Kings @ Suns Tuesday game thread 1-7-20

[Rab]

I can understand the Ayton griping when he puts up another whopping SINGLE free throw and DOESN’T GET A SINGLE REBOUND THE ENTIRE FOURTH QUARTER.

Looked to me like he ran out of gas in the fourth. Unfortunately he’s still in early season conditioning while the rest of the league is in full swing. He has to be better.


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[1Sun]

You say this garbage... every time he has a quarter where he doesn't play well, that he is quitting and wants out... if you want to argue that if we continue to suck that he WILL want out... people wouldn't disagree.

But no... you are 100% reactionary, you decided dudes are quitting on the team anytime they hit a slump, even if it for a stinking quarter.

Find a new shtick.

MaoTosiFanClub, what was it you said about "deluding themselves"?...

 

[SunnyBaller]

I can understand the Ayton griping when he puts up another whopping SINGLE free throw and DOESN’T GET A SINGLE REBOUND THE ENTIRE FOURTH QUARTER.

To be fair what rebounds is he gonna get in the fourth when the king's are making all there shots and the sun's are turning it over left and right but the free throws do need to be addressed he has to take it to the hole and not shoot so many jump shots

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Remember this is on Ayton. Not...

- Bridges before SGA (when we didn't even have a point guard on the roster)
- Cam Johnson over Herro (always take the comparable shooter who is 23 not 19)
- Josh Jackson, Bender, and Chriss (all 3 will be out of the league this time next year)
- trading TJ Warren for nothing (2nd leading scorer on a playoff team)

All those definitely suck. And none of them hold Ayton back from the free throw line or getting a single rebound in the entire fourth quarter. Ayton is hopefully part of the answer for the future. But right now he’s also definitely part of the problem.

 

[Phrazbit]

I didn't say 'brings the ball up'.

I said that (once we cross the mid-point line) Devin Booker, not Ricky Rubio, controls the ball.

C'mon, Phraz. is this about winning a debate . . . or pinpointing (from a fan's perspective) all
of the reasons why the Suns are sinking in the West?

We wouldn't be discussing it if the Suns weren't, once again, an embarrassment.

Our team does not have the roster for the needed balance. Nor do we have the players to
win 4th quarters. You can't win if you don't have CLUTCH players on offense and defense.

And again... this simply isn't true. Unless you expect Booker to be purely a catch and shoot player.

Whatever, this is probably the silliest debate of all these silly debates. Rubio has been playing the role of point guard when he is on the court, I am not going to bother to debate something that exists only in imagination.

 

[1Sun]

Looked to me like he ran out of gas in the fourth. Unfortunately he’s still in early season conditioning while the rest of the league is in full swing. He has to be better.


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That much is true, and Ayton is currently the LEAST of our problems, especially when he is just doing what the GM is encouraging him to do...

 

[Mainstreet]

After years of losing the Suns are still a rebuilding team thanks to bad drafts.

And it's hard to get excited about the draft with the Suns track record.

 

[Phrazbit]

MaoTosiFanClub, what was it you said about "deluding themselves"?...

I am debating these specific points.... the ones that only exist in your imagination.

If we suck perpetually will Booker want out? Yes... absolutely.

When Booker has a bad quarter does that mean he has quit on the team... as you so often proclaim... no... you're deluding yourself.

 

[Rab]

I guess I’m a little surprised that Carter didn’t get a crack at Fox at some point in the 4th. At least he’d have given effort which is more than I can say for the rest of the perimeter players.


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[1Sun]

And again... this simply isn't true. Unless you expect Booker to be purely a catch and shoot player.

Whatever, this is probably the silliest debate of all these silly debates. Rubio has been playing the role of point guard when he is on the court, I am not going to bother to debate something that exists only in imagination.

Not strictly a catch and shoot player, but Klay Thompson, NOT Stephen Curry. Unless and until management gets the reality of Booker's game and stops trying to turn him into Curry or Harden, Booker will never be all he could be as a Shooting Guard.

 

[JerkFace]

There have definitely been worse Suns teams... but this definitely has to be the most bipolar team ever.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Lmao let’s get rid of the player who was the most efficient in the game. Seriously, the Ayton derangement needs to stop. The team underutilized him again underneath and it cost them.

You know, he’s allowed to go get the ball in the fourth quarter. You can cry about them not getting the ball but a ridiculous athlete with his size has to shoulder the blame when he doesn’t hit the boards. 9 rebounds through 3 quarters is great! But becomes meaningless if you don’t snare a single rebound in the fourth quarter. You know, the quarter in which the team lost the lead and the game.

 

[BC867]

You say this garbage... every time he has a quarter where he doesn't play well, that he is quitting and wants out... if you want to argue that if we continue to suck that he WILL want out... people wouldn't disagree.

But no... you are 100% reactionary, you decided dudes are quitting on the team anytime they hit a slump, even if it for a stinking quarter.

Find a new shtick.

My reaction to your reaction is . . . think beyond a quarter. Look at the big picture.

It is not a "slump". Except for the first few games of the season, the Suns continue
to be an unbalanced, losing team.

 

[1Sun]

I am debating these specific points.... the ones that only exist in your imagination.

If we suck perpetually will Booker want out? Yes... absolutely.

When Booker has a bad quarter does that mean he has quit on the team... as you so often proclaim... no... you're deluding yourself.

I never said Booker has quit on the team, particularly in this thread, and you know it.

I DID say Baynes has quit on this team, and it is starting to look like Rubio has as well.

If you want to debate THAT go right ahead, but don't put words into my mouth and then accuse me of seeing a reality that exists "only in my imagination".

 

[SunnyBaller]

After years of losing the Suns are still a rebuilding team thanks to bad drafts.

It's hard to get excited about the draft with the Suns track record.

I'm not excited about their drafts at all anymore, last year ruined it for me as they pull off their dumbest move since drafting bender. even if they were to get the first pick next year they'd most likely do something stupid like trade it to the Lakers for kuzma and a second round pick

 

[Phrazbit]

My reaction to your reaction is . . . think beyond a quarter. Look at the big picture.

It is not a "slump". Except for the first few games of the season, the Suns continue
to be an unbalanced, losing team.

Sigh... you're taking one argument and lumping into something else entirely.

Never have I claimed the Suns as a team, right now, are simply in a slump.

 

[Phrazbit]

I never said Booker has quit on the team, particularly in this thread, and you know it.

I DID say Baynes has quit on this team, and it is starting to look like Rubio has as well.

If you want to debate THAT go right ahead, but don't put words into my mouth and then accuse me of seeing a reality that exists "only in my imagination".

lol, you've said you think Booker might be quitting, at LEAST like 4 or 5 times this season alone... basically every time he struggles for a shift or 2.

And I am saying your totally unsubstantiated non-sense about Rubio and Baynes is further evidence or your reactionary nonsense.

 

[cwamjn]

I guess I’m a little surprised that Carter didn’t get a crack at Fox at some point in the 4th. At least he’d have given effort which is more than I can say for the rest of the perimeter players.


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This is what frustrated me most. Dang I know Fox is an emerging superstar, but we could have at least attempted to guard him.

 

[1Sun]

After years of losing the Suns are still a rebuilding team thanks to bad drafts.

And it's hard to get excited about the draft with the Suns track record.

Particularly with a GM as obviously clueless as James Jones.

Look on the draft board for the 23 year old who can shoot at the college level and who can't do anything else, and he will be our lottery pick, even if he is ranked 30th or worse on everyone else's draft board...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

To be fair what rebounds is he gonna get in the fourth when the king's are making all there shots and the sun's are turning it over left and right but the free throws do need to be addressed he has to take it to the hole and not shoot so many jump shots

Uh, we missed plenty shots. All I hear on here is what a transcendent rebounder he is. Go getting a couple offensive rebounds. Do some freaking thing to help your team. Good lord - and this isn’t directed solely at you - but the endless supply of excuses made for him is just maddening. I understand how the anti-kylers felt preseason.

 

[1Sun]

lol, you've said you think Booker might be quitting, at LEAST like 4 or 5 times this season alone... basically every time he struggles for a shift or 2.

And I am saying your totally unsubstantiated non-sense about Rubio and Baynes is further evidence or your reactionary nonsense.

Not once. I HAVE said, several times, that Booker is visibly getting frustrated, and if things don't improve in short order, he will want out and will eventually ask out...you know, the very point MaoTosiFanClub was referencing...

 

[Rab]

The other thing that has been driving nuts is the Suns problem with fouling in the 4th quarter to the point where teams are in the bonus with 8+ minutes in the game.


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[1Sun]

To be fair what rebounds is he gonna get in the fourth when the king's are making all there shots and the sun's are turning it over left and right but the free throws do need to be addressed he has to take it to the hole and not shoot so many jump shots

What the hell do you expect when the GM is on the radio that very afternoon saying "you play to score, not to get fouled" in response to that very suggestion???

 

[TJ]

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Here’s the reason we lost. No damn bench.

 

[cwamjn]

There have definitely been worse Suns teams... but this definitely has to be the most bipolar team ever.

It's the years of losing. "Here we go again" is ingrained in this team's brains. I don't know how they get out of it, maybe Sarver just needs to let fans come to the games for free and hug the players or something, for awhile. I think the next few games will tell us how tough Monty is, he is going to have to get them out of their own heads or we could really spiral after this game.