Kurt Thomas Out

[devilalum]

I haven't come up with a better idea yet. Willis would probably be more effective than Elden Campbell.

Isn't Willis 42 or 43?

 

[green machine]

Does anyone know how this even happened? On another note, how is Goog's health? Can he still hit the spot up J?

 

[devilalum]

Isn't Willis 42 or 43?

He's 43. His career high was 39 points against Denver 20 years ago.

How about Bill Russell? He was awesome. Didn't the guy win like 10 rings?

 

[elindholm]

He's 43. His career high was 39 points against Denver 20 years ago.

For what it's worth, he has been reasonably effective in spot duty the last several years. He played 29 games last season and even made five starts. He isn't a scorer (and didn't shoot at all well last year), but even at 43 he's a very good per-minute rebounder and (we could hope, anyway) a credible defender.

It's not like I'm saying it's a great idea. Who do you want instead, Bo Outlaw? Some NBDL guy? A Euro who's going to get pushed around even by NBA wings, and decimated by competent big men?

 

[jibikao]

Terrible!!!

Man, Kurt is one of our physical players.... we need him to handle the other big guys! This sucks.

 

[se7en]

Well this is disheartening. On the bright side is that the last game of the season ends on April 19th. Which is exactly 8 weeks and 4 days from today. Which means everyone should be back with about 2 weeks to spare. Just trying to look on the bright side... This lead on the Clippers is more important than ever now, because this team is going to lose a few games. Nash and Marion are going to drop from fatigue. I mean I'd love to see Marion continue to put up numbers like these in winning efforts but i just don't see it. He'd sure as heck get MVP if he did though.

 

[George O'Brien]

Perhaps the basketball gods are just not ready to let the Suns win it this season. Right now they are in the worst shape physically I can remember in several years:

Thomas - Out until early May
Stoudemire - out until mid March
Grant - out until mid March (status uncertain)
Tskitishvili - Out until mid March
Thompson - Out for indeterminiate period
Jones - played but not recovered from wrist injury (hit not shots)

We don't know if Jackson is even capable of playing and Burke is strictly a role player. This leaves the Suns with an incredibly vulnerable and it is hard to imagine anyone coming available that would help.

 

[NastyOne]

Anyone think giving Shawn Kemp a tryout is possible?

We all heard before the season how hes keeping himself in shape, and training everyday, in hopes that someone gives him a shot.

He has to be still better than anyone available on the FA list.

 

[Forrestham]

Tim Thomas wants to go to a contender. What happened to Skita? Doesnt make me feeel good to have Pat Burke as teh only healthy big man off the bench. Think it is time to play Jackson or even Dijon

 

[elindholm]

Tim Thomas wants to go to a contender.

Tim Thomas is a SF.

 

[Louis]

I've excused or argued for Sarver's basketball/business decisions up until now.

As most have worked out for the better. None of his decisions blew up in his face until now.

BC/Sarver were too busy playing grab *** about negotiating a contract that BC is obligated to work under until 2007.

They could've agreed to further discuss this issue in June/July of this summer.

What's the hurry right now? If he leaves he can't start making player moves in Toronto anyway. He can't do anything until the summer which is when he would most likely leave this job anyway.

Both moves are boneheaded by both Sarver and BC. BC for dismissing his priorities to the Suns to brown nose a losing franchise in Toronto and Sarver for allowing this to happen.

Sarver is obviously going to have a hand in all decisions during his reign as owner here and is going to put a puppet in the position of GM to reflect his protocol. But for now leave that shiat alone until after this season.
Idiotic.

It's already caused two problems so far...

1. Missed making any important moves by trade deadline, waiver wire material isn't going to get it done when it's your starting center you're trying to replace. We all knew KT wasn't playing very much before the all star break.
2. Marion was really pi55ed before the all star break because management failed to tell him about a rumor about him being traded. Sarver/BC once again were too dam-n busy to take care of SUNS business.

Sarver has a lot to do to regain my confidence again. He took one big chunk out my *** with this BC sitcheation.

Even with Amare's return they are in trouble if KT can't come back and play. Anybody remember how poor KT played during the 1st month here? It's going to be like that again because he's going to fall out of shape and not be game ready come playoff time. Unless he can get back sooner than the expected time frame.

 

[elindholm]

1. Missed making any important moves by trade deadline, waiver wire material isn't going to get it done when it's your starting center you're trying to replace. We all knew KT wasn't playing very much before the all star break.
2. Marion was really pi55ed before the all star break because management failed to tell him about a rumor about him being traded. Sarver/BC once again were too dam-n busy to take care of SUNS business.

I agree with you on the first point, but not the second. Rumors fly everywhere, all the time. Why is it the owner's responsibility to track players down before each game and say, "By the way, this rumor that you may have heard, like 99.99% of all other rumors out there, is bogus"?

I like Marion, but he needs to understand that his name is going to come up in trade rumors, just like everyone else's. That's not Sarver's fault.

The Thomas situation is quite troubling, however. Keep in mind that the Suns also inked Stoudemire's extension without understanding the extent of his problem, so there appears to be a bit of recklessness going on here.

 

[Louis]

Maybe to assure Marion that the rumor is merely such.

You're right it's not management's fault. But knowing it's out there and if they don't have any intention of trading him, maybe pulling him aside pregame and telling him that they are merely rumors and he's staying in a Suns uni would keep him content. Especially knowing that Marion has such a cloud over his head with always feeling like he doesn't get any respect.

But it is management's responsibility to keep their players, particularly their stars happy.

Keep in mind that the Suns also inked Stoudemire's extension without understanding the extent of his problem, so there appears to be a bit of recklessness going on here.

His knee has bothered him since the playoff series with the Mavs. They've had plenty of time to get it checked. Instead they opted to wait until Amare caused more damage to it with his summer activities.

Amare might not have been so forthcoming with the extent of his injury.

 

[Chaplin]

I love Marion, but I'm getting a little tired of his whining, especially about nonconsequential stuff, like bogus rumors and not getting "respect" and people always asking about his funky shot.

 

[Louis]

I love Marion, but I'm getting a little tired of his whining, especially about nonconsequential stuff, like bogus rumors and not getting "respect" and people always asking about his funky shot.

Agreed.

But Marion for whatever reason is sensitive about that kind of stuff and his shot, so even as their highest paid player under contract he still needs a little coddling to keep him happy.

 

[elindholm]

But Marion for whatever reason is sensitive about that kind of stuff and his shot, so even as their highest paid player under contract he still needs a little coddling to keep him happy.

I agree that they might as well coddle Marion a bit.

But who says they knew about the rumor? It was never printed anywhere; it seems to have been the invention of one reporter or maybe two. I would hope that Sarver and Colangelo have more important things to do than keep their ears peeled for every possible rumor that might be enjoying its flash in the pan. They aren't message-board posters, after all.

 

[JS22]

He's 43. His career high was 39 points against Denver 20 years ago.

For what it's worth, he has been reasonably effective in spot duty the last several years. He played 29 games last season and even made five starts. He isn't a scorer (and didn't shoot at all well last year), but even at 43 he's a very good per-minute rebounder and (we could hope, anyway) a credible defender.

It's not like I'm saying it's a great idea. Who do you want instead, Bo Outlaw? Some NBDL guy? A Euro who's going to get pushed around even by NBA wings, and decimated by competent big men?

I agree with you 100%.

 

[Louis]

I would hope that Sarver and Colangelo have more important things to do than keep their ears peeled for every possible rumor

They do, they're discussing the future of BC and not this franchise.

They aren't message-board posters, after all.

LOL. Maybe they should be, after all don't we (collectively) know it all?

It was never printed anywhere; it seems to have been the invention of one reporter or maybe two.

D-amn Jude LaCava.

 

[JS22]

I've excused or argued for Sarver's basketball/business decisions up until now.

As most have worked out for the better. None of his decisions blew up in his face until now.

BC/Sarver were too busy playing grab *** about negotiating a contract that BC is obligated to work under until 2007.

They could've agreed to further discuss this issue in June/July of this summer.

What's the hurry right now? If he leaves he can't start making player moves in Toronto anyway. He can't do anything until the summer which is when he would most likely leave this job anyway.

Both moves are boneheaded by both Sarver and BC. BC for dismissing his priorities to the Suns to brown nose a losing franchise in Toronto and Sarver for allowing this to happen.

Sarver is obviously going to have a hand in all decisions during his reign as owner here and is going to put a puppet in the position of GM to reflect his protocol. But for now leave that shiat alone until after this season.
Idiotic.

It's already caused two problems so far...

1. Missed making any important moves by trade deadline, waiver wire material isn't going to get it done when it's your starting center you're trying to replace. We all knew KT wasn't playing very much before the all star break.
2. Marion was really pi55ed before the all star break because management failed to tell him about a rumor about him being traded. Sarver/BC once again were too dam-n busy to take care of SUNS business.

Sarver has a lot to do to regain my confidence again. He took one big chunk out my *** with this BC sitcheation.

Even with Amare's return they are in trouble if KT can't come back and play. Anybody remember how poor KT played during the 1st month here? It's going to be like that again because he's going to fall out of shape and not be game ready come playoff time. Unless he can get back sooner than the expected time frame.

Wow....

 

[sunsfn]

Tim Thomas wants to go to a contender.

Tim Thomas is a SF.

Tim Thomas has the ability to play small forward, but he is a P.F. and that is where he has played the most.

His problem is his attitude, but right now, just for the rest of this year he is the best player available to the suns if they sign someone.
He is very athletic and could play the suns style very good.

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[sunsfn]

I love Marion, but I'm getting a little tired of his whining, especially about nonconsequential stuff, like bogus rumors and not getting "respect" and people always asking about his funky shot.

How do you know this was a bogus rumor?

LaCava is pretty well tuned into sports in the phx. area. He said the deal was on the table by a team. Marion may have heard it was a real offer, even though the suns did not want to do it, he did not know that and thought they should have told him about it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Tim Thomas has the ability to play small forward, but he is a P.F. and that is where he has played the most.

His problem is his attitude, but right now, just for the rest of this year he is the best player available to the suns if they sign someone.
He is very athletic and could play the suns style very good.

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no, tim thomas has almost always played sf. he has the body of a pf, but plays on the perimeter. that's always been the knock on him.

 

[Louis]

Waiver wire material is not the answer to the Suns' problems.

BC/Sarver messed that up when the trade deadline passed w/o moving any of their pieces that should've been parted with.

 

[elindholm]

Tim Thomas has the ability to play small forward, but he is a P.F. and that is where he has played the most.

In that case, he is the worst rebounding PF in the history of the league. He's never even averaged 5 boards a game over a season. Last season, he played more than 27 minutes per game and averaged barely three rebounds per.

I just can't consider someone a PF if he's afraid of the paint on both ends of the floor.

 

[Mainstreet]

Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, here's a list of FA big men


POWER FORWARDS
Robert Traylor, Samaki Walker, Christian Laettner, Vin Baker, Sam Clancy, Tom Gugliotta, Marcus Fizer, Jerome Moiso, Clarence Weatherspoon, Cherokee Parks, Dennis Rodman, Ryan Humphrey, Tony Massenburg, Mark Pope, Kimani Ffriend, Lucas Tischer

CENTERS
Jahidi White, Ben Handlogten, Andrew DeClercq, Oliver Miller, Wang Zhizhi, Curtis Borchardt, Tyler Coppenrath, Amal McCaskill, Roy Tarpley, Chris Marcus, Vladimir Stepania, Nate Huffman, Jayson Williams, Jared Reiner, Kyle Davis, Olden Polynice, Peter Cornell, Keith Closs, Luke Schenscher, Mamadou N'Diaye, Elden Campbell

If KT is out for the season... the Arizona Republic even mentioned surgery as an option for the stress fracture... some of the above (if available) don't sound half bad. I'm sorry but Pat Burke does not impress me.

The players I like the best off this list are the following: White, Massenburg, Fizer (I do not know why he is not on some NBA roster), Stepania, Laettner, Parks. I'm sure everyone has a criticism of these players I mentioned or I have overlooked but the Suns need some frontcourt help now from a former NBA player that at least used to know how to play.

Please no Paul Shirley.