Kliff supporters.

[dreamcastrocks]

what is it that makes you think he’s the guy to take the Cards to the next level?

To me, the next level was just being respectable. We were the laughing stock in the NFL and we aren't anymore. We are enjoyable to watch again. I don't question why I am still a fan of this team like I was two years ago...

I want us to win, and if we don't win, I want to be entertained. Kliff so far has checked those boxes for me. If he can't do better with a full offseason to work with, then let's talk.

 

[Cheesebeef]

To me, the next level was just being respectable. We were the laughing stock in the NFL and we aren't anymore. We are enjoyable to watch again. I don't question why I am still a fan of this team like I was two years ago...

I want us to win, and if we don't win, I want to be entertained. Kliff so far has checked those boxes for me. If he can't do better with a full offseason to work with, then let's talk.

you’ve been entertained the second half of the season when we’ve gone 2-4 with only wins against the sisters of the poor in the NFC Least?

unfortunately, I think our management shares your low standards.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

you’ve been entertained the second half of the season when we’ve gone 2-4 with only wins against the sisters of the poor in the NFC Least?

unfortunately, I think our management shares your low standards.

Yep. We were competitive in 4 of the 6 games.

 

[TJ]

The amount of times he’s looked overmatched in a game is concerning. In addition, he can’t coach like he’s playing Madden. Going for 4th down deep in your own territory and crapping out is one of the biggest momentum-changers in sports. Call better plays for the first three downs.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yep. We were competitive in 4 of the 6 games.

we watch sports different. The idea that you’re happy with not WINNING 4 of 6, but merely just being competitive, while LOSING 4 of 6 is pathetic to me. That level of acceptance for failure is the same kind of thinking that allows this team to keep a GM who hasn’t made the playoffs in 5 years.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

we watch sports different. The idea that you’re happy with not WINNING 4 of 6, but merely just being competitive, while LOSING 4 of 6 is pathetic to me. That level of acceptance for failure is the same kind of thinking that allows this team to keep a GM who hasn’t made the playoffs in 5 years.

Clearly.

I want the GM gone too and have for about 4 years, so we agree on something...

 

[Solar7]

Yep. We were competitive in 4 of the 6 games.

Man, the "competitive" talk starts coming out again... I sure didn't miss this.

Plenty of people in this thread have echoed my feelings about Kliff from the beginning. All of the goodwill from the hot start has failed.

Those who support KK seem like they have battered wife syndrome from the one year of Wilks. It sure wasn't a fun year, but at least we never really looked like we had a chance. Kingsbury is finding us in winnable situations and then dragging us out of them. It's tough to sit here and hear "he's finally going to do right by us, just wait" at every turn. Stripes don't change. He's a mediocre head coach.

The worst part of it all is that he doesn't have a mean/disciplinarian bone in his body. I'd love working for Kliff. He'd never get mad at me, we'd have drinks after work, and bro out. The results would come out as "good enough," and people would like us enough to not make any changes.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Man, the "competitive" talk starts coming out again... I sure didn't miss this.

Plenty of people in this thread have echoed my feelings about Kliff from the beginning. All of the good will from the hot start has failed.

Those who support KK seem like they have battered wife syndrome from the one year of Wilks. It sure wasn't a fun year, but at least we never really looked like we had a chance. Kingsbury is finding us in winnable situations and then dragging us out of them. It's tough to sit here and hear "he's finally going to do right by us, just wait" at every turn. Stripes don't change. He's a mediocre head coach.

The worst part of it all is that he doesn't have a mean/disciplinarian bone in his body. I'd love working for Kliff. He'd never get mad at me, we'd have drinks after work, and bro out. The results would come out as "good enough," and people would like us enough to not make any changes.

If you have been a fan for this team since they have been in AZ and you DON'T have it, that's impressive. You've had a rough day though, between the Cards and Newcastle...

 

[Krusher kardinals]

I'm not a Kliff supporter but a Cardinals supporter. He took over a 3 win team and took it to a 5.5 win team his first year and then an 8 win team his second year (Rams have our number). I have seen a 2.5 game improvement each of his first 2 years. No one fires a coach in that position. That being said, today was the most uninspiring game I have seen since the Wilks era. If this continues, I will rethink it.

He has done a bad job
He inherited the first pick in the draft
You better improve with that and then the team acquired a lot of talent...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Good post but coaches are graded on the full year. Yes, year 3 is crucial for Kliff.

I’ve heard that many coaches and gms grade based on 4 game stretches. That’s a failing grade for kliff likely in his last two quarters.

 

[Solar7]

If you have been a fan for this team since they have been in AZ and you DON'T have it, that's impressive. You've had a rough day though, between the Cards and Newcastle...

I'm imagining you're thinking about BritCard? Newcastle's loss means nothing to me, but I do enjoy the beer.

I have battered Cardinals syndrome, as we all should, but Wilks wasn't the reason for me. That sure was a bad staff, but we were 3 missed field goals away from being the same 7 win team the Cards are now. Heck, one more field goal, and we could argue it would be 8-8.

Our team has improved, but only marginally. With Arians, it felt like we were prepared weekly. Now, it seems nothing like it. I watch enough football outside of the Cardinals to see what well coached teams look like, even when the talent isn't there.

 

[daves]

We beat other teams with winning records, be fair.

Uh, what fantasy land do you live in?

Strange post for you to call out as "fantasy", when it is factually true (Seahawks, Bills).

6-2 start the season, 2-5 (thus far) to end it. That’s some pretty obvious regression.

Also, the Cardinals were never 6-2 this season. They were 5-2, then 6-3.

Just keepin' it real!

...dbs

 

[Cheesebeef]

Strange post for you to call out as "fantasy", when it is factually true (Seahawks, Bills).



Also, the Cardinals were never 6-2 this season. They were 5-2, then 6-3.

Just keepin' it real!

...dbs

and we’re 2-4 since then, on our way to 2-5 to end the season with a resounding THUD.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

I think we had the no3 offense in the league so it's not bad. There are questionable decisions he is still learning. Its seems like Murry doesn't read the field well yet. I also think we need more wr help

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We need 3 new WR's. Hopkins is all we have. 2 more if you count Arnold.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Strange post for you to call out as "fantasy", when it is factually true (Seahawks, Bills).



Also, the Cardinals were never 6-2 this season. They were 5-2, then 6-3.

Just keepin' it real!

...dbs

We had already mentioned the bills and Seahawks. What “other” winning teams did we beat? None. Just keeping’ it real!

either way our back 8 will most likely be the opposite of our front 8. That’s regression.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

I'm imagining you're thinking about BritCard? Newcastle's loss means nothing to me, but I do enjoy the beer.

I have battered Cardinals syndrome, as we all should, but Wilks wasn't the reason for me. That sure was a bad staff, but we were 3 missed field goals away from being the same 7 win team the Cards are now. Heck, one more field goal, and we could argue it would be 8-8.

Our team has improved, but only marginally. With Arians, it felt like we were prepared weekly. Now, it seems nothing like it. I watch enough football outside of the Cardinals to see what well coached teams look like, even when the talent isn't there.

The record says we've improved however the play on the field screams "inconsistency". It's like we're just spinning our wheels, win one, lose one, win two, lose two. I've been thinking it for weeks now, we need better WR's. Hopkins & Arnold & that's all we have. Kirk is a disappointment to me. He's now dropped 2 TD passes in the last 5 weeks.

 

[daves]

We had already mentioned the bills and Seahawks. What “other” winning teams did we beat? None. Just keeping’ it real!

Aha, i see now that AZ Native's post was replying to someone else who had mentioned those teams. I thought AZ Native was simply stating that "we", a winning team, had beat other winning teams. So... nevermind!

either way our back 8 will most likely be the opposite of our front 8. That’s regression.

Yep.

...dbs

 

[BritCard]

I'm not a Kliff supporter but a Cardinals supporter. He took over a 3 win team and took it to a 5.5 win team his first year and then an 8 win team his second year (Rams have our number). I have seen a 2.5 game improvement each of his first 2 years. No one fires a coach in that position. That being said, today was the most uninspiring game I have seen since the Wilks era. If this continues, I will rethink it.

And that's Kliff?

In his first season he was girted Kyler Murray who alone should have been worth 2 more wins. Kugler made the O line better. Sherfield and Tolliver were WR3 and WR4 the year before. He was given 3 rookies plus Cooper and Byrd. He got an upgrade at RB. If anything you could say Kliff held us back in year 1 by not using Kyler's legs.

What did Kliff do to make us better that wasn't done by adding several upgrades on offense?

This year he was gifted Deandre Freakin Hopkins. He had a year 2 freak of nature QB. Several upgrades on defense. 2.5 more wins is the absolute least you should expect.

The upgrades he was given got the extra wins, not Kliff. Hell, give the same upgrades to Wilkes and Leftwich and I'd expect similar results.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

My biggest problem with KK is his situational decision making and that he doesn't seem to have a plan. Sure, it's nice to go for it on 4th down and everybody is happy when you make it, but you have to no the situation and consequences if you don't make it. Going for it yesterday pretty much ended the game. OTOH, the previous drive, I believe, Shanahan had the lead and less yardage to go in his own territory and punted. Again, the right call.

I remember a few games ago KK going for the TD on the last play of the first half eschewing the FG and a free 3 points.

Yesterday getting the turnover with 8 seconds left, I can see one pass attempt to get a FG, which they tried and failed to complete. But why in the world wouldn't you throw a hail mary into the end zone on the last play? You just won a game a few weeks ago on that play. Granted, it likely won't work but a flat pass to Kirk is definitely not going to work with 4 seconds left.

These are just examples us fans can see. A HC should be prepared for everything. We could back game thru game and find very questionable decisions. There's definitely a pattern and it says he makes bad decisions under pressure.

Kliff is a great coach when things are running smoothly and everything is working, name a coach that isn't. But when things become a struggle, he rarely seems to have answers or a counter.

 

[Stout]

If you have been a fan for this team since they have been in AZ and you DON'T have it, that's impressive. You've had a rough day though, between the Cards and Newcastle...

That would be me. And yes, watching an ish game after an ish game--actually, watching both for about 1/2 an hour--totally sucked.

 

[Arealist]

KK’s postgame comments, “I didn’t call as good of plays that I could of” His poor grammar, not mine.

rinse and repeat.

Not intelligent enough to figure out how to mix it up in post game comments. How could he ever figure out to be a leader. Not looking forward to a year of him proving he does not belong next year at the expense of us fans that know we have the talent to be a playoff team.

Like so many have said
“Failed in college so how did anyone think he would be successful in the NFL?”

 

[kerouac9]

My biggest problem with KK is his situational decision making and that he doesn't seem to have a plan. Sure, it's nice to go for it on 4th down and everybody is happy when you make it, but you have to no the situation and consequences if you don't make it. Going for it yesterday pretty much ended the game. OTOH, the previous drive, I believe, Shanahan had the lead and less yardage to go in his own territory and punted. Again, the right call.

I remember a few games ago KK going for the TD on the last play of the first half eschewing the FG and a free 3 points.

Yesterday getting the turnover with 8 seconds left, I can see one pass attempt to get a FG, which they tried and failed to complete. But why in the world wouldn't you throw a hail mary into the end zone on the last play? You just won a game a few weeks ago on that play. Granted, it likely won't work but a flat pass to Kirk is definitely not going to work with 4 seconds left.

These are just examples us fans can see. A HC should be prepared for everything. We could back game thru game and find very questionable decisions. There's definitely a pattern and it says he makes bad decisions under pressure.

Kliff is a great coach when things are running smoothly and everything is working, name a coach that isn't. But when things become a struggle, he rarely seems to have answers or a counter.

Kliff can’t make Kyler throw the ball down the field.

 

[swagron]

Kliff can’t make Kyler throw the ball down the field.

KK designed that KM interception perfectly.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Kliff can’t make Kyler throw the ball down the field.

Agreed and why i stated in another thread, that between KK and K1 neither of them are good at situational awareness. One of them need to take a leap forward in this area.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I don’t know if he could be an OC even. His aggression seems to dissipate when the pressure is on. That’s the time to put your foot on their throat

This right here.

I don't see it.