Kolb hurt with rib contusion

[Cardinals.Ken]

Massie and Snyder sucked so hard, time and time again. They got worked time and again. So disheartening! Kolb, who they put all their money in, looked like a rook and even worse than most rooks.

Massie has, by all accounts, been working hard to acclimate to the NFL. However, he's just too weak (in terms of NFL linemen) at the moment. I guess there was a reason why he was still available in the 4th round. He's a project that's at least a year off from being a productive NFL tackle.

I honestly think Kolb is done. I don't think you can have a performance like that in preseason and lead this team. They're professionals. They're men. You can't lead men after a performance like that.

Agreed.

The only way, in my opinion, that Kolb can win this team over is if he takes the hits, sticks in there, and wins some ballgames. I don't see that happening. Give the Cards some credit for trying, but they failed in finding a suitable QB of the future.

 

[Duckjake]

If I'm not mistaken, you've been saying Whiz can't evaluate QB's for years (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm starting to agree. They're really good IMO at evaluating LB's, CB'S, RB's (to some extent), but they suck so bad evaluating QB's and Oline. Kolb sucked tonight and the Oline just horribly sucked. Massie and Snyder sucked so hard, time and time again. They got worked time and again. So disheartening! Kolb, who they put all their money in, looked like a rook and even worse than most rooks.

I honestly think Kolb is done. I don't think you can have a performance like that in preseason and lead this team. They're professionals. They're men. You can't lead men after a performance like that.

You're not wrong. It started when he and the Cards brass decided to pay Brian St.Pierre a million dollars thinking he was better than Matt Leinart and it hasn't changed any. Max Hall!!?!??!?! How insane was that decision?

I think that CKW's 3,5,72 foot drop and throw offense doesn't work and it ruins QBs accuracy because they are thinking about the drop instead of throwing the football. Anyone who has ever played golf will know what I am talking about. If you are thinking about the mechanics of your swing on the golf course you won't break a 100.

That is why I think Double Deuce is the best QB for Arizona. He seems like he just plays.

 

[THESMEL]

Kolb wants too much time every down, Yea the scheme is flawed in that it is made to kill QB's and Right Tackles, 4 and 5 WR sets plus a TE! leaves more pass rushers than blockers! Whiz doesn't consider max protects - even with Fitz - which is made for it! You can trust fitz!

I don't even know if we have a true max protect package, our 2 TE package is a run formation that we try to trick a play action from. We have a spread offense that invites pass rushers to blitz so we can burn it, as Kurt did and few can.

All the runs start so deep that they can't take advantage of the aggressive pass rushers, The extra time they want the deep back to have for vision allows linebackers the same advantage. I have not seen a quick tempo run since Edge and Leinart. Something that would burst paass aggressive DL and LB's.

 

[Duckjake]

All the runs start so deep that they can't take advantage of the aggressive pass rushers, The extra time they want the deep back to have for vision allows linebackers the same advantage. I have not seen a quick tempo run since Edge and Leinart. Something that would burst paass aggressive DL and LB's.
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Amen brother.

 

[Unsterblich856]

I'll say it again......trade for Jake Locker.

What? He wasn't drafted eight overall last year to be groomed and used as trade bait. They drafted him high, brought in Matt Hasselbeck to mentor him while he sat as a rookie, and he's expected to win the job this year. There is not a snowball's chance in hell they'd even entertain offers for him.

 

[Darkside]

Kolb wants too much time every down, Yea the scheme is flawed in that it is made to kill QB's and Right Tackles, 4 and 5 WR sets plus a TE! leaves more pass rushers than blockers! Whiz doesn't consider max protects - even with Fitz - which is made for it! You can trust fitz!

I don't even know if we have a true max protect package, our 2 TE package is a run formation that we try to trick a play action from. We have a spread offense that invites pass rushers to blitz so we can burn it, as Kurt did and few can.

All the runs start so deep that they can't take advantage of the aggressive pass rushers, The extra time they want the deep back to have for vision allows linebackers the same advantage. I have not seen a quick tempo run since Edge and Leinart. Something that would burst paass aggressive DL and LB's.

These are all very astute points. Nice.

 

[Azlen]

Is there any truth to the rumor that there was a negative bounty on Kolb?
Whichever Saint knocked him out of the game had to put money into the pool.

 

[az1965]

I can't shake the feeling- Can't trust Whiz with the QB decision, He looked like he was disappointed that John Skelton was doing well. probably reading to much into it- buy it felt just like when Leinart did well against Whiz's willl? I'l have to go back and look at the expressions again on the recording.

When I read that Whisenhunt down played Skelton's performance saying the line settled down... I was like WTF? The exact same thing happenned last year. The oline suddenly "settled down" when Skelton was in the game and was struggling when Kolb was in.

Just admit you made a gigantic mistake twice, coach... trading for Kolb by paying extremely high price and then paying seven million again early this season for someone who has done absolutely nothing in the league.

 

[az1965]

Is there any truth to the rumor that there was a negative bounty on Kolb?
Whichever Saint knocked him out of the game had to put money into the pool.

LOL!!

 

[cardpa]

Kolb is more accurate than Skelton though. Had a better completion percentage (and yes, those few points are huge over a whole season, since it's an average); had a better QB rating. I wanted Kolb, that's no secret, but I think even Kolb realists would acknowledge that his level of suck tonight is more than you ever imagined. It was epic suck.

I acknowledge that Skelton played way better than Kolb tonight. Levels and levels better. It's what I've been looking for in training camp. I kept saying I wanted someone to separate themselves and ya'll said I was crazy after a few training camps. Tonight Skelton did that.

I just want the best dude to win, and I think tonight we saw who that QB is going to be.

That being said, regarding accuracy. Kolb's pass to Roberts, which he totally should have been aware of, back shoulder throw on the sidelines. Skelton can never make that throw. He can't throw guys open. I want the best guy to win, and that looks like Skelton, but Skelton can't make those throws.

Kolb sucks yes, I was wrong about all that from the beginning. He looked tentative and apprehensive and his body language sucked the whole game. In a preseason game!! You can't have a QB looking like that in preseason, ever! Skelton looked like he wanted to take over this offense and lead it, and Kolb looked like he didn't even want to take the field. Period.

I too wanted Kolb to succeed however after watching his inept performance I can no longer support him. I still don't think Skelton is the long term answer but he is the better choice based on what we have available at QB.

 

[cardpa]

I pulled this from a previous post and I still think it rings true.

I think Whisenhunt is a terrific coach with a major blind spot: He thinks the QB position is just like any other, and competition will somehow produce a gem of a starter just because it worked with Warner.

 

[red desert]

I know. My son was there at the same time. They ran a similar offense to what Tech does. Kolb was a system QB. Just like the Tech guys. Thus the reference.

Gotcha.

 

[Buckybird]

I think the problem is the staff's choice in QBs. Its not like we are taking guys who other teams are salivating over. We're putting bad QBs into a complicated offense... and they typically look like garbage.

Absofreakinglutely!!! It's not the system its the person throwing the rock.

 

[az jam]

I was at the evening practice last Wednesday in Flagstaff. Kolb ran around like a chicken without a head. It was the same yesterday in the Saints game. Don't blame the offensive line, its Kolb who has really regressed. He is playing sacred. I think the concussions took a lot out of him.

Skelton has more presence. He needs to improve his accuracy. I think Skelton will be the starter with Kolb being the backup and Lindley the #3 QB. Kolb will most likely be dropped in the off season.

 

[TJ]

Whis expects Kolb to play on Friday.

Kolb needs to ball out for two consecutive games to get back into this race. And he needs to stay healthy.

Otherwise, he'll be perfecting his clipboard holding skills starting next week.




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[Russ Smith]

Whis expects Kolb to play on Friday.

Kolb needs to ball out for two consecutive games to get back into this race. And he needs to stay healthy.

Otherwise, he'll be perfecting his clipboard holding skills starting next week.




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I actually expected him to miss at least one if not two games. It's good he still wants to play but I really wonder. If he's healthy enough to play on Friday I'd be surprised unless that was more of a really knocked the wind out of him and now he's ok things.

 

[TJ]

I actually expected him to miss at least one if not two games. It's good he still wants to play but I really wonder. If he's healthy enough to play on Friday I'd be surprised unless that was more of a really knocked the wind out of him and now he's ok things.

Unless Whiz is really downplaying the severity of the injury, I think it's a go for Friday. My feeling is if Kolb truly wants to get back into this race, he will play. Otherwise, his teammates and coaches will start questioning his toughness (as if they haven't already).

Last night was the absolute worst-case scenario for him. He poops his pants, then gets injured. Basically highlighting all of his perceived weaknesses. Subsequently, Skelton comes in and produces a long scoring drive against the Saints #1s.

I still think Kolb is the better QB, but availability > ability at this point.


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[oaken1]

Even though everyone hates to see their QB put himself at risk....I loved seeing Kolb run out to block on the cutback....it showed he may have some guts, some competetive fire..some will to win....all things a man must have to be a team leader in the NFL.

a bruise...dude left the game over a bruise....we have all seen Marino and Favre, many others...play with broken ribs over the years...not bruised...broken....we all saw McNabb run for three TD's against us with a broken ankle.....Warner played with a mauled arm.... but Kolb leaves the game......over a bruise.

unless he has something in there that is a front row candidate for the hematoma hall of fame....that is just not acceptable.

The line "settled down" for Skelton because he remains calm...and the line KNOWS where he is going to be...in the pocket they create.

never underestimate the power of toughness and demeanor,...it is what Skelton brings to the field that Kolb does not....and why the team plays harder for him than they do for Kolb.

 

[TJ]

Even though everyone hates to see their QB put himself at risk....I loved seeing Kolb run out to block on the cutback....it showed he may have some guts, some competetive fire..some will to win....all things a man must have to be a team leader in the NFL.

a bruise...dude left the game over a bruise....we have all seen Marino and Favre, many others...play with broken ribs over the years...not bruised...broken....we all saw McNabb run for three TD's against us with a broken ankle.....Warner played with a mauled arm.... but Kolb leaves the game......over a bruise.

In Kolb's defense, it was the HOF game. No reason to even attempt to play through any injuries during a game that's even more meaningless than the actual preseason games. Same goes for Lenon, who hurt his ankle on the scoring drive. No reason for him to have stayed in the game, either.

 

[Russ Smith]

Even though everyone hates to see their QB put himself at risk....I loved seeing Kolb run out to block on the cutback....it showed he may have some guts, some competetive fire..some will to win....all things a man must have to be a team leader in the NFL.

a bruise...dude left the game over a bruise....we have all seen Marino and Favre, many others...play with broken ribs over the years...not bruised...broken....we all saw McNabb run for three TD's against us with a broken ankle.....Warner played with a mauled arm.... but Kolb leaves the game......over a bruise.

unless he has something in there that is a front row candidate for the hematoma hall of fame....that is just not acceptable.

The line "settled down" for Skelton because he remains calm...and the line KNOWS where he is going to be...in the pocket they create.

never underestimate the power of toughness and demeanor,...it is what Skelton brings to the field that Kolb does not....and why the team plays harder for him than they do for Kolb.

I've never seen any of those guys come back in with a rib injury in a meaningless preseason game though.

 

[CardLogic]

Go with Skelton and develop Lindley or Bartel. Kolb is a black hole.

Kolb refuses to stay in the pocket, can't hit when he needs to, and he breaks easy.

Kolb is a wish that never has and will not ever become a fact with the Cardinals. At least not behind our present offensive line. A line I will not believe in until at the very least Levi Brown is gone. Brown is another black hole. The sad fact is that everyone in the league knows it too.

Go figure.

Fred

Chieftain, good to see you in here!

 

[CardLogic]

Kolb wants too much time every down, Yea the scheme is flawed in that it is made to kill QB's and Right Tackles, 4 and 5 WR sets plus a TE! leaves more pass rushers than blockers! Whiz doesn't consider max protects - even with Fitz - which is made for it! You can trust fitz!

I don't even know if we have a true max protect package, our 2 TE package is a run formation that we try to trick a play action from. We have a spread offense that invites pass rushers to blitz so we can burn it, as Kurt did and few can.

All the runs start so deep that they can't take advantage of the aggressive pass rushers, The extra time they want the deep back to have for vision allows linebackers the same advantage. I have not seen a quick tempo run since Edge and Leinart. Something that would burst paass aggressive DL and LB's.

These are all very astute points. Nice.

Possibly, the best post THESMEL has made since signing on here. Even somewhat readable!

 

[ryanshaug]

I've never seen any of those guys come back in with a rib injury in a meaningless preseason game though.

True but they also weren't in a QB battle for the starting position either in a preseason game.

 

[CardLogic]

Is there any truth to the rumor that there was a negative bounty on Kolb?
Whichever Saint knocked him out of the game had to put money into the pool.

Well played!

 

[oaken1]

I've never seen any of those guys come back in with a rib injury in a meaningless preseason game though.

Perhaps not....but they were not fighting to keep their job either.