Kiper's New 4 Round Mock

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http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/insider/columns/story?id=4054695

Has us taking:
31) Larry English
63) Shonn Greene
95) Chase Coffman
131) Corey Irvin

Has Moreno, Wells, and Brown off the board when we pick and has Laurinaitis and Matthews falling to the second round and Sidbury and Kruger falling to the third round.

 

[football karma]

I dont know if any of those guys will be any good -

but it sure looks like a cover the perceived needs with good prospects kind of draft--

I wouldnt be unhappy with that draft

 

[joeshmo]

I wouldnt mind that.

Irvin played for Georgia who does play some 3-4 schemes from time to time so he at least has some knowledge and experience in the 3-4. Is known as a disruptor. Transferred from a military college so he brings some qualities that come from that - leadership, hard working, mature, and so on. I don't think he would ever be a starter though, but a decent kid none the less.

 

[Pariah]

I like that...in fact, I may even love it.

I'm all about Larry English in the 1st. Green is okay for me in the second and I think Coffman is a very good pick in the third. I don't know a lot about Irvin.

 

[Shogun]

That looks goooood.

 

[bg7brd]

I give it the green light.

 

[Goldfield]

The first 2 are exactly how I want it to go...

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

English fits the "leverage the corner" outside backer preferred in a Steelers type 3-4 defense and Greene looks like a great compliment to Hightower. I really like this mock.

Mel's hair is beyond awful. He makes Elvis look good even when the king was on his death bed.

 

[bg7brd]

English fits the "leverage the corner" outside backer preferred in a Steelers type 3-4 defense and Greene looks like a great compliment to Hightower. I really like this mock.

Mel's hair is beyond awful. He makes Elvis look good even when the king was on his death bed.

By death bed do you mean the toilet?

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

By death bed do you mean the toilet?

What a way to die!!

 

[Dayman]

I've wanted English for months now, so I'm obviously happy with the first rounder. Not too excited about Green, but I wouldn't be upset, either. Don't know much about the other two, but a 300 lb DT seems odd, unless he'd switch to DE.

 

[Zeno]

I just don't think Greene fits our offense unless his lack of receptions in college was more a matter of the offense he played in versus his ability--I don't know for sure because I'd rather watch paint dry than the Iowa Hawkeyes....11 receptions total in his college career?

 

[Dr. Jones]

I just don't think Greene fits our offense unless his lack of receptions in college was more a matter of the offense he played in versus his ability--I don't know for sure because I'd rather watch paint dry than the Iowa Hawkeyes....11 receptions total in his college career?

+1

 

[DieHardFromMO]

I would love to have Chase Coffman. He would be a great asset to have in the redzone and short yardage situations. Obviously his blocking skills are an unknown coming from Missouri, with the major concern being his ability to stay on the field due to always seeming to be injured. Plays the game hard-nosed style and does not drop the ball when thrown to.

 

[stewdog1]

I would love to have Chase Coffman. He would be a great asset to have in the redzone and short yardage situations. Obviously his blocking skills are an unknown coming from Missouri, with the major concern being his ability to stay on the field due to always seeming to be injured. Plays the game hard-nosed style and does not drop the ball when thrown to.

Has hands like Fitz, but is TE.

 

[Stout]

Shonn G. is really, REALLY not the type of back we're looking for. We need the speedy, elusive back, not the bruising pounder with questionable speed.

 

[binkar]

Shonn G. is really, REALLY not the type of back we're looking for. We need the speedy, elusive back, not the bruising pounder with questionable speed.

I kinda agree. Shonn Greene is the one back who I am starting to be more and more concerned about. Watching his tape it seems like he always had great holes to run through and rarely was required to make anything happen himself. He has some positives, but his negatives of not being super fast, not being shifty, and not being very productive in the passing game make him not a very good fit with the Cards IMO. I actually would rather draft Paul Kruger in round 2 and pick up Javon Ringer later on in the draft. If LeSean McCoy somehow fell to us at 63 I would be the happiest man on earth, but the chances of that are slim at best.

 

[perivolaki]

I kinda agree. Shonn Greene is the one back who I am starting to be more and more concerned about. Watching his tape it seems like he always had great holes to run through and rarely was required to make anything happen himself. He has some positives, but his negatives of not being super fast, not being shifty, and not being very productive in the passing game make him not a very good fit with the Cards IMO. I actually would rather draft Paul Kruger in round 2 and pick up Javon Ringer later on in the draft. If LeSean McCoy somehow fell to us at 63 I would be the happiest man on earth, but the chances of that are slim at best.

Iowa didn't throw the ball to any of their backs much. It wasn't a function of Greene not being able to catch as Iowa not using those type passes.

I've heard more concerns about LeSean McCoy lately than any other back in the draft.

Greene and McCoy performed differently on several tests that show leg strength and explosion. Greene performed very well in the vertical with an outstanding jump of 37". He also did well in the broad jump with a jump of 10'1".

I wasn't able to find McCoys exact results from his pro day but it was said the results in those two events were lackluster.

Those two events show explosion and there is concern that McCoy doesn't have the leg strength to succeed in the NFL.

Greenes results are outstanding for a back his size and could be a sign that he possesses the strength and explosion necessary to make it in the league.

 

[lauraw]

I'd be happy with shonn greene. kurt warner will teach him to catch. he seems [like a poster earlier said] like a jerome bettis typeof back and that would be great!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

he seems [like a poster earlier said] like a jerome bettis typeof back and that would be great!

the only problem is that Jerome Bettis is a very rare exception. Most guys his size have no shot a being productive backs. If you're trying to draft the next Jerome Bettis, be prepared to go through about 300 Ron Dayne's before even sniffing someone of Bettis's unique abilities. To me,a better comparison for Greene is Lendale White,a guy who can be effective but you better have a very good run blocking OL.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I just don't think Greene fits our offense unless his lack of receptions in college was more a matter of the offense he played in versus his ability--I don't know for sure because I'd rather watch paint dry than the Iowa Hawkeyes....11 receptions total in his college career?

-1

How many times did Warner throw to Edge these past couple seasons?

This isn't anything to worry about.

 

[Zeno]

-1

How many times did Warner throw to Edge these past couple seasons?

This isn't anything to worry about.

Not sure how many times he was thrown to but he made 36 receptions the past 2 seasons plus another 7 in the playoffs. Thats 4 times the amount Greene had in his college career(3 seasons). A RB has to be able to catch, again if it was a matter of the Iowa offense and not his ability OK but thats a red flag to me...as is his production being a 1 year deal. I do like the fact he didn't fumble in college though.

 

[binkar]

Iowa didn't throw the ball to any of their backs much. It wasn't a function of Greene not being able to catch as Iowa not using those type passes.

I've heard more concerns about LeSean McCoy lately than any other back in the draft.

Greene and McCoy performed differently on several tests that show leg strength and explosion. Greene performed very well in the vertical with an outstanding jump of 37". He also did well in the broad jump with a jump of 10'1".

I wasn't able to find McCoys exact results from his pro day but it was said the results in those two events were lackluster.

Those two events show explosion and there is concern that McCoy doesn't have the leg strength to succeed in the NFL.

Greenes results are outstanding for a back his size and could be a sign that he possesses the strength and explosion necessary to make it in the league.

Yes, McCoy has taken more of a hit to his draft stock than any other back and thats why he is being talked about in round 2 as apposed to round 1 like originally. I am fully aware of the different numbers the 2 posted at the combine and at their pro days, however I don't read as much into it as some do.

Was it ever a question that Greene could push the pile more so than McCoy could? Not really because Greene is a "power back" and thats what power backs do. McCoy on the other had is more of a speed back. I know his 40 time was a bit disappointing, but watching the 2 of them play there is no comparison in their lateral quickness. I simply feel like McCoy has the ability to do more with less and is a more well rounded back who would bring a dynamic to our ground game that Hightower doesn't bring. I just don't think Greene does that for us and I don't know if Greene would the best back to run behind our O line. I very well may be wrong, but thats just my opinion.

 

[Goldfield]

I think you need a RB to be a RB first an not be overly concerned about the amount of receptions he had.

Greene is a power back but watch his tape he is not stiff or slow at all. He makes many guys miss and then is very hard to bring down.

Green doesn't fumble, and he rushed for over 100 yards a game every game this year.

With our passing game, a pounding rushing attack would be huge. Warner gets hit less, the D stays off the field.

 

[joeshmo]

I think you need a RB to be a RB first an not be overly concerned about the amount of receptions he had.

Greene is a power back but watch his tape he is not stiff or slow at all. He makes many guys miss and then is very hard to bring down.

Green doesn't fumble, and he rushed for over 100 yards a game every game this year.

With our passing game, a pounding rushing attack would be huge. Warner gets hit less, the D stays off the field.

Just to expand on that idea. I dont care if a RB is fast, a pounder, jack of all trades, what ever. Can he get me 4-5 yards a carry consistently and pass block. Thats all we need in this passing attack. We dont need a compliment to Hightower, we need a guy that can get yards consistently anyway he can.