Keim as GM? (my perspective)

Bodha

ASFN Addict
BANNED BY MODERATORS
Joined
Sep 3, 2011
Posts
5,710
Reaction score
754
Would be a huge step back after this large step forward today.



Keim was a part of the Graves regime. The inept talent assessment and player management. Huge part.

Id be sick if Keim got the job. Guys Graves 2.0.
 

CardsSunsDbacks

Not So Skeptical
Joined
Aug 26, 2012
Posts
10,144
Reaction score
6,585
Would be a huge step back after this large step forward today.



Keim was a part of the Graves regime. The inept talent assessment and player management. Huge part.

Id be sick if Keim got the job. Guys Graves 2.0.
I don't feel as strongly about it, but I would prefer Jason Licht considering his background.
 
OP
OP
Bodha

Bodha

ASFN Addict
BANNED BY MODERATORS
Joined
Sep 3, 2011
Posts
5,710
Reaction score
754
I don't feel as strongly about it, but I would prefer Jason Licht considering his background.

Promote from within anyone would be a horrible decision.


Besides Horton. Hed be great.
 

Syracusecards

DA's pass went that way
Joined
Oct 27, 2004
Posts
4,298
Reaction score
4,479
Depends on how the interview goes. If Keim stipulates its his way or the highway , who knows?
 

clif

ASFN Addict
Joined
Aug 17, 2004
Posts
8,967
Reaction score
214
Location
Phoenix, az
How do you guys come to the conclusion that graves me tired keim?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

TruCard

Banned
BANNED BY MODERATORS
Joined
Nov 20, 2012
Posts
272
Reaction score
0
Location
Mesa
From the mouth of Mike Jurecki. "Mike wants to hire a guy who he can control". This means that it really doesn't matter who gets the GM job because it's Mike B who will be making the decisions.
 

LVG

Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Moderator Emeritus
Joined
Oct 10, 2005
Posts
23,978
Reaction score
7,699
Location
Vegas, baby, yeah!
Would be a huge step back after this large step forward today.



Keim was a part of the Graves regime. The inept talent assessment and player management. Huge part.

Id be sick if Keim got the job. Guys Graves 2.0.

I'm not sold on Keim. There was an article a few years ago that really blasted Keim; too focused on the SEC, too willing to look past players at smaller schools, etc. I think Green had a bigger role to play than Keim when we went to the SB regarding the assembly of talent.

If Mike B wants control, then Mike B needs to be the GM. Otherwise, hire someone to do it and get out of they way.
 

TruCard

Banned
BANNED BY MODERATORS
Joined
Nov 20, 2012
Posts
272
Reaction score
0
Location
Mesa
I'm not sold on Keim. There was an article a few years ago that really blasted Keim; too focused on the SEC, too willing to look past players at smaller schools, etc. I think Green had a bigger role to play than Keim when we went to the SB regarding the assembly of talent.

If Mike B wants control, then Mike B needs to be the GM. Otherwise, hire someone to do it and get out of they way.
I agree 100%
 

overseascardfan

ASFN Addict
Joined
Apr 9, 2005
Posts
8,807
Reaction score
2,096
Location
Phoenix
I'm not sold on Keim. There was an article a few years ago that really blasted Keim; too focused on the SEC, too willing to look past players at smaller schools, etc.

Why shouldn't he focus on the SEC, its the premier conference in college football and players from that conference tend to have success in the NFL.
 

40yearfan

DEFENSE!!!!
Supporting Member
Joined
Feb 2, 2003
Posts
35,013
Reaction score
456
Location
Phoenix, AZ.
From the mouth of Mike Jurecki. "Mike wants to hire a guy who he can control". This means that it really doesn't matter who gets the GM job because it's Mike B who will be making the decisions.

I'm not sold on Keim. There was an article a few years ago that really blasted Keim; too focused on the SEC, too willing to look past players at smaller schools, etc. I think Green had a bigger role to play than Keim when we went to the SB regarding the assembly of talent.

If Mike B wants control, then Mike B needs to be the GM. Otherwise, hire someone to do it and get out of they way.

It's Mike B.'s dollars that are going to be spent. Do you really think he will just hand over the reins to a GM and walk away without any say in how those dollars are spent? Only a very stupid businessman would do that.
 

AzStevenCal

ASFN IDOL
Supporting Member
Joined
Apr 2, 2004
Posts
36,758
Reaction score
16,525
It's Mike B.'s dollars that are going to be spent. Do you really think he will just hand over the reins to a GM and walk away without any say in how those dollars are spent? Only a very stupid businessman would do that.

There's some truth to what you're saying but there's even more truth in the idea that a smart businessman hires the right people for the job and then gets the heck out of their way so they can do that job.

Steve
 

PDXChris

All In!
Supporting Member
Banned from P+R
Joined
Mar 28, 2003
Posts
31,384
Reaction score
28,005
Location
Nowhere
It's Mike B.'s dollars that are going to be spent. Do you really think he will just hand over the reins to a GM and walk away without any say in how those dollars are spent? Only a very stupid businessman would do that.

Don't bring logic into the conversation with two of the biggest overreacters on this board. I actually tjink they may be the same poster.
 

40yearfan

DEFENSE!!!!
Supporting Member
Joined
Feb 2, 2003
Posts
35,013
Reaction score
456
Location
Phoenix, AZ.
There's some truth to what you're saying but there's even more truth in the idea that a smart businessman hires the right people for the job and then gets the heck out of their way so they can do that job.

Steve

Obviously, you aren't a businessman.
 

CardsSunsDbacks

Not So Skeptical
Joined
Aug 26, 2012
Posts
10,144
Reaction score
6,585
Obviously, you aren't a businessman.
I would say he is right. It's not that he just blindly lets them work, but he should only step in if he doesn't like something they are doing. That being said I am all for him being the decision maker for who his head coach and GM are going to be, but just as long as he mostly stays out of the player decisions.
 

LoyaltyisaCurse

IF AND WHEN HEALTHY...
Joined
Aug 10, 2004
Posts
53,873
Reaction score
19,668
Location
CA
Yeah, who wants players from the best conference in college football when you can focus on guys from Fordham, Richmond, the Citadel, and San Jose City College? Lol...
 

D-Dogg

A Whole New World
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 10, 2003
Posts
44,920
Reaction score
877
Location
In The End Zone
Would be a huge step back after this large step forward today.



Keim was a part of the Graves regime. The inept talent assessment and player management. Huge part.

Id be sick if Keim got the job. Guys Graves 2.0.

I kind of feel like this. I'm lukewarm on Keim, but would be ok.

However, I'd REALLY love to see us go outside the org for a strong football mind and just give him control.
 

D-Dogg

A Whole New World
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 10, 2003
Posts
44,920
Reaction score
877
Location
In The End Zone
From the mouth of Mike Jurecki. "Mike wants to hire a guy who he can control". This means that it really doesn't matter who gets the GM job because it's Mike B who will be making the decisions.

Jurecki is a ******* who doesn't know corn from crap. I give three efs about what Jurecki thinks.

From the mouth of Jurecki = blah blah blather.
 

ajcardfan

I see you.
Supporting Member
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
38,512
Reaction score
25,475
Jurecki is a ******* who doesn't know corn from crap. I give three efs about what Jurecki thinks.

From the mouth of Jurecki = blah blah blather.

Exactly.

Jurecki uses the spaghetti method of reporting. Throw it all out there, some of it's bound to be right.
 

40yearfan

DEFENSE!!!!
Supporting Member
Joined
Feb 2, 2003
Posts
35,013
Reaction score
456
Location
Phoenix, AZ.
I would say he is right. It's not that he just blindly lets them work, but he should only step in if he doesn't like something they are doing. That being said I am all for him being the decision maker for who his head coach and GM are going to be, but just as long as he mostly stays out of the player decisions.

If it was your dollars at stake, would you be willing to do that? We don't know what input MB has in these decisions, but I'm sure anything that has to do with money runs through him and rightly so. You can't run a business by remote control. As a manager, you need to be involved in all major decisions and hiring multi-million dollar players is a major decision.
 

Assface

Like a boss
Supporting Member
Joined
May 6, 2003
Posts
15,106
Reaction score
21
Location
Tempe
Yes, Keim was part of an overall bad front office the past few years. By the same token, though, Fitz was part of one of the most inept offenses we've ever seen.
 

LVG

Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Moderator Emeritus
Joined
Oct 10, 2005
Posts
23,978
Reaction score
7,699
Location
Vegas, baby, yeah!
It's Mike B.'s dollars that are going to be spent. Do you really think he will just hand over the reins to a GM and walk away without any say in how those dollars are spent? Only a very stupid businessman would do that.

Not saying he should. But his comments come off more like micromanaging to me. You and I both know that there's a big difference between the two.
 

LVG

Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Moderator Emeritus
Joined
Oct 10, 2005
Posts
23,978
Reaction score
7,699
Location
Vegas, baby, yeah!
Why shouldn't he focus on the SEC, its the premier conference in college football and players from that conference tend to have success in the NFL.

The criticism wasn't that he just focused on the SEC, it's that he did so almost exclusively.
 

vinnymac

ASFN Lifer
Joined
Mar 24, 2005
Posts
3,022
Reaction score
0
Look around at teams rosters and where they played their colleges ball. Most of them come from the SEC. Peyton and Eli Mannning come from the SEC.
The majority of talent in the NFL comes from the south.
 

Latest posts

Staff online

Forum statistics

Threads
553,630
Posts
5,408,740
Members
6,319
Latest member
route66
Top