Josh Jackson

[NashDishesDimes]

All of these posts --pro or con the young players, pro or con the tank -- are defensive because the Suns are dysfunctional, a failure and have become the laughingstock of the league. We are the San Diego Clippers of this decade.

How I wish the NBA would look at the big picture and force out Sarver (the man without a plan) and his low paid, inexperienced Front Office, who have made winning a low priority.

But the NBA office is probably just waiting for the day they can honor the fans in Seattle and see our Suns bail out of Phoenix. I have actually started telling myself, "If it happens, it happens, and I am not going to stress over it." How many years did L.A. (the second largest city in the country) go without an NFL team?

I try to be an optimist, but I am also a realist. The Suns, as a professional team in the greatest basketball league in the world, have dug themselves into such a hole, it will probably take a decade for that to change, the worst part being attitude.

I have lived in the Valley of the Suns for 47 years and deeply resent how the league has allowed Suns management to bring our community, and Suns fans wherever they live, down to this level.

+1

 

[BC867]

For the record, a correction to my post. I first visited Phoenix 47 years ago, but we didn't move here until eight years later, when the job market loosened up.

So i was one of the long distance Suns fans for eight years.

 

[Krangodnzr]

He's averaging 17.8 mins in the last five games and has been losing minutes since Triano took over. He will learn good habits through playing 25+ mins and course correcting when necessary. He can learn how to be a professional from Dudley in the locker room, on the plane, etc.

It sets a really bad precedent to play players that make mental mistakes all of the time that costs the team.

It's not like Jackson is completely buried on the bench, he is getting his playing time.

 

[Raze]

So after seeing Josh play for 17 games here are some thoughts:

I love his fire, but it isn't focused. I'd love to see Triano minimize his green lights and solidify his role. He just is trying to do too many things and he isn't excelling at any of them. At this point I'd tell him to only drive the ball up the court and attack the basket. He looks at his best when he's got room. He's also not too shabby in the post. I'd give him about 3 looks a game down there. And be the great defender we all saw at Kansas. That's it.

No 3's. Sure, he CAN shoot 3's, but that doesn't mean he SHOULD. And he's just not a good outside shooter right now. He should get to earn that, not be given it outright.
No jumpers past 10 feet either. Form needs to be corrected in the off season not during. Although I will admit his form has much more mechanically sound than when he was drafted.
No driving in the half court set (I'm having flashbacks to Marion with all the travels off the pivot foot outside the 3 point line). He's been a turnover machine driving in the half court.

When I coach, I try to give my players one thing to work on. Often players try to fix everything and so they fix nothing. Plus, it slows the game down for them and takes a ton of pressure off. Same should go with Josh.

Minimize his role down to being a DEFENDER and a SLASHER.

 

[Bert]

So after seeing Josh play for 17 games here are some thoughts:

I love his fire, but it isn't focused. I'd love to see Triano minimize his green lights and solidify his role. He just is trying to do too many things and he isn't excelling at any of them. At this point I'd tell him to only drive the ball up the court and attack the basket. He looks at his best when he's got room. He's also not too shabby in the post. I'd give him about 3 looks a game down there. And be the great defender we all saw at Kansas. That's it.

No 3's. Sure, he CAN shoot 3's, but that doesn't mean he SHOULD. And he's just not a good outside shooter right now. He should get to earn that, not be given it outright.
No jumpers past 10 feet either. Form needs to be corrected in the off season not during. Although I will admit his form has much more mechanically sound than when he was drafted.
No driving in the half court set (I'm having flashbacks to Marion with all the travels off the pivot foot outside the 3 point line). He's been a turnover machine driving in the half court.

When I coach, I try to give my players one thing to work on. Often players try to fix everything and so they fix nothing. Plus, it slows the game down for them and takes a ton of pressure off. Same should go with Josh.

Minimize his role down to being a DEFENDER and a SLASHER.

Sounds pretty good. It's how I felt about Shawn Marion shooting 3's. Even when he made them I'm like; Matrix, please stop... lol

 

[hsandhu]

So after seeing Josh play for 17 games here are some thoughts:

I love his fire, but it isn't focused. I'd love to see Triano minimize his green lights and solidify his role. He just is trying to do too many things and he isn't excelling at any of them. At this point I'd tell him to only drive the ball up the court and attack the basket. He looks at his best when he's got room. He's also not too shabby in the post. I'd give him about 3 looks a game down there. And be the great defender we all saw at Kansas. That's it.

No 3's. Sure, he CAN shoot 3's, but that doesn't mean he SHOULD. And he's just not a good outside shooter right now. He should get to earn that, not be given it outright.
No jumpers past 10 feet either. Form needs to be corrected in the off season not during. Although I will admit his form has much more mechanically sound than when he was drafted.
No driving in the half court set (I'm having flashbacks to Marion with all the travels off the pivot foot outside the 3 point line). He's been a turnover machine driving in the half court.

When I coach, I try to give my players one thing to work on. Often players try to fix everything and so they fix nothing. Plus, it slows the game down for them and takes a ton of pressure off. Same should go with Josh.

Minimize his role down to being a DEFENDER and a SLASHER.

Agree totally. He should not be shooting passed 15 feet, Triano thinks giving him the green light is the way to get him better at it. The off-season is where it gets better

Find a way to get him driving lanes if you’re Triano. You saw what happened in the Orlando game, he was unstoppable attacking the rim, even a great athlete like Aaron Gordon couldn’t stop him

 

[Ronin]

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[Mainstreet]

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And his defensive capability was a big reason they drafted him along his overall versatility. The Suns believe his offensive game will improve especially with his work ethic.

 

[Raze]

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This has even more value when you consider that Josh is getting bigger assignments than Tatum or Ball.

After all, if I hold Kobe Bryant to 37.8% then I'm an amazing defender.

But if Ricky Rubio gets 37.8% on me, I'm the worst defender in the history of time.

 

[3rdside]

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/...re-translating-quicker-than-expected-suns-nba


Nice article on Jackson - I’ve said it a bunch of times that he’s nothing like Leonard or Marion because of his wingspan, but he’s right there with them in terms of steal percentages which is both great news and interesting.

Great because I think it’s safe to say that, worst case, we have a defensive specialist on our hands which we so badly need.

Interesting because he’s got a short wingspan - I’ve always maintained that his most similar player is jimmy butler, not those other guys, because of this and while my opinion hasn’t changed (steals are not the same as lock down defending - with arms like his he will never be able to lock down the longer 3’s in the league) it does raise another angle of athleticism - reaction time and timing (probably a bit of each)...he’s obviously blessed with these.


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[Hoop Head]

I think worst case Jackson will be Tucker with ball handling and the ability to score. He's as good as Tucker was for us previously but he will improve. His motor is high and he's willing to do the small things. I doubt anyone gets as frustrated with him as they did Tucker because PJ often did things he shouldn't be, like trying to take someone off the dribble and then pull up for a long 3.

 

[3rdside]

Tucker’s a fat potato, surely you mean someone else?


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[Hoop Head]

Tucker was good for us before we signed him to a long term deal. That first year under Hornacek when he was playing on a minimum salary he showed up every night, was a solid perimeter defender, and was all hustle. He fought hard to earn a spot in the NBA and unfortunately for us, once he earned that spot he kept developing bad habits and trying to play like he had an offensive game.

 

[Finito]

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/...re-translating-quicker-than-expected-suns-nba


Nice article on Jackson - I’ve said it a bunch of times that he’s nothing like Leonard or Marion because of his wingspan, but he’s right there with them in terms of steal percentages which is both great news and interesting.

Great because I think it’s safe to say that, worst case, we have a defensive specialist on our hands which we so badly need.

Interesting because he’s got a short wingspan - I’ve always maintained that his most similar player is jimmy butler, not those other guys, because of this and while my opinion hasn’t changed (steals are not the same as lock down defending - with arms like his he will never be able to lock down the longer 3’s in the league) it does raise another angle of athleticism - reaction time and timing (probably a bit of each)...he’s obviously blessed with these.


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People aren't comparing him to Marion because of them being the same physically that's completely different

he gets compared to Marion because his game is similar to a young Marion as is you don't run plays for him his points are mostly going to come in transition and from cutting and put backs

Jimmy Butler has a much different game

 

[SirStefan32]

Yeah, Jimmy Butler is one of the best two-way players in the league. Jackson is a walking, talking turnover or a missed shot waiting to happen. He can't dribble, he can't shoot. Let's not insult Jimmy Butler by comparing Jackson to him. And this is coming from someone who likes Jackson, and would have taken him at #1.

 

[3rdside]

Yeah, Jimmy Butler is one of the best two-way players in the league. Jackson is a walking, talking turnover or a missed shot waiting to happen. He can't dribble, he can't shoot. Let's not insult Jimmy Butler by comparing Jackson to him. And this is coming from someone who likes Jackson, and would have taken him at #1.

Easy on there fella! He’s a rookie.

Jimmy butler is a 2/3, has short arms, is good defensively and is particularly good at steals.

Jackson fits that description perfectly.

I’m not comparing jackson to anyone offensively yet because we don’t really know what we have with him there yet.




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[JCSunsfan]

Jackson is a hard worker, has the physical skills and athleticism. I think he will be fine.

 

[Haunting]

Suns fans did not want to believe the truth about Josh Jackson and Jayson Tatum, look at it now.

 

[Carolinacacti]

That was his worse game.........Stop starting him as a SG limit what he has to do. Lord help the Suns

 

[Raze]

Suns fans did not want to believe the truth about Josh Jackson and Jayson Tatum, look at it now.

What truth? They are literally playing as predicted. Tatum is a very good scorer who puts forth almost no effort on D. Jackson is a bad shooter who has natural defensive instincts that can't be taught.

Problem is still the same: no one cares about Defense because there aren't easy stats to look at. Therefore, average fans are convinced Tatum is better. It just isn't true. (That, and Tatum is playing on the returning regular season wins leading team. It's a lot easier to play with an already successful team than to play on a bottom of the barrel team.)

Also, for anyone actually watching, some of the agility Jackson has displayed IS ELITE. He does thing on a court that few people can do. It's just crazy raw. IF he learns how to harness his gift he will be outstanding.

Tatum is pretty much what he is. He hasn't touched his ceiling, but he's flirting with it.

 

[Carolinacacti]

IF he learns how to harness his gift he will be outstanding.

If he learns how to throw a baseball he will be a outstanding pitcher. Come on Raze, Jackson is blowing chunks right now.

 

[Raze]

If he learns how to throw a baseball he will be a outstanding pitcher. Come on Raze, Jackson is blowing chunks right now.

That's putting it mildly offensively. He's 9 for 35 in his last 4 games. No doubt he's stinks on O.

But my point is that was expected. Josh had a MASSIVE overhaul of his shot. MASSIVE. He was one of the worst shooting prospects to come out in years (ironically Ball is way worse). Unlike Ball who REFUSED to take a step back, Jackson tried to work on it. He's going to look awful at times when he's on his "one step backwards". We can only hope that that will garner big dividends when he takes "two steps forward".

I have far less hope for Ball to figure it out than Jackson. And defensively I feel the same about Tatum.

 

[Hoop Head]

Jackson has shown some flashes. There is a reason that NBA GM’s said he’d be the best player from this class in 5 years.

http://www.nba.com/gmsurvey/2017#/

 

[Haunting]

What truth? They are literally playing as predicted. Tatum is a very good scorer who puts forth almost no effort on D. Jackson is a bad shooter who has natural defensive instincts that can't be taught.

Problem is still the same: no one cares about Defense because there aren't easy stats to look at. Therefore, average fans are convinced Tatum is better. It just isn't true. (That, and Tatum is playing on the returning regular season wins leading team. It's a lot easier to play with an already successful team than to play on a bottom of the barrel team.)

Also, for anyone actually watching, some of the agility Jackson has displayed IS ELITE. He does thing on a court that few people can do. It's just crazy raw. IF he learns how to harness his gift he will be outstanding.

Tatum is pretty much what he is. He hasn't touched his ceiling, but he's flirting with it.

100% wrong

Tatum is playing far better defense than Jackson.

Saying that Tatum is already flirting with his ceiling when he is a full year younger than Josh Jackson is a joke.

 

[overseascardfan]

People remember Tatum was gone before our pick so it’s not like PHX whiffed on him. The guy everyone seemed to miss on is John Collins, ATL got a steal.