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Re: Great Mock

Originally posted by BuckeyeCardinal
Best mock I've seen Krang.

The only difference is that I would interject a sleeper at #7.....Bollinger is OK but not a great upgrade over Parsons or McCown.

I also like Pace over White at DE.

For the 6th spot I'd go for another sleeper....don't care for those Michiganders.

Not a big fan of Michigan either, but I would take Askew anyday. He is a "intangibles" type of guy that could help a football team in multiple capacities (blocking, running, receiving, and special teams).

I put Bollinger in there because I was reading what Gil Brandt said about him, and then I thought about him a little bit and I realized he is the type of late round pick that could pay dividends. He really could be a Gannon type, as he is very similar athletically.
 

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I'm not sold on Calico. Especially with our second rounder. He has below average hands and while his 40 time seems fast it takes him quite a while to reach full speed. Which means he will have trouble creating seperation from the quicker NFL DB's. The only thing he has going for him then is his size and that won't help if you can't hang onto the ball.

I think he would be a reach in the early 3rd round. However if he were still there in the fourth round when the Cards pick then he might be worth consideration.
 

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1.Dewayne Robertson DT-good choice if Suggs gone.
2.Tyrone Calico-WR ( Dave Ragone-Louisville)QB to compete with McCown and Parsons
3,Calvin Pace DE-OLB
4.Brett Romberg C ( CB best CB available)
5.Bobby Wade WR
6.BJ Askew FB (can get FB thru UDFA) OT depth needed
7.Brooks Bollinger QB (best player available should be drafted)






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No way would I take Ragone.

Big, sluggish and overrated...just my humble opinion.
 
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Originally posted by MadCardDisease
I'm not sold on Calico. Especially with our second rounder. He has below average hands and while his 40 time seems fast it takes him quite a while to reach full speed. Which means he will have trouble creating seperation from the quicker NFL DB's. The only thing he has going for him then is his size and that won't help if you can't hang onto the ball.

I think he would be a reach in the early 3rd round. However if he were still there in the fourth round when the Cards pick then he might be worth consideration.

All very coachable things.

I will be utterly shocked if he lasts until the 3rd.
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
No way would I take Ragone.

Big, sluggish and overrated...just my humble opinion.

I think Ragone will need a year or two of good coaching but he has the talent.He got hammered last season behind a very poor O-line.
 
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Originally posted by BW52
I think Ragone will need a year or two of good coaching but he has the talent.He got hammered last season behind a very poor O-line.

If that's the case, why even draft him?

A wasted pick. We already have a guy on our bench that will have to sit for at least another year, and he is about as big as Ragone and ten times as athletic.
 

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How is it a wasted pick to bring in a kid who can be better than McCown (Ragone did play Division 1 ball quite well,not run away from SMU to Sam Houston State).Sorry Krang i disagree buddy.
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
All very coachable things.

I will be utterly shocked if he lasts until the 3rd.

You can teach a guy how to run better routes, but I'm not sure you can teach a guy to be quicker or to have softer hands.
 
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Originally posted by BW52
How is it a wasted pick to bring in a kid who can be better than McCown (Ragone did play Division 1 ball quite well,not run away from SMU to Sam Houston State).Sorry Krang i disagree buddy.

I'd run away from SMU too, considering how bad of a program it is. He didn't exactly "run" away, he went to a school that ran an offense that fit his skills.

Ragone, imo, will be a huge bust (well not exactly since he isn't that highly regarded right now anyway). And I don't really think he can be better than McCown...that's really just an assumption. Going from the numbers, McCown (other than the fact that he needs work) could be a much better player.
 
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Originally posted by MadCardDisease
You can teach a guy how to run better routes, but I'm not sure you can teach a guy to be quicker or to have softer hands.

Yes you can. It all comes down to how a receiver starts off on his route. And "soft" hands are a function of concentration, a very teachable trait.

Jerry Sullivan taught Tony Martin, who hadn't even played receiver before, so I think he could do wonders with a guy that has.

I would just as likely draft Bryant Johnson if available however. At least he is much closer now.
 
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Originally posted by BW52
I guess we agree to disagree.No biggie .:thumbup:

Cool! :D

Hey, I know you are a Kentucky guy so you gotta look out for your Kentucky boys (much like I do for Carolina boys!):thumbup:
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Cool! :D

Hey, I know you are a Kentucky guy so you gotta look out for your Kentucky boys (much like I do for Carolina boys!):thumbup:


University of Louisville fan.Not a U of Kentucky fan (the Real evil empire)
 
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Originally posted by BW52
University of Louisville fan.Not a U of Kentucky fan (the Real evil empire)

As far as my allegiances:
(ASU above all since I'm a student at ASU)
UNC
Wakeforest
NC STATE
DUKE
ETC.

I always pull for the underdog since NC has so many major colleges, and I love them all. I might be a little bit more choosy if I had lived there longer....:D
 

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I heard all kind of crap today from UK fans today about UL losing this weekend.Arizona better knock off UK if they meet in Regional finals.:thumbup:
 
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Originally posted by BW52
I heard all kind of crap today from UK fans today about UL losing this weekend.Arizona better knock off UK if they meet in Regional finals.:thumbup:

See I look at it exactly the opposite.....UK better knock off UofA!:D
 
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ESPN on Ragone

Dave Ragone , Louisville
Ragone has rebounded well from a poor Senior Bowl week with a strong Combine showing and a solid workout this week, despite the rain in Louisville.

"He's probably been on the biggest rollercoaster ride of anybody," said a scout. "I mean, Boller's been on nothing but the rise. Ragone started high, slipped terribly and now he's grading up again."

Ragone, a left-hander like Simms, is big at just under 6-4. It's his weight at 249 pounds that draws skepticism.

"He's a heavy-legged guy and it really affects his mobility," said a scout. "He has a hard time getting away from the rush. I was disappointed with his 40 (4.94). I thought he'd run better and I thought he'd be quicker."

Most everyone agrees that Ragone's senior season was ragged, but they don't pin it all on him.

"His protection was terrible," said a personnel man. "He got beat up. I think he probably had to keep that weight on just to handle the beating. All in all, he was pretty productive in his career and I think he's a heck of a competitor."

Added another scout: "Really, from his junior to senior season, he lost a lot of O-linemen and people found out he lost a pretty good receiver in Deion Branch. Most quarterbacks struggle under those circumstances and he still made plenty of big plays."

Another sees him as a worthwhile project.

"He needs some work, especially with his feet," said a scout. "He throws a really good long ball. Like a lot of lefties, for some reason, he's good on the outside stuff, the go routes, the fades. But he's not as sharp, keen or aware of the crossing routes. So, he's got tools to work with, but he does need work."

That was echoed by a team that has dismissed Ragone: "His framing is off a lot of times, meaning the ball does down more often than you like. He's got a stiff upper body."

Another offensive coordinator said he would take his chance with Ragone.

"He's steady and he plays tall -- you don't see him get a lot of balls tipped," this coach said. "I see a strong arm. I see productivity. I see a tough guy and you better be a tough guy to play in this league.
Dave Ragone , Louisville
Ragone has rebounded well from a poor Senior Bowl week with a strong Combine showing and a solid workout this week, despite the rain in Louisville.

"He's probably been on the biggest rollercoaster ride of anybody," said a scout. "I mean, Boller's been on nothing but the rise. Ragone started high, slipped terribly and now he's grading up again."

Ragone, a left-hander like Simms, is big at just under 6-4. It's his weight at 249 pounds that draws skepticism.

"He's a heavy-legged guy and it really affects his mobility," said a scout. "He has a hard time getting away from the rush. I was disappointed with his 40 (4.94). I thought he'd run better and I thought he'd be quicker."

Most everyone agrees that Ragone's senior season was ragged, but they don't pin it all on him.

"His protection was terrible," said a personnel man. "He got beat up. I think he probably had to keep that weight on just to handle the beating. All in all, he was pretty productive in his career and I think he's a heck of a competitor."

Added another scout: "Really, from his junior to senior season, he lost a lot of O-linemen and people found out he lost a pretty good receiver in Deion Branch. Most quarterbacks struggle under those circumstances and he still made plenty of big plays."

Another sees him as a worthwhile project.

"He needs some work, especially with his feet," said a scout. "He throws a really good long ball. Like a lot of lefties, for some reason, he's good on the outside stuff, the go routes, the fades. But he's not as sharp, keen or aware of the crossing routes. So, he's got tools to work with, but he does need work."

That was echoed by a team that has dismissed Ragone: "His framing is off a lot of times, meaning the ball does down more often than you like. He's got a stiff upper body."

Another offensive coordinator said he would take his chance with Ragone.

"He's steady and he plays tall -- you don't see him get a lot of balls tipped," this coach said. "I see a strong arm. I see productivity. I see a tough guy and you better be a tough guy to play in this league.

http://espn.go.com/chrismortensen/s/2003/0321/1527408.html
 

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Originally posted by tigertat
Robertson isnt a one gap DT. He is over 320 lbs. and excells both at run stopping and breaking down the pocket. Would be a huge improvment over Tanner, Bell, Davis, and Dwyer who are all one dimensional guys. All are ealily replaceable.

Robertson would be the bigger bang for the buck over Johnson(great size sppe combo, but lacks true hands and had very bad workouts), or Newman(who will get torched without a pass rush)

Welcome tigertat, glad to see you found this board. I agree that a stud DT would be a great addition to the squad and Robertson would be a the correct choice, if Suggs isn't still there.

I would like to add that there is no proof that Bryant will pan out, I think most of us agree that he very well could, but why take the risk. Shore up the D-line so some unit on the defense can start to excell. Even if that unit is defined as the DT's.
 

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That is waaaaaaaaay too high for a track guy like Calico but I do like him. Bollinger is a tremendous sleeper, I think, who can probably play SS in this league if you give him a few years.

Overall, great job of hitting all our needs.
 

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Supps are Out

The supplementary picks were announced team by team via KFFL but nothing official on the nfl website yet. I haven't seen anything on the entire modified 7 round draft order either.

Cards get one supplementary pick - in the 6th round (#210).

Giants, Dolphs, Raves, Pack and Goats each got 4 picks - mainly rounds 4 - 7.
 

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You have to remember that Calico barely even played at the tiny-college level, so a first day pick would be a tremendous reach/gamble for him. Talk about a learning curve, this guy probably wouldn't contribute for 3 years. I don't know if we could afford another 2nd round pick on a guy who won't do anything for a couple seasons.
 
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Originally posted by Ed B
You have to remember that Calico barely even played at the tiny-college level, so a first day pick would be a tremendous reach/gamble for him. Talk about a learning curve, this guy probably wouldn't contribute for 3 years. I don't know if we could afford another 2nd round pick on a guy who won't do anything for a couple seasons.

As I said, I would take him or Bryant Johnson. I just want the team to add a receiver that could become a big time player for us.

Admittedly, I don't know too much about Calico....any here have the full write up on Calico? I know that his stats for last year aren't that impressive because he played in an option attack (similar to Mar Tay).

I love his size 6-3 7/8 222 pounds, and speed around 4.3. I might be a case that he looks like Tarzan, but plays like Jane :D.
 

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