Kolb not worrying about concussions.

[Duckjake]

McNabb was entrenched as the starter. It's pretty hard to bench him no matter what the other guy did. Not just Kolb, it could have been any guy that came in and played well and they would have went back to McNabb. At that point in his career, it would kind of be like if Manning got hurt to start the season and Painter lit it up and not going back to Manning. Plus, to a lesser extent Reid was still loyal to, and confident in McNabb.

Painter was never going to be the starter in Indy so that example doesn't apply.

I also find it hard to believe that McNabb was that entrenched and Reid was so loyal to and confident in McNabb that he benched Kolb in those circumstances when he immediately traded Donavan to a Division rival the next season. And we're not talking about any guy. We're talking about a QB that many of you are claiming the Eagles saw as their QBOF. A guy worth $10 million a year.

Coaches aren't rocket scientists but they aren't stupid either which is why we never saw Leinart as the starter again after Warner took over after Matt got hurt in 2007. They had to have some real reservations about Kolb for that to happen.

 

[Phrazbit]

Painter was never going to be the starter in Indy so that example doesn't apply.

I also find it hard to believe that McNabb was that entrenched and Reid was so loyal to and confident in McNabb that he benched Kolb in those circumstances when he immediately traded Donavan to a Division rival the next season. And we're not talking about any guy. We're talking about a QB that many of you are claiming the Eagles saw as their QBOF. A guy worth $10 million a year.

Coaches aren't rocket scientists but they aren't stupid either which is why we never say Leinart as the starter again after Warner took over after Matt got hurt in 2007. They had to have some real reservations about Kolb for that to happen.

I hope you dont let CBus read this. He is under the impression you were agreeing with him.

 

[Duckjake]

I hope you dont let CBus read this. He is under the impression you were agreeing with him.

Well I'm not in the debate over the contract and what it meant. I want to find out what went on that Kolb got benched for McNabb when he was supposed to be Philly's QBOF and McNabb was on his way out even though Kolb had had an outstanding performance vs KC. Kolb gets benched when McNabb comes back. Kolb doesn't get his job back when he comes back. Kolb gets benched when Vick comes back. Something doesn't add up.

I keep hoping someone familiar with the Eagles during that period will see my posts and enlighten me. Someone who doesn't have a dog in the Kolb-Skelton hunt.

One thing that's fun about ASFN. Posters love to pimp for their guy not by pointing out the good things he's done but by bashing the other guy. See the Wells-Hightower debate as an example.

We're like political campaign strategists.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Painter was never going to be the starter in Indy so that example doesn't apply.

I also find it hard to believe that McNabb was that entrenched and Reid was so loyal to and confident in McNabb that he benched Kolb in those circumstances when he immediately traded Donavan to a Division rival the next season. And we're not talking about any guy. We're talking about a QB that many of you are claiming the Eagles saw as their QBOF. A guy worth $10 million a year.

Coaches aren't rocket scientists but they aren't stupid either which is why we never saw Leinart as the starter again after Warner took over after Matt got hurt in 2007. They had to have some real reservations about Kolb for that to happen.

McNabb was pretty entrenched and I don't think the plan was to trade McNabb but the dynamic changed. After making it to the NFC Champioship in 2008, they went 11-5 in 2009 and won the NFC East but lost in the wildcard round to Dallas(for the 2nd consecutive week which didn't help matters either). After that loss coupled with previous failed playoff runs and the promise Kolb showed in his relief appearances, they decided to move in a new direction. That's when they traded McNabb and gave the extension and starting job to Kolb.

 

[Phrazbit]

Well I'm not in the debate over the contract and what it meant. I want to find out what went on that Kolb got benched for McNabb when he was supposed to be Philly's QBOF and McNabb was on his way out even though Kolb had had an outstanding performance vs KC. Kolb gets benched when McNabb comes back. Kolb doesn't get his job back when he comes back. Kolb gets benched when Vick comes back. Something doesn't add up.

I keep hoping someone familiar with the Eagles during that period will see my posts and enlighten me. Someone who doesn't have a dog in the Kolb-Skelton hunt.

One thing that's fun about ASFN. Posters love to pimp for their guy not by pointing out the good things he's done but by bashing the other guy. See the Wells-Hightower debate as an example.

We're like political campaign strategists.

Exactly, there were signs all over the place that the Eagles were not sold on Kolb. The way they handled the position in 2009 and 2010, the contract, how blatantly they shopped him...

Cbus has chosen to focus on my argument and that part of the reason the Eagles signed him was to give them the option to trade him and make it appear as though not only is that totally insane but "WHY NOT GIVE HIM A BAJILLION TO MAKE HIM WORTH MORE?!?!"

I love a good debate and I am a big fan of these boards. But if people want to debate and then get so angry when some of their points are invalidated then I dont have much sympathy. A spade is a spade, a one year deal is not a sign of confidence in a player's long term potential.

I think that Kolb and Skelton are not far apart in terms of talent (as in neither are good), but between his injuries and his looming 14.5 million dollar cap figure in 2013 I would lay extremely heavy odds that Kolb will not be here a year from now. I'd rather see what Skelton has to work with now than have to go through all this again with Skelton and QB-X in 2013.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Exactly, there were signs all over the place that the Eagles were not sold on Kolb. The way they handled the position in 2009 and 2010, the contract, how blatantly they shopped him...

Cbus has chosen to focus on my argument and that part of the reason the Eagles signed him was to give them the option to trade him and make it appear as though not only is that totally insane but "WHY NOT GIVE HIM A BAJILLION TO MAKE HIM WORTH MORE?!?!"

I love a good debate and I am a big fan of these boards. But if people want to debate and then get so angry when some of their points are invalidated then I dont have much sympathy. A spade is a spade, a one year deal is not a sign of confidence in a player's long term potential.

I think that Kolb and Skelton are not far apart in terms of talent (as in neither are good), but between his injuries and his looming 14.5 million dollar cap figure in 2013 I would lay extremely heavy odds that Kolb will not be here a year from now. I'd rather see what Skelton has to work with now than have to go through all this again with Skelton and QB-X in 2013.

So say you, in all modesty.

 

[chickenhead]

I don't have a dog in the Kolb-Skelton fight. I want whoever wins the job to succeed. Part of me hopes it's Kolb because I'd like to see him justify the expense of getting him (plus it would restore faith in the team's ability to evaluate QBs). Part of me hopes it's Skelton because I like the story and what he's made of his opportunity so far.

But if three years from now it's Lindley throwing TDs to Floyd, then I'll cheer for that.

In any case, what I think the Eagles thought at a certain point is that of the QBs on their roster, Kolb was the future. If Vick hadn't had his 2010 season, Kolb likely would still be in Philadelphia with another extension, with a drafted QB under him. Exactly the situation most teams are in much of the time.

I'm not saying the Eagles were positive he was their Andy Dalton, and I'm not saying he's our Matt Schaub yet. I'm just saying I don't think the Eagles thought he was crap and swindled the Cardinals.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I don't have a dog in the Kolb-Skelton fight. I want whoever wins the job to succeed. Part of me hopes it's Kolb because I'd like to see him justify the expense of getting him (plus it would restore faith in the team's ability to evaluate QBs). Part of me hopes it's Skelton because I like the story and what he's made of his opportunity so far.

But if three years from now it's Lindley throwing TDs to Floyd, then I'll cheer for that.

In any case, what I think the Eagles thought at a certain point is that of the QBs on their roster, Kolb was the future. If Vick hadn't had his 2010 season, Kolb likely would still be in Philadelphia with another extension, with a drafted QB under him. Exactly the situation most teams are in much of the time.

I'm not saying the Eagles were positive he was their Andy Dalton, and I'm not saying he's our Matt Schaub yet. I'm just saying I don't think the Eagles thought he was crap and swindled the Cardinals.

Even though I have a "dog in the fight".

I am 100% with this post. Good one!

 

[Duckjake]

McNabb was pretty entrenched and I don't think the plan was to trade McNabb but the dynamic changed. After making it to the NFC Champioship in 2008, they went 11-5 in 2009 and won the NFC East but lost in the wildcard round to Dallas(for the 2nd consecutive week which didn't help matters either). After that loss coupled with previous failed playoff runs and the promise Kolb showed in his relief appearances, they decided to move in a new direction. That's when they traded McNabb and gave the extension and starting job to Kolb.

That's a possibility. I remember making a post back in 2009 wondering how long it was going to be before we started complaining because we weren't winning enough......playoff games.

 

[JC_AZ]

SO...is the NFL using different helmets for everyone this year? Or just Kolb since he 'is not worried about concussions'? Just a thought...

 

[ajcardfan]

Well I'm not in the debate over the contract and what it meant. I want to find out what went on that Kolb got benched for McNabb when he was supposed to be Philly's QBOF and McNabb was on his way out even though Kolb had had an outstanding performance vs KC. Kolb gets benched when McNabb comes back. Kolb doesn't get his job back when he comes back. Kolb gets benched when Vick comes back. Something doesn't add up.

I keep hoping someone familiar with the Eagles during that period will see my posts and enlighten me. Someone who doesn't have a dog in the Kolb-Skelton hunt.

One thing that's fun about ASFN. Posters love to pimp for their guy not by pointing out the good things he's done but by bashing the other guy. See the Wells-Hightower debate as an example.

We're like political campaign strategists.

Well, Vick was absolutely sensational when Kolb was out that year. He was so good, Brady, Manning, Brees and Big Ben were probably just about the only QBs who could've taken the reins back without a lockerroom revolt.

Now if Vick had played like he did in 2011 during that time, he might very well have returned to the bench to the bench in 2010.


For all the scouting and planning teams do, its always a crap shoot at QB for 80% of the teams.

 

[ajcardfan]

SO...is the NFL using different helmets for everyone this year? Or just Kolb since he 'is not worried about concussions'? Just a thought...

No helmet can eliminate concussions and still allow them to play the game. The brain has a surprising amount of room to move in the skull and concussions happen when the brain slaps up against bone. I had the honor to dissect a cadaver, and it is an honor, God Bless those who donate their bodies to med schools and colleges. I could easily fit my index finger between the brain and skull and could move it from side to side and up against the bone. Now the CSF fluid was drained out which made it easier, but it was a lesson about concussions I'll never forget.

Helmets prevent skull fractures but the only way to stop concussions is to pad up the inside of the skull.

 

[Phrazbit]

I don't have a dog in the Kolb-Skelton fight. I want whoever wins the job to succeed. Part of me hopes it's Kolb because I'd like to see him justify the expense of getting him (plus it would restore faith in the team's ability to evaluate QBs). Part of me hopes it's Skelton because I like the story and what he's made of his opportunity so far.

But if three years from now it's Lindley throwing TDs to Floyd, then I'll cheer for that.

In any case, what I think the Eagles thought at a certain point is that of the QBs on their roster, Kolb was the future. If Vick hadn't had his 2010 season, Kolb likely would still be in Philadelphia with another extension, with a drafted QB under him. Exactly the situation most teams are in much of the time.

I'm not saying the Eagles were positive he was their Andy Dalton, and I'm not saying he's our Matt Schaub yet. I'm just saying I don't think the Eagles thought he was crap and swindled the Cardinals.

The bolded I'd actually agree with. They knew McNabb was on his last legs (or lards if you prefer) and they had no clue what to make of Vick, Kolb was their best option. But, as debated endlessly, did they think he was their future? Their actions state otherwise. And he played poorly enough in 2010 that with or without Vick I honestly believe they would have moved on by now, especially if Kolb's Eagle 2011 would have been as pathetic as his Cardinal 2011. The contract they had him under was not a "QB of the future" contract and would have allowed them to easily move on this summer and begin 2012 with a new QB.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

The bolded I'd actually agree with. They knew McNabb was on his last legs (or lards if you prefer) and they had no clue what to make of Vick, Kolb was their best option. But, as debated endlessly, did they think he was their future? Their actions state otherwise. And he played poorly enough in 2010 that with or without Vick I honestly believe they would have moved on by now, especially if Kolb's Eagle 2011 would have been as pathetic as his Cardinal 2011. The contract they had him under was not a "QB of the future" contract and would have allowed them to easily move on this summer and begin 2012 with a new QB.[/QUOTE]

... and the Cards can "easily" move on after a $20M two year investment, should need be, as the financial cost, plus the trade compensation.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Of course Kolb has no fear of concussions. He was so affected by them that he cannot even remember he had them

 

[Phrazbit]

... and the Cards can "easily" move on after a $20M two year investment, should need be, as the financial cost, plus the trade compensation.

Do you really think thats comparable to the minimal investment the Eagles had? We take a 6 million cap hit next year just to cut him. And odds are that the Cardinals will infact cut him.

I dont really consider 2 wasted seasons, 20+ million, a 6 mil cap hit just to get rid of him, a 2nd round pick and DRC to be something to just brush off and say "oh well". If it pans out the way its trending towards then there is no way Kolb was anything but a huge mistake.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Do you really think thats comparable to the minimal investment the Eagles had? We take a 6 million cap hit next year just to cut him. And odds are that the Cardinals will infact cut him.

I dont really consider 2 wasted seasons, 20+ million, a 6 mil cap hit just to get rid of him, a 2nd round pick and DRC to be something to just brush off and say "oh well". If it pans out the way its trending towards then there is no way Kolb was anything but a huge mistake.

If it proves a mistake, you can give us 10,000 posts as a reminder over the next decade.

 

[Phrazbit]

Things are slow today, I figured I'd toss in one more highly opinionated kick to the groin

Another damning sign of what Reid thought of Kolb: Kolb was slated to make 1.5 million in 2011 had he stayed an Eagle. Michael Vick has had one healthy season in his entire career and missed a large chunk of 2010. But Reid felt that shipping Kolb off and signing Vince Young for 4 million (nearly triple Kolb's slated salary) was the right move. A real ringing endorsement.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Kevin Kolb




(A test to see if Phrazbit can resist responding)

 

[Phrazbit]

Kevin Kolb




(A test to see if Phrazbit can resist responding)

Impossible, but you'd make my it easier to go all-out if you tossed in one of the ol Kolb excuse lines in your post.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Impossible, but you'd make my it easier to go all-out if you tossed in one of the ol Kolb excuse lines in your post.

Kevin Kolb... American.

 

[Phrazbit]

Kevin Kolb... American.

lol!

I'll do my best...

Kolb is from Texas, Kolb went to University of Houston, a school named after Sam Houston, president of the Republic of Texas, a foreign nation. Also, Kolb hunts pigs with knife. What self respecting American would use anything short or a rifle, preferably automatic?

For those reasons, and along with a lack of long throwing ability and that I have not seen his long-form birth certificate, I seriously question Kolb's citizenship.

 

[Darkside]

Welcome to Failsville, population Kolb.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

lol!

I'll do my best...

Kolb is from Texas, Kolb went to University of Houston, a school named after Sam Houston, president of the Republic of Texas, a foreign nation. Also, Kolb hunts pigs with knife. What self respecting American would use anything short or a rifle, preferably automatic?

For those reasons, and along with a lack of long throwing ability and that I have not seen his long-form birth certificate, I seriously question Kolb's citizenship.

Kevin Kolb is of German extraction.

 

[Cardiac]

I keep trying to figure out how any one poster could have such a hatred and ongoing obsession with any player. So after doing much research I did find my answer.

Kolb takes great pleasure in hunting wild hogs and the name Phrabitz is from the Old Saxon branch of the language tree.

It's the only possible explanation.


Wild boar (Sus scrofa) aka Phrabitz, also known as wild pig, is a species of the pig genus Sus, part of the biological family Suidae. The species includes many subspecies. It is the wild ancestor of the domestic pig, an animal with which it freely hybridises.[2] Wild boar are native across much of Northern and Central Europe, the Mediterranean Region (including North Africa's Atlas Mountains) and much of Asia as far south as Indonesia. Populations have also been artificially introduced in some parts of the world, most notably the Americas and Australasia, principally for hunting. Elsewhere, populations have also become established after escapes of wild boar from captivity.[3]