Kerr coming on XTRA910 shortly.

[SunsTzu]

I personally can't believe Kerr passed up as many opportunities as he has been offered over the years to be the lightning rod and puppert of one Robert Sarver.

Yeah me either. Maybe he is getting a share of the savings.

 

[F-Dog]

I'd still blame him for not putting the proper people in place and letting BC walk.

BC sold two first-round picks to Utah back when JC still owned the franchise.

This seems to be an organizational problem--at some point they all came to the conclusion that these picks weren't worth very much, and instead of sticking to the budget, they're better off selling their picks.


Remember last summer, there was an article about how Sarver was encouraging the FO not to be stingy? The contract they gave to Marcus Banks back then is killing the team's future, just as the contract they gave to Quentin Richardson (dumping the #7 to make room) is killing the "right now".

That's the lesson they actually need to take from the Spurs--if they're going to have a tight budget, they need to make every dollar count. No more running around with your heads off, trading for Jahidi White in October or signing Jalen Rose for $1.5m in November.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

The league pays for 1/2 the salary of a vet on the min, so why wouldn't you fill your BENCH, not starters with these players?

And that, my friends, is the $arver managerial philosophy in a nut shell. Trying to build a championship team by paying half your roster .50 on the dollar.

 

[SunsTzu]

This seems to be an organizational problem--at some point they all came to the conclusion that these picks weren't worth very much, and instead of sticking to the budget, they're better off selling their picks.

No need to remind me that is still the worst trade in team history(atleast since I've been followign the Suns). However if BC was still here I don't think the Suns get completely undressed the way they were this year.

 

[F-Dog]

And that, my friends, is the $arver managerial philosophy in a nut shell. Trying to build a championship team by paying half your roster .50 on the dollar.

That's fine, save some money. Just don't be stupid about it.

 

[F-Dog]

No need to remind me that is still the worst trade in team history(atleast since I've been followign the Suns). However if BC was still here I don't think the Suns get completely undressed the way they were this year.

The problem isn't that the Suns have abandoned BC's philosophy--it's that they're still slavishly following it. How would the last two years have been any different with Bryan running the show here?

 

[SunsTzu]

The problem isn't that the Suns have abandoned BC's philosophy--it's that they're still slavishly following it. How would the last two years have been any different with Bryan running the show here?

I doubt the Bobcats toy with the Suns the way they did this year or the Suns see the 30th pick go for more value than their 24th pick if BC was still here.

 

[Gaddabout]

Not looking to push the boundaries here because the thread was moved, just didn't think anyone saw it where it's at ...

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1405932

 

[F-Dog]

I doubt the Bobcats toy with the Suns the way they did this year...

Why wouldn't they? They had all the leverage.

The last transaction BC had with Charlotte was when he dumped Jahidi White's expiring $5m contract on them, and the price for that was the late lottery pick the Bobcats used to pick Sean May.

They were probably asking for Atlanta's pick to take KT's contract, and BC might have given in.

 

[SunsTzu]

Why wouldn't they? They had all the leverage.

The last transaction BC had with Charlotte was when he dumped Jahidi White's expiring $5m contract on them, and the price for that was the late lottery pick the Bobcats used to pick Sean May.

They were probably asking for Atlanta's pick to take KT's contract, and BC might have given in.

So you were in favor of keeping White that year and not being able to offer little more than mle as opposed to having the capspace for a max contract? If you're going to criticize a deal do ti for trading Knights expiring contract for White in the 1st place.

I never recall a team having a deal in place with the Suns on draft day and backing out at the last minute when there was a Colangelo in charge/ Not to mention the fact that I'm confident BC could have atleast gotten even value for the 24th pick that the 30th got.

 

[F-Dog]

So you were in favor of keeping White that year and not being able to offer little more than mle as opposed to having the capspace for a max contract? If you're going to criticize a deal do ti for trading Knights expiring contract for White in the 1st place.

No, I'm saying that when he doesn't have the leverage, BC gets bent over just like our current group does.

It is true that BC had his deals finalized on draft day. That's why they traded the #7 pick to Chicago even after Iguodala dropped.

 

[F-Dog]

I never recall a team having a deal in place with the Suns on draft day and backing out at the last minute when there was a Colangelo in charge/ Not to mention the fact that I'm confident BC could have atleast gotten even value for the 24th pick that the 30th got.

One more thing--the Suns' "value" from this trade is the Blazers agreeing to take James Jones. If it weren't for that, the Suns would have sold off #29 too.

 

[SunsTzu]

One more thing--the Suns' "value" from this trade is the Blazers agreeing to take James Jones. If it weren't for that, the Suns would have sold off #29 too.

Then it's all that much worse because other teams would have been willing to take Jones for nothing imo.

 

[Eastern_Sun]

I am not sure how JJ & Amare getting hurt and Amare & Diaw jumping off the bench has anything to do with our GM not wanting to change. You can't replace that type of production from a draft pick or swapping talent. Lets face it Mike doesn't use his bench so no matter what rookie we brought in unless his name was Durrant they wouldn't have seen any minutes. I for one am happy we didn't rip this team up again. I am still hoping we sign Hill and possible Blake. The only changes I would like to see is us moving Banks I feel he will do very well in the summer league and some teams will have intrest in him

Well said. I don't really think of the suns 'losing' to the Spurs. The Spurs had to cheat to get that win. D'Antoni needs to work on his bench earlier in the season in order to fully trust them down the road.

 

[Joe Mama]

Then it's all that much worse because other teams would have been willing to take Jones for nothing imo.

If other teams would have been willing to take James Jones for nothing the Phoenix Suns would have done it. I'm right there with some of you guys with some of this criticism, but the vast majority of you have gone completely overboard. IMO you've been the worst in this thread.

Joe Mama

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

I never recall a team having a deal in place with the Suns on draft day and backing out at the last minute when there was a Colangelo in charge/ Not to mention the fact that I'm confident BC could have atleast gotten even value for the 24th pick that the 30th got.

Wow, how quickly you have forgotten about Q to NY for KT. Oh wait, now it's Q and the the rights to Nate Rob for KT.....

 

[F-Dog]

Then it's all that much worse because other teams would have been willing to take Jones for nothing imo.

C'mon, get serious here.

This is the tightest free agent market in years--plenty of good players will wind up taking less than half of what they're asking for. Which of the teams under the cap would you expect to spend $3m of their precious cap space on a shooting forward who can't shoot?

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

One more thing--the Suns' "value" from this trade is the Blazers agreeing to take James Jones. If it weren't for that, the Suns would have sold off #29 too.

I don't think they would have sold off #29 as well. I think that the plan was to draft one "guaranteed contract". And when that fell through at #8 and then #24 (not sure what the deal was), then #29 was it. If they had drafted, say Bellinelli, at #24, then I think that the #29 would have been traded "for future considerations"...

 

[F-Dog]

I don't think they would have sold off #29 as well. I think that the plan was to draft one "guaranteed contract". And when that fell through at #8 and then #24 (not sure what the deal was), then #29 was it. If they had drafted, say Bellinelli, at #24, then I think that the #29 would have been traded "for future considerations"...

How much luxury tax were the Suns on the hook for this season? $10m?

I think the Suns' plan coming into the draft was to wipe out at least half of that, and they were going to liquidate as many assets as they needed to in order to get there.

 

[Chaplin]

How much luxury tax were the Suns on the hook for this season? $10m?

I think the Suns' plan coming into the draft was to wipe out at least half of that, and they were going to liquidate as many assets as they needed to in order to get there.

And they did it by getting rid of one of three picks and James Jones. Outside of Marcus Banks, I don't think it could have gone much better.

 

[F-Dog]

And they did it by getting rid of one of three picks and James Jones. Outside of Marcus Banks, I don't think it could have gone much better.

Yeah, the rumor going into the draft was that they would use that pick to dump KT, but that seemed optimistic to me the first time I heard it.


Where the Suns were fools was in getting into this situation in the first place. Everybody on this board has been waiting for this for two years now, and the Suns' front office has had its head in the sand that entire time.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

How much luxury tax were the Suns on the hook for this season? $10m?

I think the Suns' plan coming into the draft was to wipe out at least half of that, and they were going to liquidate as many assets as they needed to in order to get there.

I don't believe this. The 24 and 29 weren't much different in practical value, the variation being whatever team might have been hot on a player in that range. If a "24" player was available the Suns would have drafted him and then did the Jones thing with the 29. After getting laughed at by GMs when Kerr aproached with Banks, I am sure they knew that getting rid of Banks had to be a bigger deal. Perhaps he was gone with KT or Marion to the Cats if that had gone down. Who knows?

 

[SunsTzu]

If other teams would have been willing to take James Jones for nothing the Phoenix Suns would have done it. I'm right there with some of you guys with some of this criticism, but the vast majority of you have gone completely overboard. IMO you've been the worst in this thread.

Joe Mama

Maybe I have gone overboard a bit, but I do not think the Suns are making the right moves to win a championship. And it is extremely frustrating since they are so close.

 

[SunsTzu]

Wow, how quickly you have forgotten about Q to NY for KT. Oh wait, now it's Q and the the rights to Nate Rob for KT.....

True and I do blame BC for that because Q got wind of the trade(like when Kidd was traded) before it went down and made comments about not coming back.

 

[Joe Mama]

I just made the mistake of turning on XTRA. I just can't take listening to stupid fans much less commentators who don't know what they're talking about. This clown on the radio right now is acting like James Jones was an asset. He makes it sound like we threw in a key piece to get a trade done (James Jones).

Unloading James Jones contract was a big part of that deal. the Phoenix Suns had to use the pick to get rid of him. His value was negative.

Joe