Karlos Dansby - best LB in the game?

[Arizona's Finest]

And for what its worth I DO think Dansby is a Top 6 or 7 ILB. Maybe even #4 or 5.

And at one point Larry Johnson was the #1 RB in the league. That doesn't mean I want that ass clown on my favorite team.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Instead, the Cards focused on Adrian Wilson, who has been a great career Cardinal, but was not very good last season and had to be given a cheap sack playing DE at the end of the year to "earn" the career milestone the franchise had been waiting 13 games to celebrate.

It seemed to me like the Cards spent a lot of time treating Karlos Dansby like he was just another guy on the roster, and not one of the top playmaking linebackers in the NFL. Easily the equal to Julian Peterson.

Yeah thats because there is more to football then just numbers. By the way go reread last seasons stats. Dansby's weren't all that great and he is no where near the playmaker he thinks he is or you percieve him to be.

Its called rewarding players who represent your franchise the right way. Its called taking care of guys who practice hard, lead by example, and speak well of the organization. It's called taking care of those who were there from the beginning and through sheer will, pulled the franchise up out of the abyss and to respectability.

Dansby isn't productive or talented enough to demand that type of recognition or act like he's too cool for school. He's a totla malcontent and then wants to wonder why the Cardinals aren't proseletyzing him? LMAO.

Maybe if he had a shred of Wilson's tenacity and leadership, or Dockett's heart he would have gotten paid by this team. Instead he just showed up and did his job fairly well.

There will be TONS of #58's on this team for the next decade. There will only be one #24.

 

[Buckybird]

Yeah thats because there is more to football then just numbers. By the way go reread last seasons stats. Dansby's weren't all that great and he is no where near the playmaker he thinks he is or you percieve him to be.

Its called rewarding players who represent your franchise the right way. Its called taking care of guys who practice hard, lead by example, and speak well of the organization. It's called taking care of those who were there from the beginning and through sheer will, pulled the franchise up out of the abyss and to respectability.

Dansby isn't productive or talented enough to demand that type of recognition or act like he's too cool for school. He's a totla malcontent and then wants to wonder why the Cardinals aren't proseletyzing him? LMAO.

Maybe if he had a shred of Wilson's tenacity and leadership, or Dockett's heart he would have gotten paid by this team. Instead he just showed up and did his job fairly well.

There will be TONS of #58's on this team for the next decade. There will only be one #24.

AF, I've got to disagree with you on this. Didn't the players vote him a defensive team captain? That right there tells me what his teammates thought of #58. He also never was an ass with the media or did anything stupid off the field or spoke bad about the team or organization while he wore red. To think Dansby wasn't one of the defensive leaders is insane.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

AF, I've got to disagree with you on this. Didn't the players vote him a defensive team captain? That right there tells me what his teammates thought of #58. He also never was an ass with the media or did anything stupid off the field or spoke bad about the team or organization while he wore red. To think Dansby wasn't one of the defensive leaders is insane.

Listen Buck, do we ever really KNOW these players? No I am not naive. I think the world of Larry Fitzgerald but there is plenty of evidence that he is a human being like anyone else.

But I do know this. Dansby was elected a captain (with Wilson mind you) because unequivically he was one of our best players and had real tenure with the team. And at that point Dockett was too much of a loose cannon so who else was going to be captain? But it wasn't because he was some kind of soul of the team.

I have followed Dansby closely from the begininng. Unlike others I rememebr him prior to the gun to his head that was the franchise tag. I remember listening to his interviews and quotes and just not seeing the same level of care or passion that I do with Dockett and Wilson.

And now that he left (and mind you he actually fired his agent because he was close to taking the Cardinals deal) and is bad mouthing the organization it validates my feelings on him. He NEVER eanted to be here.

He's all about him. He shows up, does his job (pretty damn well too), and goes home. Losses don't haunt him. Playing for the other guys on the defense doesn't matter to him.

Look where he went to play. South Beach. You think thats a coincidence?

You know what former Cardinal he reminds me of? Simeon Rice. To a tee. Except Simeon was 10x more valuable because of his position he played and how much harder it was to replace his 12 sacks a year.

But I did'nt shed a tear when Simeon left and I doubt you did either. From what I have seen, Dansby just doesn't love football and even if he does, he certainly didn't love this team or franchise.

I say good riddance. I'll take 3/4 the production, at 1/10 the price, and 10X the effort and care. But thats just me.

 

[Duckjake]

AF, I've got to disagree with you on this. Didn't the players vote him a defensive team captain? That right there tells me what his teammates thought of #58. He also never was an ass with the media or did anything stupid off the field or spoke bad about the team or organization while he wore red. To think Dansby wasn't one of the defensive leaders is insane.

Me too. In fact I think AWilson is the most overrated player on the Cardinals. Doesn't mean he isn't any good just that he gets props way in excess of what he deserves.

For example the Cards gave up 36 passing TDs in 2008 and 90 points in last seasons playoffs and everybody in the secondary gets grief for it except Wilson.

 

[Buckybird]

Me too. In fact I think AWilson is the most overrated player on the Cardinals. Doesn't mean he isn't any good just that he gets props way in excess of what he deserves.

For example the Cards gave up 36 passing TDs in 2008 and 90 points in last seasons playoffs and everybody in the secondary gets grief for it except Wilson.

You mean he's not the best SS in the NFL?

I agree, #24 is good not great.

 

[cardsfanmd]

There will be TONS of #58's on this team for the next decade.

Not from what I just saw.

 

[Buckybird]

Not from what I just saw.

wayyyyyyy early cardsfan. Promising buts lets see him do those things against #1's in a real NFL game first.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

wayyyyyyy early cardsfan. Promising buts lets see him do those things against #1's in a real NFL game first.

How about this. I'll take him over Dansby at 1/50th of the cost RIGHT NOW.

I think we'll get 1/50th of the production. Check that I know we will.

 

[Buckybird]

How about this. I'll take him over Dansby at 1/50th of the cost RIGHT NOW.

I think we'll get 1/50th of the production. Check that I know we will.

hope your right

 

[Redheart]

Willson was smokin' tonight.

 

[Duckjake]

wayyyyyyy early cardsfan. Promising buts lets see him do those things against #1's in a real NFL game first.

Gotta agree with you Bucky.

The Texans 4th round rookie LB had 7 tackles and an interception tonight.

But Washington was doing exactly what he did in the TCU game I watched that got me talking about him this Spring. The guy can run to the football.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Gotta agree with you Bucky.

The Texans 4th round rookie LB had 7 tackles and an interception tonight.

But Washington was doing exactly what he did in the TCU game I watched that got me talking about him this Spring. The guy can run to the football.

His stats are good, but they don't do his game justice.

It was his game speed......flat out ridiculous. He just exploded off the screen which that 4th round LB on the Texans didn't. And he could have had a 100 tackles and he wouldn't have impressed me as much as DW.

 

[Shane]

His stats are good, but they don't do his game justice.

It was his game speed......flat out ridiculous. He just exploded off the screen which that 4th round LB on the Texans didn't. And he could have had a 100 tackles and he wouldn't have impressed me as much as DW.

Yup! No comparison watching the two play.

 

[Mulli]

2011: 5 games played 21 tackles. No INT's. 1 FF.

Is he even the best LBer on his team?

 

[football karma]

look:

as the author, I want to officially state my postion on Los

1. A very good player
2. I really wish the Cardinals kept him
3. I think Los has an exaggerated sense of his play

you know how the press occasionally describe certain trades where "both teams really benefited from that trade"?

This was a free agent deal where both parties would have been better off with each other

 

[WildBB]

He actually said in an interview he was upset with the Cardinals for not promoting him like he thought they should have. Thought the Defense didn't get any love and it was all about the offense that last two years. You know it couldn't have been because the O was awesome and the D was stuck in averageville.

I would have bought a Dansby 58 if I could have found one in the stores or stadium, back then. I really liked the guy. Couldn't understand why they wouldn't even have his jersey at least at the stadium.

 

[Duckjake]

2011: 5 games played 21 tackles. No INT's. 1 FF.

Is he even the best LBer on his team?

Dansby was at his best as 4-3 OLB. Just look at the combined stats 2004-2007 (20.5 sacks,7 interceptions, 9 FFs...) despite only starting 50 of 64 games, then compare 2009-2011.*

He's just not the same playmaker as an ILB in the 3-4.

*2008 I think doesn't really fit because the Cards weren't running either a 3-4 or a 4-3 regularly.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Here is the deal with Dansby: He fit the Cards and the Cards fit him...

He was a jack of all trades and master of none...

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

2011: 5 games played 21 tackles. No INT's. 1 FF.

Is he even the best LBer on his team?

but he'd still be the best LB on the Cards.

 

[kerouac9]

Dansby was at his best as 4-3 OLB. Just look at the combined stats 2004-2007 (20.5 sacks,7 interceptions, 9 FFs...) despite only starting 50 of 64 games, then compare 2009-2011.*

He's just not the same playmaker as an ILB in the 3-4.

*2008 I think doesn't really fit because the Cards weren't running either a 3-4 or a 4-3 regularly.

I think that's just part of being a 3-4 ILB, as well. Larry Timmons is apparently the best 3-4 ILB in the game today, and even his stats aren't that impressive as a playmaker. He's probably the fourth- or fifth-most important player in that defensive unit.

 

[Dayman]

I loved Los while he was here, but he did look like he was kind of mailing it in last Monday night. He was pushed out of plays way too easily and appeared content getting absorbed by blocks. His coverage skills were still strong, but the effort on run plays and the few times he blitzed was severely lacking. In fairness, that whole team is in disarray, so everybody looked out of sync. Still, it was surprising to see him have such little impact.

 

[Chopper0080]

I always looked at Dansby as a prototypical 4-3 WLB, and still believe that it is where he fits best. You could argue that he is one of the better nickel LB's in the game today. As far as ILB's? Here is who I would take ahead of him...

Patrick Willis
James Laurinaitis
Lawrence Timmons
Jerod Mayo
Ray Lewis (Not at Dansby's skill level but his leadership brings up the entire defense. fact.)
Brian Urlacher (not as high on him as some are)

Other than that I think Dansby is in a group with the Barnett's, Beason's, Vilma's and Maualuga's.

 

[Duckjake]

I loved Los while he was here, but he did look like he was kind of mailing it in last Monday night. He was pushed out of plays way too easily and appeared content getting absorbed by blocks. His coverage skills were still strong, but the effort on run plays and the few times he blitzed was severely lacking. In fairness, that whole team is in disarray, so everybody looked out of sync. Still, it was surprising to see him have such little impact.

KD has looked a step slower the last 3 seasons. I don't know if he's gotten thicker in the lower body or what but he just doesn't run like he used to.

 

[Duckjake]

2011: 5 games played 21 tackles. No INT's. 1 FF.

Is he even the best LBer on his team?

Hey, aren't you supposed to be totally out?

Quote:
Originally Posted by kerouac9
Yup. First two games are going to be key. If this defense can't hold up against an offense featuring the #1 overall pick in the draft (they did so last year) and a team starting a guy who couldn't get PT in the 4th preseason game last year (I seriously wanted to see John Beck last year and he couldn't get on the field), then this train is going to fall apart very, VERY quickly.

I don't care if Washington is on the road. You have to beat those guys. Do they have any good players left on defense after Orakpo?

Originally Posted by Mulli
This. 100% this. If the Redskins score more than 21 points offensively, I am totally out.