Kevin Kolb is done (IMO)

[nashman]

And not against number two defenses in preseason I want to see him against the number ones

 

[nashman]

And what seems like a constant with this Team playcalling is terrible and what's up with no hot routes when we know we have line issues but no quick hitting plays? Just too many bad things to judge

 

[Duckjake]

And what seems like a constant with this Team playcalling is terrible and what's up with no hot routes when we know we have line issues but no quick hitting plays? Just too many bad things to judge

That is obvious when watching the coaches film. QBs under pressure and no WR either running a short route or even looking back at the QB. CKW talks about the 3 step drop but what good does that do when the WRs and TEs take 3 seconds to get to a spot where they can catch the football.

 

[kerouac9]

I dont know about all of that, but it is painfully obvious that the defense smells blood in the water. They basically kept sending the house just to see him squirm.

And every defense in the NFL has already seen film on it. It seemed to me that in that first possession the Raiders D was sitting back because they were working on some other concepts that they wanted film on.

Second possession, they actually applied a little pressure, and Kolb folds like grandma's underpants. Ugly, ugly stuff.

 

[nashman]

I would argue that the offense of line folded like grandma's underpants! Skelton would've looked just as bad in the same situation against their number one defense

 

[Duckjake]

I'm not making excuses for
Kolb I wanna see Skelton get lots more time playing in a game situation if we're gonna roll with him as the starter

I want to see Skelton get less playing time except for next week. That's what teams do in pre season with their starting QB. Very few plays except for the 3rd pre season game and they usually don't play at all in game 4.

 

[Phrazbit]

I hope they find a way to waive him... I'm sick of seeing him, I see no upside at all. Even at the risk of having no solid backup. I dont want the team to find an excuse to put him back in and I'd rather them give someone, anyone else a shot should Skelton go down.

 

[clif]

And every defense in the NFL has already seen film on it. It seemed to me that in that first possession the Raiders D was sitting back because they were working on some other concepts that they wanted film on.

Second possession, they actually applied a little pressure, and Kolb folds like grandma's underpants. Ugly, ugly stuff.

Yeah but some of those guys have free runs at the QB. I paused my DVR on one play and Batista and I think Synder are both face planted into the ground as guys are ripping Kolb down. He didnt have a shot after the first drive

 

[Phrazbit]

I would argue that the offense of line folded like grandma's underpants! Skelton would've looked just as bad in the same situation against their number one defense

Last week Skelton saw the number one defense and Kolb came in as the reserve and it was more of the same. Skelton looked good (outside of his last throw on a desperation heave) and the protection was serviceable. Then Kolb came in against the opposition backups... and the clown music started to play.

Eventually you gotta admit to yourself that Kolb is the problem.

 

[Duckjake]

I would argue that the offense of line folded like grandma's underpants! Skelton would've looked just as bad in the same situation against their number one defense

I disagree. Skelton looks for receivers. Kolb looks for pass rushers. Skelton is bigger and stronger and so can handle the pressure better.

Again he played 5 games against top 10 defenses last season and didn't fold. He was one of 3 guys to QB a win against the 4and9ers. A 2nd year QB from Fordham who had basically no off season to prepare.

What more do you want? 6-2 not good enough?

 

[nashman]

stop with the 6-2 crap the defense was the reason we won the second half of the season and the whole reason Skelton had to make some comebacks is cause he put us in the whole early with some ridiculous throws an interceptions. The team gave up far less points in the second half of the season than they did in the first half.

 

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[nashman]

I guess I just never liked the way the wiz handles the quarterback situation always seems to want to play some games, just pick your guy and put them in there and see what he's got

 

[Duckjake]

stop with the 6-2 crap the defense was the reason we won the second half of the season and the whole reason Skelton had to make some comebacks is cause he put us in the whole early with some ridiculous throws an interceptions. The team gave up far less points in the second half of the season than they did in the first half.

Stop with the defense is the reason we won games in the 2nd half of the season crap. It's an Urban myth. I've already proven that the Defense didn't win any games. None. They scored zero points. They gave DDeuce very few short fields. Forced one more turnover in the last 9 games than they did in the first 7. We won exactly the same # of games on a PP21 punt return in the 2nd half of the season as we did the first half.

The defense kept us in the games against crummy offenses. John Skelton and his clutch play and the offense won those games against top defenses.

Spouting the company line doesn't change the facts.

 

[bg7brd]

Stop with the defense is the reason we won games in the 2nd half of the season crap. It's an Urban myth. I've already proven that the Defense didn't win any games. None. They scored zero points. They gave DDeuce very few short fields. Forced one more turnover in the last 9 games than they did in the first 7. We won exactly the same # of games on a PP21 punt return in the 2nd half of the season as we did the first half.

The defense kept us in the games against crummy offenses. John Skelton and his clutch play and the offense won those games against top defenses.

Spouting the company line doesn't change the facts.

I agree completely! Good stuff!

 

[O]

It's an Urban myth.

What does Darrin have to do with this?

 

[TJ]

I dont know about all of that, but it is painfully obvious that the defense smells blood in the water. They basically kept sending the house just to see him squirm.

Thanks for quoting Kerouac9 on that post, clif. I've had him on "ignore" for about a year and he still can't forget about me. Quite disconcerting, to say the least.

As for Kolb -- I agree with the OP. For one reason or another, he does not look comfortable behind center. I liked his effort to stay in the pocket tonight, but on 3 and 5 step drops, he just froze as if he forgot the next sequence in a dance move. The pressure of being the $63 million man, the least admired of the two competitors, and the injury bug probably all play a role in his regression. Sucks, but good organizations don't lament on their misses; they admit their transgressions and move on. Let's see if Whiz and Co. will do this.

By default, Skelton should be declared the winner of the battle at the noon press conference tomorrow and should be prepared as such going forward. I'm not buying that he's the long-term answer at the position until he proves he can play quality football for 60 minutes instead of 5.

Therefore, Double Deuce had better be the nickname of a quality QB instead of the morning after eating expired Mexican food.

 

[ajcardfan]

I would argue that the offense of line folded like grandma's underpants! Skelton would've looked just as bad in the same situation against their number one defense

I agree that the line was atrocious when Kolb was in there. And, the WRs weren't getting open quick. BUT, this has happened three straight games that the line blocks better when Skelton is in there. It's very noticable.

Whatever the reason, it is what it is. Skelton is going to be the main guy this season because the team just plays better when he's in there. Kolb getting a game or two if Skelton is dinged is the best he can hope for. But, I'm sticking to my prediction that the loser of the race gets cut so Lindley is on the active roster. Yeah, I don't think they want him exposed to waivers. Bartel is the third guy.

 

[40yearfan]

I agree that the line was atrocious when Kolb was in there. And, the WRs weren't getting open quick. BUT, this has happened three straight games that the line blocks better when Skelton is in there. It's very noticable.

Whatever the reason, it is what it is. Skelton is going to be the main guy this season because the team just plays better when he's in there. Kolb getting a game or two if Skelton is dinged is the best he can hope for. But, I'm sticking to my prediction that the loser of the race gets cut so Lindley is on the active roster. Yeah, I don't think they want him exposed to waivers. Bartel is the third guy.

Speaking of Bartel, he didn't play at all tonight. I wonder if they plan on using him extensively in game 4?

 

[desertdawg]

Thanks for quoting Kerouac9 on that post, clif. I've had him on "ignore" for about a year and he still can't forget about me. Quite disconcerting, to say the least.

As for Kolb -- I agree with the OP. For one reason or another, he does not look comfortable behind center. I liked his effort to stay in the pocket tonight, but on 3 and 5 step drops, he just froze as if he forgot the next sequence in a dance move. The pressure of being the $63 million man, the least admired of the two competitors, and the injury bug probably all play a role in his regression. Sucks, but good organizations don't lament on their misses; they admit their transgressions and move on. Let's see if Whiz and Co. will do this.

By default, Skelton should be declared the winner of the battle at the noon press conference tomorrow and should be prepared as such going forward. I'm not buying that he's the long-term answer at the position until he proves he can play quality football for 60 minutes instead of 5.

Therefore, Double Deuce had better be the nickname of a quality QB instead of the morning after eating expired Mexican food.

He's all we got though. #SMH

 

[kerouac9]

Thanks for quoting Kerouac9 on that post, clif. I've had him on "ignore" for about a year and he still can't forget about me. Quite disconcerting, to say the least.

As for Kolb -- I agree with the OP. For one reason or another, he does not look comfortable behind center. I liked his effort to stay in the pocket tonight, but on 3 and 5 step drops, he just froze as if he forgot the next sequence in a dance move. The pressure of being the $63 million man, the least admired of the two competitors, and the injury bug probably all play a role in his regression. Sucks, but good organizations don't lament on their misses; they admit their transgressions and move on. Let's see if Whiz and Co. will do this.

By default, Skelton should be declared the winner of the battle at the noon press conference tomorrow and should be prepared as such going forward. I'm not buying that he's the long-term answer at the position until he proves he can play quality football for 60 minutes instead of 5.

Therefore, Double Deuce had better be the nickname of a quality QB instead of the morning after eating expired Mexican food.

Just because you have me on ignore doesn't mean that I suddenly forget how you and AZF were leading the charge for Kevin Kolb. If you can admit that you were wrong, and it turns out that he only looked good in two games because he was playing against toothless defenses as the 7th or 8th best player on this offense, and putting our eggs in the Kolb basket was a mistake, we'll bury the hatchet.

I've come correct on Daryl Washington and am in the process of doing so with Ryan Williams. You were wrong on Kevin Kolb in a big, big way. Some of us can read the quarterback position, and others of us come out and say that Kevin Kolb is going to be a Top 10 quarterback in this league.

 

[ajcardfan]

Speaking of Bartel, he didn't play at all tonight. I wonder if they plan on using him extensively in game 4?

My feeling is they know quite well what they have in Bartel. The coaches talk about how he has a complete grasp of the offense and he's proven what he can do in preseason already. I think they wanted a really long look at Lindley to make sure they are doing the right thing when they keep him on the active roster.

 

[TJ]

stop with the 6-2 crap the defense was the reason we won the second half of the season and the whole reason Skelton had to make some comebacks is cause he put us in the whole early with some ridiculous throws an interceptions. The team gave up far less points in the second half of the season than they did in the first half.

Which is why I'm not buying stock in Skelton quite yet. Last season, for three quarters, Skelton was amongst the worst starting QBs in the game. He put the defense in an awkward position with ill-timed interceptions and poorly missed passes. But it's easier to play Comeback Kid when all you have to do is score more than 18 points as opposed to 27 points, which is the difference +/- in PPG allowed to finish the season (also explains how Alex Smith became a "winning" QB). Even the Raider broadcasters tonight mentioned on multiple occasions how the entire AZ defense stepped up to finish the 2011 season.

As I stated earlier, Skelton needs to learn how to get in rhythm early on in games. The 2012 schedule is filled with teams that can light up a score board (GB, NE, ATL, DET, CHI, etc.). Skelton can only go head-to-head with these teams if he starts well early on.

 

[desertdawg]

Just because you have me on ignore doesn't mean that I suddenly forget how you and AZF were leading the charge for Kevin Kolb. If you can admit that you were wrong, and it turns out that he only looked good in two games because he was playing against toothless defenses as the 7th or 8th best player on this offense, and putting our eggs in the Kolb basket was a mistake, we'll bury the hatchet.

I've come correct on Daryl Washington and am in the process of doing so with Ryan Williams. You were wrong on Kevin Kolb in a big, big way. Some of us can read the quarterback position, and others of us come out and say that Kevin Kolb is going to be a Top 10 quarterback in this league.

I was pimpin Kolb the whole time too, I aint gonna lie.

 

[Chopper0080]

I agree that the line was atrocious when Kolb was in there. And, the WRs weren't getting open quick. BUT, this has happened three straight games that the line blocks better when Skelton is in there. It's very noticable.

Whatever the reason, it is what it is. Skelton is going to be the main guy this season because the team just plays better when he's in there. Kolb getting a game or two if Skelton is dinged is the best he can hope for. But, I'm sticking to my prediction that the loser of the race gets cut so Lindley is on the active roster. Yeah, I don't think they want him exposed to waivers. Bartel is the third guy.

It is not the line blocking better, it is the QB managing the situation. I've said it, others have stated it, and it is the absolute truth, you HAVE to unload the ball to beat the blitz. Kolb is too gun shy to do this because he is focused on the rushers, and not the wide receivers.

Even IF the receivers aren't getting open quick enough, as a QB you HAVE to manage the situation and unload the ball even if it is just to avoid a negative play.