Kerr: "The team is in evaluation mode"

[jlove]

Trade Amare for Marcus Camby.

Maybe it will re-awaken Boris Diaw.

Bell, Marion, and Camby might make up for our defensive shortcomings and give us a shot at making the finals.

Of course the shake-up should include D'Antoni too.

These players don't respond to him. They have no discipline and its due to his "anything goes" attitude.

Amare straight up for Camby is ridiculous. A few pieces need to be added in. A trade that I might do with Denver would be:
Amare/Barbosa/Banks for Camby/Nene/Smith
It works money wise and would give us 2 bigs in return. Camby is a rebounding and blocking fool, Nene is a poor mans Amare and Smith (although not all there mentally) would flourish here with the set ups that players get with Nash, Grant and Diaw controlling the ball.

 

[nowagimp]

Positions are irrelevant when you have a prince and a marion on the floor. If anything its a disadvantage to the other team to have to guard two of the exact same players. It was make us silly deep too. Just silly.

Nash
Bell/Barbosa
Hill/Prince
Marion/Diaw
Wallace/Skinner

Thats just a silly deep bench

Id even go for a Wallace/Prince/Hamilton for Amare/Bell/Banks/ATL

Yeah, or just plain silly.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Trade Amare for Marcus Camby.

Maybe it will re-awaken Boris Diaw.

Bell, Marion, and Camby might make up for our defensive shortcomings and give us a shot at making the finals.

Of course the shake-up should include D'Antoni too.

These players don't respond to him. They have no discipline and its due to his "anything goes" attitude.

Great idea

Lets trade Amare because we are worried about his knees and defense for a guy on the wrong side of 30 with 10X as much of an injury history and as bad at offense as Amare is at defense.

BRILLIANT!

 

[mribnik]

If the Suns can sign PJ Brown at the trade deadline I think they would have all the pieces to be a championship team. If that's not possible though, I wouldn't make any major changes unless a solid big man becomes available.

 

[Covert Rain]

Great idea

Lets trade Amare because we are worried about his knees and defense for a guy on the wrong side of 30 with 10X as much of an injury history and as bad at offense as Amare is at defense.

BRILLIANT!

 

[Errntknght]

A major trade will go down in the next week or so... I just pray its not Amare.

I don't see a major trade happening in that time frame because Kerr will get very little back if he shops someone in a hurry. It's not like Marion or Amare have GMs around the league drooling at the prospect of getting them - and they are the only two major pieces the team would consider trading. Frankly, I don't think any trade will happen until the deadline and even then its unlikely.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

In D'Antoni's system, Marion will guard centers, PF, SF, and SG... even PG at times (see Marion on Parker). Who says they play the same spot?

I do. We can't expect to not be in even bigger rebounding trouble if we are expecting Marion to guard C's all the time.

Amare has a hard enough time and he is 6'10"

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Trade one of the Dantonis for a real bigman coach.

 

[TBaslim]

A major trade will go down in the next week or so... I just pray its not Amare.

Based on...intuition?

 

[Covert Rain]

Based on...intuition?

Anytime your management comes out and says they are in evaluation mode that means 1 of 2 things.

They are considering a trade.

They are considering a coaching change.

They are obviously not happy with the way things are going. So they want to look at what happens this week to probably determine if a trade needs to be made.

 

[Skkorpion]

Bad post

 

[TBaslim]

Should have known better than to venture back to this board where having a truly superior team to enjoy and support just doesn't seem to elicit much joy.

Yup - there is something strangely sadistic about coming to these boards right now. It's like we are a bad lottery team or something. Still a great team, but a very uptight fan base.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yup - there is something strangely sadistic about coming to these boards right now. It's like we are a bad lottery team or something. Still a great team, but a very uptight fan base.

Almost like the Cardinals board...

:82:

 

[TBaslim]

Almost like the Cardinals board...

:82:

Zing! Touche!

 

[Covert Rain]

Almost like the Cardinals board...

:82:

Nice.

 

[nowagimp]

Yup. It's the system. Really sucks.

When we lose, particularly in the playoffs, it's always the system. Injuries and the other teams' good players have nothing to do with it. Nope.

Should have known better than to venture back to this board where having a truly superior team to enjoy and support just doesn't seem to elicit much joy.

I hear you, Diaw goes out and gets 11pts/6asst, plays hard on D, and looks good running the offense and the first thing you hear is trade him, LB(3-7 last night from 3) for chum. And a bunch of guys called the Hill signing crap as well at that time. Unless the suns stop playing the system, winning wont matter. Everyone forgets the injuries, just wants to blow the team up NOW. As it turns out, I heard last night that LB played with bone chips in his shooting elbow last year in the spurs series, he had surgery after the series. But no one know or cares, thats the way it is. Last night manu was 6-19 and 1-6 from 3pt range, barbs was 6-19 and 3-7, but he "cant shoot". Manu has shot 44.7% FG's and 40.5% from 3 this year. Barbs is at 46.8% FG's and 34.4% from 3. Manu is open from 3pt range way more I'll bet with TD down low. Barbs isnt as good as manu, but he sure doesnt get any comparative credit around here. the glass will always be half empty here at ASFN until the suns win a championship.

 

[oneofthesedays]

The only attractive trading chip you have is Barbosa. Everyone else has either bloated contracts or is too valuable to give up. You gotta give to get, I think the only thing the Suns are missing is a bigman defender. If you could find someone who can guard the TD's of the league you have a legit shot at a title. Don't need to dismantle the system, but one of your good players is gonna have to go to make it all work.

 

[TucsonDevil]

The only attractive trading chip you have is Barbosa... but one of your good players is gonna have to go to make it all work.

Didn't you just talk yourself out of your first point with your last comment?


BTW, the Suns have several attractive trading chips. Do you think a GM would say agree to Amare for a stiff? If you say yes, then Amare becomes an "attractive trading chip" and your original statement is wrong. Also - I don't see anyone suggesting Diaw/Pike for Dwight Howard... but wouldn't it be great!

 

[nowagimp]

If you could find someone who can guard the TD's of the league you have a legit shot at a title.

Yeah, that about describes the problem of every team the spurs beat on their way to the title. Tim Duncan IS the reason Tony Parker gets to the hoop at will, and that Manu is either wide open or one-on-one on most plays. No one in the NBA can guard Duncan one-on-one. The Nuggets doubled him a ton in last years playoffs and "held" him to 20ppg. Great job marcus and hilario, only problem is that TD dished 6.5 asst a game and guys like Fins and Bowen, who cant create their own shot, drilled a bunch of wide open shots and the nuggests went down in 5 games. Well, at least they werent swept, but they played good defense on Tim Duncan(arghhh!).

I dont know why it doesnt register, a winning plan by DA, by POPs, by PJ is to let the superstar score, just limit his ability to makes others better. Let Kobe go off, make Nash score, let amare score 37ppg, let Duncan score 36, let jordan score 63 points as the celtics did, the bulls still lost. One guy cant beat you if you have a good team, as long as you limit his supporting cast.

 

[Skkorpion]

Damn, Tbaslim, you guys are too quick. I instantly regretted my post as being too critical of other posters and inflammatory to boot.

So I wiped it out only to find I was too late.

Apologies to all. We/I sometimes take sports too seriously. I'm older now and really do enjoy the journeys through the regular seasons more.

Wish I could convince more of you younger guys to get more fun and satisfaction out of your teams' play.

 

[mojorizen7]

I couldn't be happier to hear that the SUNS brass is evaluating things. Even if they don't make a move, it's a good sign that someone realizes that this team may not be equal to the sum of its parts in terms of being a championship caliber team.
I read thru everyone's comments and found it very interesting.
I have said this before....as long as DA & Nash are here, the SUNS will lead the league in scoring & no championships. Even with losing a piece like Amare for a DOY like M.Camby we'd still be a top scoring offense but IMO would miss Amares offense in the playoffs and be flawed yet again.(even with Camby's presence on D).
Now if we could bring in one of these guys for Marion, Amare would flourish IMO.
I love the thought of bringing in a Camby/Nene, or an Artest, or "X" defensive stud, but unfortunately i'm not convinced that DA would know what to do with being forced to play a lineup of a couple guys that can't score. Could DA live with a team that doesn't need to play 100MPH to win games? I don't know.
I believe the problem lies in the system but many of you don't feel that way i know.
Bottom line IMO: If DA stays & returns next season , trading Marion for a defensive stalwart would be our best option.
I don't think anything will get done but who knows?

 

[TucsonDevil]

Damn, Tbaslim, you guys are too quick. I instantly regretted my post as being too critical of other posters and inflammatory to boot.

So I wiped it out only to find I was too late.

Apologies to all. We/I sometimes take sports too seriously. I'm older now and really do enjoy the journeys through the regular seasons more.

Wish I could convince more of you younger guys to get more fun and satisfaction out of your teams' play.

I am probably 'older' than the median age of posters of the forum (Kyle Macy and Walter Davis were my first Suns 'heroes'). I tend to agree that enjoying the season is half of the fun. However, my criticism is derived from a vantage point of this - three years of the same hasn't resulted in a championship. If that is the stated goal of management and players, then keeping the status quo is a proven failure. Anyhow, I am pleased to see Kerr state he is evaluating things right now. It gives me hope that he has come to realize the same.

I still love the team, I still watch the games, and I still purchase the merchandise. But, I hope for more.

 

[DeAnna]

I dont know why it doesnt register, a winning plan by DA, by POPs, by PJ is to let the superstar score, just limit his ability to makes others better. Let Kobe go off, make Nash score, let amare score 37ppg, let Duncan score 36, let jordan score 63 points as the celtics did, the bulls still lost. One guy cant beat you if you have a good team, as long as you limit his supporting cast.

I agree - I don't understand why people criticize that strategy and start whining about Duncan going off. That IS the strategy and it works. They had a chart on ESPN on Duncan; every time he has scored over 30-15, the Spurs have lost.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Since there are evaluations going on, I'll put this here rather than the trade thread.

Amare and Raja

for

Kobe and Bynum


no picks involved. Works under the cap. Not sure I would want to do it, but its the best offer that the Lakers could get for Kobe and it would give us a decent big too.

We would be better defensively, better 3 point shooting, better in the half court. We would be worse in the post. And Boris gets the chance to shine again.

 

[Ollie]

Since there are evaluations going on, I'll put this here rather than the trade thread.

Amare and Raja

for

Kobe and Bynum


no picks involved. Works under the cap. Not sure I would want to do it, but its the best offer that the Lakers could get for Kobe and it would give us a decent big too.

Damn I'd do it, where do Steve Kerr has to sign to make it happen?

Too bad there's absolutely no chance the Lakers would make that deal.