He is doing well for a rookie, but yes, he is not ready for MLB. But he is better than Salazar or Burke
KTAR reporting we acquired Adam Dunn for prospects
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He is doing well for a rookie, but yes, he is not ready for MLB. But he is better than Salazar or Burke
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If the other 2 players are on the roster... we sure as HELL better be talking about Burke as one of those players....
Maybe Burke and Rosales?
Maybe Burke and Rosales?
Dunn has hit 32 HRs yet has only scored 58 runs for the year. So it sppears that even though his OBP is "high" that he rarely gets home from all those walks.
For a team that has displayed a strong offense, those 80 walks may come in handy but for a floundering one like the Dbacks have displayed lately, all those walks will be for naught.
Add to that the stranded runners he undoubtedly leaves and the poor fielding and I am just not seeing how this makes the team THAT much better.
How many times has he grounded in double plays this year and how does that compare with the current Dbacks stats?
For a team that has displayed a strong offense, those 80 walks may come in handy but for a floundering one like the Dbacks have displayed lately, all those walks will be for naught.
Add to that the stranded runners he undoubtedly leaves and the poor fielding and I am just not seeing how this makes the team THAT much better.
How many times has he grounded in double plays this year and how does that compare with the current Dbacks stats?
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That's because both of you think that a player who gets on base a lot won't positively affect an offense which is completely illogical.
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You do know that he played for the Reds right? If he gets on, someone else needs to bat him home.
Have the Dbacks shown the ability lately to effectively get that player home?
It is positive when said team can actually get that player home and right now, I just don't see that coming from the dbacks and unlike most, I don't see Reynolds or Jackson seeing any better pitches just because Dunn is around.
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That has nothing to do with Adam Dunn.
Of course, there's no way more baserunners would help a struggling offense.
Defense is a concern, especially in RF but I doubt he's there much longer when Upton returns and afte that he's really only replacing defensively a very marginal Conor Jackson and the overrated theatrics of Eric Byrnes. This team will struggle defensively more due to Hudson getting hurt than Dunn replacing CoJack.
He produces runs better than any player on the DBack as evidenced by his OPS both adjusted and otherwise.
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AZCB34, honestly, I find this whole debate rather amusing. You are seriously COMPLAINING about adding the MLB leader in home runs and one of the top players with OBP. We'll see.
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I gotta say.. ASSUMING, and giving this is a big assumption.... we didn;t give up much more than Buck... I don't see a down side to putting Dunn in....
At the very least he makes our lineup more dangerous, especially if we bat him 4th or 5th.. if pitchers pitch around him (whioch they have all year), we will have Reynolds and young behind him to work on getting him in... Given, thats NOT much, but its a HELL of a lot more than we have right now....
I think this trade will ignite this young team, and if we can make it to the playoffs, with Webb and Haren.. having Dunn in he lineup IMO.. will be HUGE... he may strike out 3 tiumes, but that one swing can win us at least a couple games... and for Buck.. it seems like a WIN/WIN to me...
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If you can't see the correlation between getting more runners on base and scoring more runs then there's no point even arguing with you. Nevermind that every statistician that has every studied baseball would laugh at your opinion but whatever.
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Well, he is a Cubs fan.
That has nothing to do with Adam Dunn.
Of course, there's no way more baserunners would help a struggling offense.
Defense is a concern, especially in RF but I doubt he's there much longer when Upton returns and afte that he's really only replacing defensively a very marginal Conor Jackson and the overrated theatrics of Eric Byrnes. This team will struggle defensively more due to Hudson getting hurt than Dunn replacing CoJack.
He produces runs better than any player on the DBack as evidenced by his OPS both adjusted and otherwise.
The Dbacks are not hitting much better than that Reds team everyone keeps talking about.
Whatever...I guess it is a great pickup.
Glad I could amuse everyone. I was never complaining about I just said I was unimpressed and gave my reasons why.
Clearly I am wrong and everyone else is right.
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I agree with this. I'm little surprised to see the strength of reaction when all the details are still not known. But, I am pleased that the team decided to invest in NOW. It's hard for me to see how we aren't a little better with Dunn, and that improves our chances at the division. Surely we're more likely to hold onto the division now, than we were yesterday.
I think the Cardinals showed everyone in baseball, JUST GET IN THE PLAYOFFS! Bad record, weak division... it doesn't matter if your pitching gets hot. With Webb and Haren as a 1-2, we can be a tough matchup for anybody in the playoffs.
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Oh man... can't get into the whole discussion again... It's been proven time and again that most successful teams honor the tradition of possessing a high average, high OBP Centerfielder... And over the past decade, this has also shifted to the SS and 2B positions...
The power, lower average positions remain 3B, 1B, RF... It's just the way baseball is...
The B-backs are flawed in that Young seems incapable of hitting above .240, and can't get his OBP above .320... He is the perfect trap for a team like the d-backs who possess some of the best pitching the game today, and Young is young enough and does just enough to make you say "hmmmm" - maybe... just maybe...
The d-backs will always find it very difficult to win consistently with Young as their everyday CF...
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I logged on this afternoon, and the DBacks board had more people on it than either the Suns or Cardinals board. I don't think I've ever seen that before.
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I am still betting that Upton may eventually get a shot at infield -- try him at SS, where he's played since he was 14, and move Drew to 2nd, maybe. Drew can't throw across the diamond for squat.
You guys are so funny -- you keep ranting and raving about getting a slugger, trade anything to get a slugger -- well sluggers strike out a lot, usually -- it's the nature of the beast. It what Reynolds will become with a bit more seasoning, and it's what Young will be. Reynolds has a few more RBIs than Dunn, more hits, 3 less total bases. Dunn is better on HR (by 8) and much better on one thing -- walks. AKA OBP. Important, yes, but still... Reynolds drives you nuts, and you're thrilled by Dunn.
I did happen to notice that Dunn is TIED for the most HR in MLB with two guys. One is a guy who is 2nd in Runs, 3rd in RBIs, and 3rd in SLG% for the AL.
btw, Young isn't going anywhere -- he still has potential, and they prematurely signed him to a plump long-term contract. He'll probably come around.
Usually PTBNL means that a couple names were discussed, and the decision will depend on either someone's health issues or how well the big name player works out.
You guys are so funny -- you keep ranting and raving about getting a slugger, trade anything to get a slugger -- well sluggers strike out a lot, usually -- it's the nature of the beast. It what Reynolds will become with a bit more seasoning, and it's what Young will be. Reynolds has a few more RBIs than Dunn, more hits, 3 less total bases. Dunn is better on HR (by 8) and much better on one thing -- walks. AKA OBP. Important, yes, but still... Reynolds drives you nuts, and you're thrilled by Dunn.
I did happen to notice that Dunn is TIED for the most HR in MLB with two guys. One is a guy who is 2nd in Runs, 3rd in RBIs, and 3rd in SLG% for the AL.
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btw, Young isn't going anywhere -- he still has potential, and they prematurely signed him to a plump long-term contract. He'll probably come around.
Usually PTBNL means that a couple names were discussed, and the decision will depend on either someone's health issues or how well the big name player works out.
So what is the Zenny take on the trade??
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I just want to point out that this was written by a man who opined that Carlos Quentin was a career AAAA player and would never be anything more.
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Me? Much ado, basically -- he's not going to give us what Orlando gave us, that's for sure. It's nice having a real, established slugger, if we didn't give up anyone who turns out to be valuable, and it's possible that he might help anchor a semi-consistent line-up.
You guys will tire of the Ks and poor defense soon enough. I was reminded of that watching Troy Glaus hit 2 HR the other night. The announcers said he might actually be in the running for a gold glove this year. He was injured here, and just starting on the downside of his HR power, but you guys were merciless in your impatience, as you have been with every player we've got.
You guys will tire of the Ks and poor defense soon enough. I was reminded of that watching Troy Glaus hit 2 HR the other night. The announcers said he might actually be in the running for a gold glove this year. He was injured here, and just starting on the downside of his HR power, but you guys were merciless in your impatience, as you have been with every player we've got.
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I know... While the rest of the board is batting .1000 when it comes to predictions, views and opinions, I swung and missed on Quentin...
Time will tell with Young, however, I remain convinced that he is the perfect trap, and that the D-backs would be well-advised to make a move if they have a chance at a more traditional, prototypical, higher average, higher OBP centerfielder...
Preach on mao, preach on.
To focus on batting average is to be ignorant of the one thing that makes baseball different then most sports. There is no clock. The only thing that limits the game is outs. Adam Dunn makes fewer outs than everyone else on the team besides Jackson.
To focus on batting average is to be ignorant of the one thing that makes baseball different then most sports. There is no clock. The only thing that limits the game is outs. Adam Dunn makes fewer outs than everyone else on the team besides Jackson.
