

Theyre not 19. I dont think anyones calling anyone a bust. I think what people are saying, including me, is the indications are not good. Bender and Jackson specifically are not ready to even see an nba floor.

This is the problem for the Suns. The Suns are forced to play Bender and Jackson, where some teams have the rookies riding the bench until they are ready.

 

[Chaplin]

This is the problem for the Suns. The Suns are forced to play Bender and Jackson, where some teams have the rookies riding the bench until they are ready.

Forced? Really? They are not "forced" to play anybody. They play them because they are part of the future. "Forcing" is starting Mike James.

 

[Mainstreet]

Forced? Really? They are not "forced" to play anybody. They play them because they are part of the future. "Forcing" is starting Mike James.

The thing is with a lot of the youngster they are not NBA ready when they enter the NBA at the ripe old age of 18 or 19. They may be part of the future but often their bodies are not ready to compete with older NBA players. It's a tough problem to solve with the NBA being a youth driven league when it comes to the draft.

After Bledsoe pushed his way out, the Suns are left with two PG type players (Ulis and James) who should probably be third best at their position. Coming into the season PG looked to be a strength for the Suns but it has become a glaring weakness.

 

[Chaplin]

The thing is with a lot of the youngster they are not NBA ready when they enter the NBA at the ripe old age of 18 or 19. They may be part of the future but often their bodies are not ready to compete with older NBA players. It's a tough problem to solve with the NBA being a youth driven league when it comes to the draft.

After Bledsoe pushed his way out, the Suns are left with two PG type players (Ulis and James) who should probably be third best at their position. Coming into the season PG looked to be a strength for the Suns but it has become a glaring weakness.

So what? We are a bottom of the barrel team and can afford to play guys that might not be “ready” on a better team.

 

[Mainstreet]

So what? We are a bottom of the barrel team and can afford to play guys that might not be “ready” on a better team.

Playing young players right away is not always the best way to develop them. Every player is not a Devin Booker.

 

[leclerc]

I hope the new guy gets some playing time so Chriss and Bender can concentrate on the basics for shorter stints instead of getting crushed all night every night. Booker needs some scoring help and Warren has been good but uneven. Maybe an inside presence will help on both ends of the court. Here's to hope (and another disappointment).

 

[JS22]

Forced? Really? They are not "forced" to play anybody. They play them because they are part of the future. "Forcing" is starting Mike James.

Surprisingly enough, James is probably their third best player at this point.

Edit: I take that back.

 

[SirStefan32]

A good team, but I'll settle for a good draft.

Well, I want a night with Jennifer Lawrence, but it's not gonna happen.

We all want a good team, but we don't have one right now. Not sure how complaining about Bender and Jackson accomplishes anything. We all want a good draft too, but we don't even know where we are picking, and whoever we pick isn't gonna make us a good team overnight. We have a bunch of youngsters who are not going to be good immediately. Things will work out. Jackson is not playing as many minutes because Triano is trying to tech them something. Dudley, old, slow, and mediocre as he may be, is the ultimate professional. He sets screens, moves the ball, talks on defense, always gives 100% of what he has. My guess is that Triano is teaching Jackson and other youngsters a lesson in how to earn playing time, how to be a professional, how to do the little things that don't show up in the box score.

 

[BC867]

All of these posts --pro or con the young players, pro or con the tank -- are defensive because the Suns are dysfunctional, a failure and have become the laughingstock of the league. We are the San Diego Clippers of this decade.

How I wish the NBA would look at the big picture and force out Sarver (the man without a plan) and his low paid, inexperienced Front Office, who have made winning a low priority.

But the NBA office is probably just waiting for the day they can honor the fans in Seattle and see our Suns bail out of Phoenix. I have actually started telling myself, "If it happens, it happens, and I am not going to stress over it." How many years did L.A. (the second largest city in the country) go without an NFL team?

I try to be an optimist, but I am also a realist. The Suns, as a professional team in the greatest basketball league in the world, have dug themselves into such a hole, it will probably take a decade for that to change, the worst part being attitude.

I have lived in the Valley of the Suns for 47 years and deeply resent how the league has allowed Suns management to bring our community, and Suns fans wherever they live, down to this level.

 

[Praxis]

Well, I want a night with Jennifer Lawrence, but it's not gonna happen.

We all want a good team, but we don't have one right now. Not sure how complaining about Bender and Jackson accomplishes anything. We all want a good draft too, but we don't even know where we are picking, and whoever we pick isn't gonna make us a good team overnight. We have a bunch of youngsters who are not going to be good immediately. Things will work out. Jackson is not playing as many minutes because Triano is trying to tech them something. Dudley, old, slow, and mediocre as he may be, is the ultimate professional. He sets screens, moves the ball, talks on defense, always gives 100% of what he has. My guess is that Triano is teaching Jackson and other youngsters a lesson in how to earn playing time, how to be a professional, how to do the little things that don't show up in the box score.

Trust me, there are players in 2018 who will have an immediate impact. It's unfortunate that most of our highest picks have come in weak drafts, but we can't pretend our youth have amazing potential outside of Booker. I do think Jackson has upside but he doesn't need to be taught "how to earn playing time" by watching veterans lose games from the bench. He needs to be on the court learning how to play in the NBA. You don't develop guys by minimizing their minutes, especially Jackson since he is older than Bender and Chriss and is known for his competitiveness.

I also think "things will work out," but there's no telling when. JLaw might be in her seventies before we have a competent front office, good coaching, and a core of championship-caliber players.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Trust me, there are players in 2018 who will have an immediate impact. It's unfortunate that most of our highest picks have come in weak drafts, but we can't pretend our youth have amazing potential outside of Booker. I do think Jackson has upside but he doesn't need to be taught "how to earn playing time" by watching veterans lose games from the bench. He needs to be on the court learning how to play in the NBA. You don't develop guys by minimizing their minutes, especially Jackson since he is older than Bender and Chriss and is known for his competitiveness.

I also think "things will work out," but there's no telling when. JLaw might be in her seventies before we have a competent front office, good coaching, and a core of championship-caliber players.

22 minutes a game for a rookie. That's quite a lot. They are not used to playing such a long grueling season, and Jackson's game is built on all-out effort. He needs to develop good habits. You build bad habits playing tired. His minutes will increase throughout this year. Patience.

 

[Praxis]

22 minutes a game for a rookie. That's quite a lot. They are not used to playing such a long grueling season, and Jackson's game is built on all-out effort. He needs to develop good habits. You build bad habits playing tired. His minutes will increase throughout this year. Patience.

He's averaging 17.8 mins in the last five games and has been losing minutes since Triano took over. He will learn good habits through playing 25+ mins and course correcting when necessary. He can learn how to be a professional from Dudley in the locker room, on the plane, etc.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

What are the chances Jackson turns into an NBA starter? Not for the suns specifically, but in general. He's obviously very young and has a ton to learn, but has he at least shown flashes of being good?

 

[Praxis]

What are the chances Jackson turns into an NBA starter? Not for the suns specifically, but in general. He's obviously very young and has a ton to learn, but has he at least shown flashes of being good?

Hard to say with diminishing playing time under Triano. He has shown flashes on both offense and defense but his shot is really unorthodox. His threes have a very high arch due to his release point. The fact he has a short leash on a terrible team is not a good sign. It is premature to put him in the "bust" camp, but I think we were all expecting more from him. However, Ball has disappointed and Fultz has been hurt. Other rookies like Kuzma and Mitchell have looked good, but don't have the same upside. I think there is a chance we could be kicking ourselves we didn't draft Fox, Smith, Markkanen, or John Collins in a couple of years.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Hard to say with diminishing playing time under Triano. He has shown flashes on both offense and defense but his shot is really unorthodox. His threes have a very high arch due to his release point. The fact he has a short leash on a terrible team is not a good sign. It is premature to put him in the "bust" camp, but I think we were all expecting more from him. However, Ball has disappointed and Fultz has been hurt. Other rookies like Kuzma and Mitchell have looked good, but don't have the same upside. I think there is a chance we could be kicking ourselves we didn't draft Fox, Smith, Markkanen, or John Collins in a couple of years.

Jackson definitely has an awkward shot, but what worries me is his game around the rim... he just seems to put up random shots and doesn't have too much finesse around the rim. He's always hustling though... which is a good sign... maybe the NBA is still processing too fast for him so as soon as he notices an open rim he just kinda chucks it up. I haven't seen enough games to really gauge his potential, so just wondering what other ppl thought about his development thus far. Also noticed Chriss looks like a sloth out there... he's regressed tremendously from last year it seems like.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Jackson's shot needs a little work, but it is fairly easily fixable. He ***** his elbow just a little too much and has a little hesitation in his release. Most players can correct this without too much difficulty.

 

[Praxis]

Jackson definitely has an awkward shot, but what worries me is his game around the rim... he just seems to put up random shots and doesn't have too much finesse around the rim. He's always hustling though... which is a good sign... maybe the NBA is still processing too fast for him so as soon as he notices an open rim he just kinda chucks it up. I haven't seen enough games to really gauge his potential, so just wondering what other ppl thought about his development thus far. Also noticed Chriss looks like a sloth out there... he's regressed tremendously from last year it seems like.

Yeah, if it's not a fast break he is kind of lost. I've seen him improvise and pass out of double teams but he has trouble scoring in the half court. He should improve as he learns the offense and works on his shot mechanics. I don't expect anything from Chriss or Bender, but I hope I'm wrong.

 

[leclerc]

He can learn how to be a professional from Dudley in the locker room, on the plane, etc.

Don't forget about some good jokes.

Talk is cheap. Seeing him taking their minutes even though he's old and slow should light a fire in them. If there is nothing there to burn then we know they're dead weight and not keepers.

 

[Mainstreet]

Don't forget about some good jokes.

Talk is cheap. Seeing him taking their minutes even though he's old and slow should light a fire in them. If there is nothing there to burn then we know they're dead weight and not keepers.

I agree.

Dudley may be old and slow, relatively speaking, but it's interesting to see him show the youngsters how to play the game. The game is not all about athleticism but basketball IQ as well. They could do well to emulate parts of his game. It's kept him in the NBA.

 

[3rdside]

It is premature to put him in the "bust" camp, but I think we were all expecting more from him.

He's had nine games already...buuuust!



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