Keim as GM? (my perspective)

[Stout]

How many of the other NFL owners operate like that? All owners take an active part in managing their teams. It's their dollars involved and they aren't going to allow others to spend those dollars without their knowledge. And no, it isn't that different running an NFL team. It's still a business and you still have your invested dollars at stake. You are looking at it from a fan's perspective with no direct stake in the team so you are more willing to take chances involving hugh sums of money. An owner doesn't have that luxury unless he has limitless dollars available and doesn't care if he makes a profit or not. We all know that does not apply to MB.

I was going to take the time to answer this post, but--

Who is advocating no involvement? We're mostly arguing against the image that Jurecki and others have drawn. The suggestion that there are candidates that won't be considered because Bidwill wants a "yes man" has a lot to do with this conversation. It's simple really, the higher up in the chain of command, the less involvement in the little things. You still have a big picture involvement but you don't say, "Start Kolb, bench Adrian, run a draw play etc". If Mike is just involving himself the way most owners do, then fine, but if the picture that Jurecki paints is correct than we have a real problem.

Steve

--this post answered yours better than I could have.

 

[Cardiac]

This idea was kicked around on the 620AM yesterday. They were saying it doesn't make sense to say "Keim is part of the old guard" unless you were actually there in the room. What is Keim was arguing against the Kolb trade? If Keim wanted to pick AP over Levi? If Keim was the only one in the room the argued against some of the poorer decisions, then after firing the others, Keim is the logical direction to go. Not saying it is my opinion, but the radio pointed out this is at least a possibility.

Thanks for the info. It does make a great deal of sense. Why fire Whiz and Graves and not Keim unless he was against some of the mistakes made personnel wise.

The actual biggest mistakes recently made have been with FA's and not the draft so that might be the reason Keim was spared.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Obviously, you aren't a businessman.

LOL.

Obviously, you aren't a modern day businessman.

Nothing like having an owner that has NO IDEA what he is doing, take over operations, and drive his own business into the ground.

Happens too much these days, IMO.

Its Bidwill's money. No doubt. Supervising, and asking for reports, and demanding a great product be produced are all good things.

Bidwill thinking he is a NFL scout/GM/head coach ? THAT is laughable. What are his credentials ? Watching how to bury a sports franchise for 6+ decades, and become a laughing stock ?

His money, his responsibility. He wants to reign over all it, like a Jerry Jones ?

Sure! But, then don't waste money on a GM, and head coach.

If you are going to hire people that know better, then let the people that know better do their job.

Kinda like when an electrical engineer says you have to put "blank" on the boat or you won't have enough power, and the "boss" says they are not going to do it. Only to watch the anarchy ensue when the boat gets to the water, and there is not enough power.

Time, money, man-power, resources, all down the crapper. Why ? Cause the guy holding the money can't get out of his own way, and see through his own arrogance.

Just cause you have money, doesn't mean anything more than you have money. Doesn't make you smarter, better looking, or a better person just by having it.

Don't believe me ? See Jerry Jones.

 

[LVG]

How about Denny Green for GM?

GM or somewhere high up in the scouting staff would be a good fit I think.

 

[PJ1]

Wouldn't Keim have been named GM already if he was the choice? I mean why would they have to interview a guy they know this well?

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Wouldn't Keim have been named GM already if he was the choice? I mean why would they have to interview a guy they know this well?

They still have to interview a minority candidate.

 

[PJ1]

They still have to interview a minority candidate.

Oh. I thought that was for HC only.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Oh. I thought that was for HC only.

Yeah it's for both of the leading position of the management side and the coaching side.

 

[40yearfan]

I was going to take the time to answer this post, but--



--this post answered yours better than I could have.

And I answered with this:

I think Jurecki is nuts. Whis would not allow MB to have that kind of input and I don't belive MB is that type of manager. As I have stated, the owner needs to be involved in any high dollar transactions. The actual nuts and bolts are handled by the field personnel.

 

[40yearfan]

LOL.

Obviously, you aren't a modern day businessman.

Nothing like having an owner that has NO IDEA what he is doing, take over operations, and drive his own business into the ground.

Happens too much these days, IMO.

Its Bidwill's money. No doubt. Supervising, and asking for reports, and demanding a great product be produced are all good things.

Bidwill thinking he is a NFL scout/GM/head coach ? THAT is laughable. What are his credentials ? Watching how to bury a sports franchise for 6+ decades, and become a laughing stock ?

His money, his responsibility. He wants to reign over all it, like a Jerry Jones ?

Sure! But, then don't waste money on a GM, and head coach.

If you are going to hire people that know better, then let the people that know better do their job.

Kinda like when an electrical engineer says you have to put "blank" on the boat or you won't have enough power, and the "boss" says they are not going to do it. Only to watch the anarchy ensue when the boat gets to the water, and there is not enough power.

Time, money, man-power, resources, all down the crapper. Why ? Cause the guy holding the money can't get out of his own way, and see through his own arrogance.

Just cause you have money, doesn't mean anything more than you have money. Doesn't make you smarter, better looking, or a better person just by having it.

Don't believe me ? See Jerry Jones.

The Cardinals have been owned by the Bidwill's for over 50 years. There aren't many family businesses that survive for that length of time. For anyone to suggest that a person with his own personal funds involved to just abdicate spending authority to a manager shows how little you know about how the actual business world works. For one thing, MB has been involved with this organization for the past 10 years. For you to assume he hasn't learned a thing in those 10 years is ridiculous. Just because a person is rich doesn't mean he is stupid. MB is a very smart individual in spite of his wealth. You've been listening to too many Obama commercials.

 

[Cardiac]

The Cardinals have been owned by the Bidwill's for over 50 years. There aren't many family businesses that survive for that length of time. For anyone to suggest that a person with his own personal funds involved to just abdicate spending authority to a manager shows how little you know about how the actual business world works. For one thing, MB has been involved with this organization for the past 10 years. For you to assume he hasn't learned a thing in those 10 years is ridiculous. Just because a person is rich doesn't mean he is stupid. MB is a very smart individual in spite of his wealth. You've been listening to too many Obama commercials.

Yep, the list of failed NFL franchises is rather lengthy.

You lose all credibility when giving Sr any credit for sustaining an NFL franchise.

 

[gmabel830]

Yep, the list of failed NFL franchises is rather lengthy.

You lose all credibility when giving Sr any credit for sustaining an NFL franchise.

Actually, it is quite lengthy, just not very recent..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_National_Football_League_franchises

 

[40yearfan]

Yep, the list of failed NFL franchises is rather lengthy.

You lose all credibility when giving Sr any credit for sustaining an NFL franchise.

If you bothered to check up on your history before writing this non-sense, you'd realize how wrong you are. Running an NFL franchise was not an easy job before the large TV revenues started comming in about 10 years ago and that's the period I am talking about. Thel Bidwill family was able to hang onto this franchise through some mighty bad times and Bill Bidwill was a big part of that. Just because you don't like the WAY he did it doesn't change the fact that he DID do it.

 

[Duckjake]

If you bothered to check up on your history before writing this non-sense, you'd realize how wrong you are. Running an NFL franchise was not an easy job before the large TV revenues started comming in about 10 years ago and that's the period I am talking about. Thel Bidwill family was able to hang onto this franchise through some mighty bad times and Bill Bidwill was a big part of that. Just because you don't like the WAY he did it doesn't change the fact that he DID do it.

I don't know what kind of business manager Bill Bidwill was, although moving to Phoenix and playing in a dump with no luxury boxes or concessions etc. for almost 20 years doesn't say a lot for him, but I do know he has been terrible at promoting his product.

The Cards home attendance has been higher than their road attendance only 3 times since 1962 when he and Stormy took over. First year in Arizona. Buddy's first year as HC and 2009 after the NFC Championship. 3 times in 50 years.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think that Keim has earned a good if not great reputation in the Cards FO and you can see his influence grow during each draft.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bethel earns the MVP award for ST's play. Massie looks to be a great pick. I'm not sold on Floyd being worthy of the 13th pick of the draft but I am rather bullish on his future.

That's funny when his "rep" is supposedly focussing only on the SEC. Massie is from Ole Miss and Bethel from Presbyterian. That kind of flies in the face of that reputation.

The reason he may gotten the SEC rep is because that was his area of coverage when he was scouting. Teams usually assign scouts to different regions of the country.

 

[Cardiac]

Actually, it is quite lengthy, just not very recent..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_National_Football_League_franchises

Vast majority were in the 1920's so not very recent is a bit of an understatement but thanks for the link.

If you bothered to check up on your history before writing this non-sense, you'd realize how wrong you are. Running an NFL franchise was not an easy job before the large TV revenues started comming in about 10 years ago and that's the period I am talking about. Thel Bidwill family was able to hang onto this franchise through some mighty bad times and Bill Bidwill was a big part of that. Just because you don't like the WAY he did it doesn't change the fact that he DID do it.

Bill Sr. started running the team in the 1960's and then purchased it outright in 1972. So not a single NFL franchise has gone under during the time Sr had any say so with the Cards.

It was interesting to see how many NFL franchised went under in roaring 20's but has nothing to do with what kind of business man Bill Sr is.

Now he does get credit for buying out his brother and becoming the sole owner in 1972. That's about it for his business acumen.