Kurt Warner: Fighting Time and Himself?

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It's been quite a last 14 months for Kurt Warner. What a ride! Let's rewind the clock to remind ourselves of what has transpired for Kurt Warner after the past 14 months:

1) 14 months ago, Kurt Warner was scheduled to be the Cardinals' #2 QB behind Matt Leinart, the Cardinals #1 pick (#10) in the 2006 Draft. Leinart had been tabbed the team's starting QB at the beginning of the 2008 off-season by Head Coach Ken Whisenhunt, despite the fact that Warner led the Cardinals to a 5-3 record at a recently unprecedented 28 ppg clip the second half of the 2007 season. Whisenhunt justified his decision by saying that Leinart didn't deserve to lose the starting job because of the injury he incurred in the Rams' game early in the season.

Realistically, with Leinart signed for several more years and Warner on the last year of his contract, the hope was that the younger player would be the best option for the present and future. There may also have been an incentive of the Cardinals' front office's part to squelch any sentiment on Warner's part to pay him more money for the 2008 season than the $5M he was scheduled to make in the final year of his contract. $5M is a handsome sum for a backup, but is chicken feed for a starter who could put up the numbers Warner did while essentially playing with one arm the second half of the 2007 season.

To Warner's credit he persevered...and one could not help but recognize that Warner may often be at his very best when he's chewing on humble pie...for perhaps Warner's greatest attribute is his humbleness, which is tied into his more than modest roots, his remarkable rise to stardom in the NFL from those modest roots, and Warner's extraordinary piety.

2) Warner wrests the starting QB job from Leinart on the last week of the pre-season (a decision that wasn't made public by Whisenhunt until the eve of the first week of the season, almost seemingly as a retaliation for what in Whisenhunt's asessement was a premature and irresponsible report on ESPN following the Raider pre-season game that Warner would be named the starter---even though all indications were clearly in ESPN's favor that Warner was the no-brainer choice as the passer for a team that boasts arguably the best WR tandem in the NFL).

3). Early in the season, at the end of a 56-35 loss to the Jets, Warner contemplates retiring immediately after feeling devestated by WR Anquan Boldin's traumatic head injury suffered in the last meaningless seconds of the game after Warner threw the ball high to Boldin in the end zone.

4) Warner leads the Cardinals to its first NFC West title, going 6-0 in the NFC West, and its very first home play off game in Arizona. Warner is the highest rated QB in the NFC at 96.9 points. He completes 67.1 % of his passes for 4583 yards, 30 TDs and 14 ints. Three of his WRs turn in 1,000 yard seasons (Larry Fitzgerald- 96 catches for 1,431 yds and 12 TDs, tops in the NFC, Anquan Boldin-1038, 2nd in the NFC behind Fitz with 89 catches and 11 TDs, and Breaston-77 catches for 1,006 yards and 3 TDs).

5) Warner leads the Cardinals to three straight playoff wins versus Atlanta, Carolina and Philadelphia, thus giving the Cardinals their first ever NFC Championship and appearance in the Super Bowl...and with 2:37 left in the Super Bowl, Warner provided the Cardinals with a lead on a scintillating 67 yard TD to Larry Fitzgerald who snagged the ball on a skinny post and raced throught the Steelers' secondary like a motorboat zooming past a couple of sailboats.

In 4 playoff games Warner completed 68% of his passes for nearly 1200 yards and 11 TDs.

6) At the Super Bowl, Warner is named the 2008 Walter Payton man of the Year for his outstanding philanthropy and his First Things First Foundation. Upon being presented with the award, Warner said to the national TV audience: "I am humbled the Lord has given me such an amazing life to impact others."

7) Warner is the NFC's starting QB in the Pro Bowl.

8) Following the Super Bowl and the Pro Bowl Warner announces that he is unsure of his desire to play again. He is going to contemplate his future and ask for God's guidance. In one interview, Warner said he was concerned about being able to be a good father to his kids, both in the short and long run, and that the potential to be crippled by injury in pro football is always a concern.

9) Meanwhile just a day after the Pro Bowl, Warner's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is telling the national media that Warner is indeed going to seek a new contract for 2009 and that he would be looking for a two year contract at that.

10) A week later Warner confirmed Bartelstein's statement by saying that while on vacation with his family in Hawaii, he could not get football out of his mind---which was his sign that he wanted to keep playing. He also stated emphatically that he wanted to remain in Arizona because that's where he belonged.

11) Rumors started to fly about what Bartelstein's contract expectations were. At the end of the day, the numbers Bartelstein was talking were 2 years at $14.5M a year ($29M total). The Cardinals were offering 2/$20M.

12) Frustrated by a lack of movement in negotiations with the Cardinals, Warner elects to be flown out with his wife on a private jet to San Francisco where he is wined and dined by the 49ers' brass.

13). According to Warner, "My family didn't want to close a door if God wanted it open---I told my wife probably 45 minutes into the SF interview that I felt God say 'you're supposed to be in Arizona'." On the plane ride back to Arizona Warner called Bertelstein and said "no matter what get a deal done with Arizona."

14) On March 4, 2009 Kurt Warner resigns with the Cardinals for 2 years at $23M---with a signing bonus of $15M. He also said that he would give $1M of his signing bonus back to assist the Cardinals in re-signing Anquan Boldin. At his press conference Warner looked very uneasy when asked about the lucrative aspects of his contract, especially following comments he made about God's influence in his decision.

15) Shortly thereafter, Warner has hip surgery. He terms is as nothing significant, but a procedure that will enable his to play pain free.

16) During the off-season, Warner's and wife's book First Things First: The Rules of Being a Warner, hits the bookstands.

17) In the pre-season, Warner was basically ineffective...and at times was forcing the ball into double coverage...which is generally uncharacteristic of him.

18) In game one versus the 49ers, Warner is ineffective again, and the Cardinals lose their home opener. He attributes his ineffectiveness to poor timing on the offense's part. He was also pressured well all afternoon by Parys Haralson and Justin Smith. In addition, Warner looked very slow and deliberate in this game in getting the ball sanpped and even incurred a dealy of game penalty following a 49er timeout, at a critical juncture in the game.

19) In game two, just when pundits like Jimmy Johnson were completely writing Warner and the Cardinals off, Warner sets the NFL single game completion record by completing 24 of 26 passes. The Cardinals win big on the road versus an East Coast team.

20) There are reports that Warner didn't play the later portions of the Jacksonville game because of a sore throwing shoulder.

21) In game three, Warner and the Cardinal offense appear to be off to a very good start versus the Colts on SNF, but a Tim Hightower fumble on the Colts' 7 yard line which likely costs the Cardinals a potential 10-0 lead, which was the momentum changing play of the game and, when the Cardinals fell behind, the Colts' pass rush was on Warner so fast he didn't have a chance. On the sidelines during the second half Warner looks physically and mentally drained.

Thus, here Warner and the Cardinals are at the bye week at 1-2, 0-2 at home and searching for answers.

Fighting Time:

Warner has been beating Father Time thus far. His concerns about maintaining his health playing in such a violent sport at such a physcially punishing position are every player's concern, but must be especially daunting for someone who is 38 years old and has been playing for as long as Warner has.

What must be even more of a concern for Warner at this point is how he is going to last 13 more games (and hopefully more) playing behind a shaky offensive line and in a system that does not place immediate priority on offering the QB optimum protection.

Every opponent the Cardinals play knows one sure thing: if they don't get to Warner, as Jacksonville didn't, he still has what it takes to put up 28-31 points per game. The 49ers and Colts made it their priority to rush Warner like crazy and play jump coverage to take away Warner's first option, which would then allow for the rush to converge on him while he checks for his second and third options.

Kurt Warner is a marked man. He is not mobile and if he continues to take the pounding he did versus Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, San Francisco and Indianapolis (the Cardinals are 1-3 in those games), time is not in his favor.

Fighting Himself:

First of all, Warner looks very lonely and less self-assured this year without Todd Haley by his side. Warner thrives when he has a close confidant to consult with. Warner's re-ascension to stardom occured when Haley took over the playcalling during the second half of 2007. The OC Haley/QB Warner combination was 17-11 overall, 3-1 in the playoffs.

Secondly, Warner has found himself this year in a very strange position. He does not have to battle, scape and claw for starting games or for getting playing time. What he has to battle, therefore, within himself is the temptation to grow a little complacent, even to the point where he becomes a little careless at times. Now...Warner will always be the "fierce competitor" he has asked to be remembered for...and there are few QBs in NFL history who are more hungry to put up big numbers, points and wins. This is why at times, to his detriment in a way, Warner holds on to the ball as long as he does. He never wants to give up on a play. He is always thinking big.

Thirdly, Warner has to now feel the pressure of living up to the team's and the fans' expectations, seeing as he the highest paid player on the team. After what he accomplished for the team and the organization last year, he deserves to be the highest paid player on the team. But, that was then and this is now. There is added pressure for him to perform, and without Todd Haley, without acceptable protection schemes and with a bullseye on his jersey, Warner has to find a way to prevail nonetheless. And now that he's been battling first through the hip soreness and now the shoulder soreness, he is going to have to fight his way through pain in his efforts to meet his own and the team's expectations.

There's a good deal of weight on Warner this year---probably more than ever before. He's performed his way into his current position and he asked to be back and was given 23,000,000 reasons to...and this time around he's recently been able to feast on the juicy fruits of his labor rather than his customary portions of humble pie. Well, if Warner stays committed to his true humble self, he has a chance to do something very special once again, that is...if he keeps in favor with Father Time.
 

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His play and overall health is the key to double digit wins or winning 5 games this year.

He's done it before but age is not on his side as you so deftly pointed out Mitch.

Good write-up. I think we will learn all we need to know about this Cardinal team come next Sunday.
 

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Great write up Mitch. We will miss Warner when he is gone. Leadership does not grow on trees and he leads by example. The Cards and us fans have been fortunate he has been on this team. We would not have accomplished what we have with out him so it has been worth the baggage he brings off the field that some see.
 

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Wow,BRAVO and how could anyone add anything to such an awesome recap? I know if Breaston who practiced all week with Warner and then on gameday warmups came up lame in the 9ers game,had played healthy like he practiced.(The game would have been different.)

I think that crucial game started the season off on the very wrong foot against our major rival and Warner's Key rival most of his NFL playing days.I think Warner was thrown off by the consequences and has'nt regained total confidence in our passing game since.

We are missing too many plays that made Warner more comfortable to start games with that Haley gave Warner to start games and we still have yet to run those plays yet if we ever will....? I'm lost for words in the creativity at play calling for our mostly passing team and too many teams are able to focus in on what we are doing while Haley was able to get the right mix in the playoffs.(not so much during the 9-7 season).

I agree Miller isn't the guy to help Warner on the sidelines like Manning has Father Moore to always be there for him since he put his cleats on.Something Kurt has'nt had.We need to even be expanding our playbook and what we can do with the talent at WR.While we are spending time trying to recapture what we once lost.

I don't have the answer.I only hope Kurt can man up better than he ever has in his career and with GOD can take the hits and make the throws we need to win the games.Better hands all around too.Warner is the hunted and he feels it early and often.Thats why the Bye was crucial for him and less for the team.

What can the coaches do to help the main cog in this team as a wheel roll? Will they do anything after two weeks of practice besides basics? I just PRAY so. Lets take that one step foreward this week and hope not to take two steps backward the next.Even the Lions game won't be a gimme' game this year.No way.Everyone is getting better this year,even through the mounting injuries leaguewide.WE HAVE TO GET BETTER than we've ever been yet TOGETHER.:D
 

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There's nothing the coaches can do to turn back the clock.

Wells they could but they haven't.


Watched Eli Manning throw a rocket completion off his back foot with a defender in his gut. That's what a young gun can do for you. Our old man runs backwards and gets sacked for a 28 yard loss. Not Warner's fault he's football old but that's the reality.
 
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There's nothing the coaches can do to turn back the clock.

Wells they could but they haven't.


Watched Eli Manning throw a rocket completion off his back foot with a defender in his gut. That's what a young gun can do for you. Our old man runs backwards and gets sacked for a 28 yard loss. Not Warner's fault he's football old but that's the reality.


Not to get this thread sidetracked but the week earlier Kurt Warner WITH protection broke an almost 2 decade NFL passer record and tied a Franchise record passing.

He was against an all out assault by the two DE's and inside rush also.I saw a very speedy quarterback play against that same pass rush(even though Freeney) was hurt.That half thrower half running quarterback scored in the fourth quarter after an onsides kick bounced the seahawks way and the colts had already phoned it in.

Yes We'll never ever see Kurt Warner run 15-20 yards for a touchdown in life.I agree with that one.:D
 

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Great write-up Mitch. I actually think this is one of your best ever. Most insightful. Most fair and balanced. And truly, spot-on.

Warner in so many ways is a throw-back. He's not the new-age, mobile style QB. He's not a Manning who's calling the game from the line of scrimmage. He's more like a Bradshaw to me... though a much better passer than Terry ever was. Kurt is a pure, proto-typical Pocket-Passer, at a time when the NFL game has evolved in a way that does not very much cater to pure pocket-passers...

As a believer myself, I cherish the fact that I happen to cheer for a team that possesses a leader who is so passionate about his faith. If nothing else, Kurt serves as a tremendous role model for all those who choose to see him and respect him for all that he is.

While some of us feel sorry for Kurt for having to endure a rough go of it thus far, and seeing him take such a brutal beating behind one of the most inept and porous o-lines in the NFL, you can rest assured Kurt doesn't pity himself in the least.
Plain and simple, he is a passionate warrior who wants to win each time he takes the field. Like most great athletes, he doesn't tolerate failure and losses well at all. And sometimes that can be misconstrued as Kurt being selfish, or whinny, or sulking... However, his players and coaches know better. As do some of us...

Yes - Kurt got paid this offseason. However, again that too can lead to all sorts of misperceptions unfortunately. In Kurt's world, prior to getting his latest and last NFL contract, he had already made more money than he ever imagined possible, and way more money than he and his family would ever need. He came back this season beause he truly believed this team could get back to the big dance. Period...

The loss of Haley, compounded by not have an pure Offensive Coordinator, is killing Kurt and the offense. Both Q and Fitz are suffering as well... But, the fingers point in Kurt's direction. Just part of the game and it all goes with being an aging QB who just got paid...

Cards fans should all be thankful for what Warner has done for us, the team, the city... Dont' know what the rest of the season holds for this franchise, but I do know that as long as #13 is in the game, anything is possible. I'll stick with that for a while longer! :D
 

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So Kurt may be football old. He still has the stats that say he is in the upper arena of NFL QB so far this season. I believe his offseason routine was upset with the surgery and contract. There has not been as much prep time with his wr crew so timing has been off. He still has 2 yrs left in the tank. He started late as a NFL Qb and really has only suffered a couple of seasons of brutal beatings. Barring injury I think we will see this group get in step with one another and the naysayers will be glad handers as we take the division. If this does not happen then Kurt may just hang it up foregoing his final year. Either way he has been one of the great stories of the NFL and the Cardinals.
 
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Yes - Kurt got paid this offseason. However, again that too can lead to all sorts of misperceptions unfortunately. In Kurt's world, prior to getting his latest and last NFL contract, he had already made more money than he ever imagined possible, and way more money than he and his family would ever need. He came back this season beause he truly believed this team could get back to the big dance. Period...
How much money is enough?

Just a little bit more... :cool:

I respect Kurt, but don't make the mistake of thinking he would be playing today if it weren't for the money. And it's the same for nearly every if not all professionals.
 

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So Kurt may be football old. He still has the stats that say he is in the upper arena of NFL QB so far this season. I believe his offseason routine was upset with the surgery and contract. There has not been as much prep time with his wr crew so timing has been off. He still has 2 yrs left in the tank. He started late as a NFL Qb and really has only suffered a couple of seasons of brutal beatings. Barring injury I think we will see this group get in step with one another and the naysayers will be glad handers as we take the division. If this does not happen then Kurt may just hang it up foregoing his final year. Either way he has been one of the great stories of the NFL and the Cardinals.

That's going to be real tough now. Already 2 games behind the 49ers. 1.5 on straight record (3-1 vs 1-2) and another half game on the head to head.

Farve will win more this year imo than Warner because he can hand the ball off to Peterson and doesn't have to chunk it 40 times a game. Unless the Cards can get some semblance of a ground game I'm afraid we'll see a huge drop off in the second half of the season from Warner as he wears down. Just like the Jets did last year with Farve.

The same thing will probably happen to our 30+ year old pass rushers. I just don't see a bright 2009 for this outfit and as much as I wanted to not believe it the Super Bowl hangover appears to be a reality for Arizona.
 

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That's going to be real tough now. Already 2 games behind the 49ers. 1.5 on straight record (3-1 vs 1-2) and another half game on the head to head.

Farve will win more this year imo than Warner because he can hand the ball off to Peterson and doesn't have to chunk it 40 times a game. Unless the Cards can get some semblance of a ground game I'm afraid we'll see a huge drop off in the second half of the season from Warner as he wears down. Just like the Jets did last year with Farve.

The same thing will probably happen to our 30+ year old pass rushers. I just don't see a bright 2009 for this outfit and as much as I wanted to not believe it the Super Bowl hangover appears to be a reality for Arizona.

Duck, I'm with you as far as trying to catch the Niners. I think with every win by the Niners & every loss by the cards puts more pressure on this team to succeed. We are behind the eight ball right now, very similar to what our NFC West opponents were early last season. I know its early in the season, but we appear unwilling to adjust our gameplans based on what the opposition is doing to us defensively & offensively. I was worried in preseason and they have shown me pretty much what I believed would happen, a let down. This teams confidence is probably very low right now.
 

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Just think how lucky the Vikings were to beat the 9ers too? If it was'nt for a once in a lifetime throw and catch the 9ers are 4-0.I do see them losing pretty soon though.Gore out will start to hurt.Today they only outrushed the lambs by 2 yards,and thats all the lambs did was run.Even when they were behind.

They have nothing else with no recievers and Boller as qb.So today was a given win.I'm not giving up the ship yet.Glad the Texans won today and saw a very fast defense and a good runner in Slaton and we all know the all world WR and great TE they have.

One more time in the nest.I think it will end up blacked out though,unless the Texans travel well.:mad:We don't normally do to well after the bye but I think we can try to put the fragile mentality behind and play some head hunting football in a week.

A lot of IFS and this team could be anything from 3-0 to 0-3.I just wish we could settle down mentally.Start to believe again.In each other.
 

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Just think how lucky the Vikings were to beat the 9ers too? If it was'nt for a once in a lifetime throw and catch the 9ers are 4-0.I do see them losing pretty soon though.Gore out will start to hurt.Today they only outrushed the lambs by 2 yards,and thats all the lambs did was run.Even when they were behind.

They have nothing else with no recievers and Boller as qb.So today was a given win.I'm not giving up the ship yet.Glad the Texans won today and saw a very fast defense and a good runner in Slaton and we all know the all world WR and great TE they have.

One more time in the nest.I think it will end up blacked out though,unless the Texans travel well.:mad:We don't normally do to well after the bye but I think we can try to put the fragile mentality behind and play some head hunting football in a week.

A lot of IFS and this team could be anything from 3-0 to 0-3.I just wish we could settle down mentally.Start to believe again.In each other.

Excellent points. However, now I'm really concerned. Barely lose to the Vikings last week and then today Hill throws for 150 yards, Gore is out, and the 49ers win 35-0. :(

Next Sunday can't get here fast enough.
 

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There's lots of variables but having watched most of the Niners game today, I admit I fell asleep in the middle, the Rams are HORRIBLE, and I still can't believe we lost to SF.

SF's defense is pretty good, but the Rams and Seahawks were decimated when they played them. If you saw the game today SF's offense put up 2 TD's. They got a TD on a punt that hit a blocker, rolled into the endzone, where the blocker tried to pick it up instead of falling on it, lost it, SF recovered for a TD. They got anotehr TD when Kyle Boller continued his history of throwing on the run across his body over the middle, Willis picked it off and scored. A third TD was a fumble returned for a TD. SF's defense outscored the O today.

The D is well coached, but the Rams are just putrid. The next 3 games are Atlanta(in SF), Hou(in Hou) and the Colts(in Indy) they'll probably lose 2 of those games, they might actually lose all 3. Then Tennessee which has to get it going eventually, probably an SF win though. They will also lose to Philly and Green Bay so that's at least 4 more losses. Then I would hope we'll win the rematch so that's 5 more losses puts them at 6 overall losses. Houston, Chicago and Jax are all good enough to beat them if they play well. I'd be surprised if SF wins more than 9 games this year.

Now if we don't get our offense going and our defense fixed it won't matter we won't win enough games to catch them, but their lead is not even close to insurmountable. It basically comes down to if the Cards don't start playing better it won't matter what SF does, they'll win the division because Seattle is decimated and the Rams stink. If the Cards start playing well, we can still win the division.
 

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There's lots of variables but having watched most of the Niners game today, I admit I fell asleep in the middle, the Rams are HORRIBLE, and I still can't believe we lost to SF.

SF's defense is pretty good, but the Rams and Seahawks were decimated when they played them. If you saw the game today SF's offense put up 2 TD's. They got a TD on a punt that hit a blocker, rolled into the endzone, where the blocker tried to pick it up instead of falling on it, lost it, SF recovered for a TD. They got anotehr TD when Kyle Boller continued his history of throwing on the run across his body over the middle, Willis picked it off and scored. A third TD was a fumble returned for a TD. SF's defense outscored the O today.

The D is well coached, but the Rams are just putrid. The next 3 games are Atlanta(in SF), Hou(in Hou) and the Colts(in Indy) they'll probably lose 2 of those games, they might actually lose all 3. Then Tennessee which has to get it going eventually, probably an SF win though. They will also lose to Philly and Green Bay so that's at least 4 more losses. Then I would hope we'll win the rematch so that's 5 more losses puts them at 6 overall losses. Houston, Chicago and Jax are all good enough to beat them if they play well. I'd be surprised if SF wins more than 9 games this year.

Now if we don't get our offense going and our defense fixed it won't matter we won't win enough games to catch them, but their lead is not even close to insurmountable. It basically comes down to if the Cards don't start playing better it won't matter what SF does, they'll win the division because Seattle is decimated and the Rams stink. If the Cards start playing well, we can still win the division.

Exactly right. If the Cards don't get things going we'll lose to the same teams and we'll never catch up. Even if we do pull off a win in SF.
 

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There's lots of variables but having watched most of the Niners game today, I admit I fell asleep in the middle, the Rams are HORRIBLE, and I still can't believe we lost to SF.

SF's defense is pretty good, but the Rams and Seahawks were decimated when they played them. If you saw the game today SF's offense put up 2 TD's. They got a TD on a punt that hit a blocker, rolled into the endzone, where the blocker tried to pick it up instead of falling on it, lost it, SF recovered for a TD. They got anotehr TD when Kyle Boller continued his history of throwing on the run across his body over the middle, Willis picked it off and scored. A third TD was a fumble returned for a TD. SF's defense outscored the O today.

The D is well coached, but the Rams are just putrid. The next 3 games are Atlanta(in SF), Hou(in Hou) and the Colts(in Indy) they'll probably lose 2 of those games, they might actually lose all 3. Then Tennessee which has to get it going eventually, probably an SF win though. They will also lose to Philly and Green Bay so that's at least 4 more losses. Then I would hope we'll win the rematch so that's 5 more losses puts them at 6 overall losses. Houston, Chicago and Jax are all good enough to beat them if they play well. I'd be surprised if SF wins more than 9 games this year.

Now if we don't get our offense going and our defense fixed it won't matter we won't win enough games to catch them, but their lead is not even close to insurmountable. It basically comes down to if the Cards don't start playing better it won't matter what SF does, they'll win the division because Seattle is decimated and the Rams stink. If the Cards start playing well, we can still win the division.

Yup. I watched that SF game today and while the final score read 35-0 it was far from impressive. Their offense just ain't all that much.

The Rams are just putrid though. We better blast them.
 

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There's lots of variables but having watched most of the Niners game today, I admit I fell asleep in the middle, the Rams are HORRIBLE, and I still can't believe we lost to SF.

SF's defense is pretty good, but the Rams and Seahawks were decimated when they played them. If you saw the game today SF's offense put up 2 TD's. They got a TD on a punt that hit a blocker, rolled into the endzone, where the blocker tried to pick it up instead of falling on it, lost it, SF recovered for a TD. They got anotehr TD when Kyle Boller continued his history of throwing on the run across his body over the middle, Willis picked it off and scored. A third TD was a fumble returned for a TD. SF's defense outscored the O today.

The D is well coached, but the Rams are just putrid. The next 3 games are Atlanta(in SF), Hou(in Hou) and the Colts(in Indy) they'll probably lose 2 of those games, they might actually lose all 3. Then Tennessee which has to get it going eventually, probably an SF win though. They will also lose to Philly and Green Bay so that's at least 4 more losses. Then I would hope we'll win the rematch so that's 5 more losses puts them at 6 overall losses. Houston, Chicago and Jax are all good enough to beat them if they play well. I'd be surprised if SF wins more than 9 games this year.

Now if we don't get our offense going and our defense fixed it won't matter we won't win enough games to catch them, but their lead is not even close to insurmountable. It basically comes down to if the Cards don't start playing better it won't matter what SF does, they'll win the division because Seattle is decimated and the Rams stink. If the Cards start playing well, we can still win the division.

You guys are right about the Niners offense not being anything special. But they are doing some things the Cards can only dream about right now:

1) Their offense protects the ball & doesn't put their defense in bad situations with turnovers

2) They can pressure opposing offenses with their front 4

3) They have enough solid CB's to play man to man or whatever coverage they want

4) They dont give up alot of big plays defensively

5) The players & coaches play to their strengths & know their limits


Bottom line is the Niners aren't going to beat themselves. We are going to have a very difficult time catching them.
 

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How much money is enough?

Just a little bit more... :cool:

I respect Kurt, but don't make the mistake of thinking he would be playing today if it weren't for the money. And it's the same for nearly every if not all professionals.

Uh... the NFL is the league "where they play for pay"... So yea - Kurt is indeed playing for a paycheck, as is every other NFL player.
As I said, the $$ has never been a central focal point for Kurt. His priorities extend well beyond the money aspect of the sport.
He is back with the Cards simply because he felt the team had a legit shot at getting back to the Super Bowl. Yes, he's being paid to come back. Condem the guy for taking a paycheck? :mulli:
 

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Good writeup Walter and good comments by posters.

We're looking for some cohesion that we had last year. Remember though, before the playoffs we were a 9-7 team and were blown out by the Jets, Eagles and Pats albiet there were negative circumstances in all those games.

I think it's about the team, not any one player. Even if that player is one Kurt Warner and the great impact he's made over the last two seasons.

The 9ers are better and we (the team) just needs to answer that for the rest of the year now. It's really that simple, and that real.

Play with poise, speed and physicality and cut out the giveaways. I think we need to be consistent in doing this and it'll turn out right.

And of course execution! It starts upfront and goes from there. The leaders need to be accountable.
 

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Ah Mitch, -----there you are my friend. I knew you were lurking, just off in the weeds close by.

You have written what most of us wanted to, but you did it without being hurtful. As much as I tried to find a way to say what you did, I couldn't say it like you did, with tact and grace and total admiration for Kurt, the man. Thank you for helping me to find words to contribute in this matter.

Your'e right of course, he does get 23 mil in his contract. He is making his money the old fashioned way, however, ----- HE HAS EARNED IT-----

Yet, ----- there is still a season to play, games to win or lose, and much trouble to deal with. We will all have to wait and see if he is up to it one more time. He somehow has been able to dig down and find something to hold onto each time it looked like he was finished with football.

He has lived a good life, and maybe God HAS helped him out for that. If so, He has done Kurt no real favors though, as the terrible carnage on his body has obviously weighed heavily on his mind, and caused much concern for his own ability to be a father to his children now and in the future. At least the kind of father he wants to be.

He carries a horrendous load, as he is trying to be so many things to so many different people. A father to his children. A companion to his wife. A leader to his team mates. A hero to his fans. A saviour to his foundation. One can sense that he hurts, when he fails at even one of these tasks, let alone feeling that he is not now accomplishing many of them like he wants.

In the past, he has been able to resurrect himself back to greatness. But there has always been that deep hole that he has had to crawl back out of, and it appears to be as deep this time as ever.

On top of everything, there doesn't seem to be a lot of help available for him. The only real breakaway threat we have at WR has been hurt most of the pre-season and the regular season so far. He has lost his confidant and mentor in Haley. The O-line, (having been built to sustain a power run game), has always been barely adequate as a pass-protect unit. Our run game has lacked the power runner that we desire until the arrival of Beanie. Tim is solid, but not what you would consider a top back at all. Beanie may be that back, but he has missed much off-season training, and now has fumblitis, (never a good thing for a back), and we are not seeing him. There seems to be little in the way of keeping opponents from teeing off on KW's im-mobility, including the play calling. The head coach has spread himself so thin that it is not easy for him to seek and find solutions.

AND ----- so we wait to see what shakes out for the next road trip. Maybe playing on the road will give the team a chance to play a more relaxed game, not having all the screaming sea of red with their tremendous expectations immediately at hand to pile the pressure on them to perform flawlessly.

One way or the other, ----- we should get a peek as what will more than likely prevail for most of the remainder of this season. If we all had Kurt's faith and confidence, the future might be much easier for us to face.

Thanks for your write-up Mitch. And thanks for helping me to say what I wanted to without being hurtful.
 

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It seems like a big risk to sign a 37 year old QB for two years, especially with the suspect offensive line at the Cardinals. However, that risk has been taken so we just have to back Warner and the rest of the team to find the momentum again which took us to the SuperBowl.

Great OP, btw. Very insightful.
 

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There's lots of variables but having watched most of the Niners game today, I admit I fell asleep in the middle, the Rams are HORRIBLE, and I still can't believe we lost to SF.

SF's defense is pretty good, but the Rams and Seahawks were decimated when they played them. If you saw the game today SF's offense put up 2 TD's. They got a TD on a punt that hit a blocker, rolled into the endzone, where the blocker tried to pick it up instead of falling on it, lost it, SF recovered for a TD. They got anotehr TD when Kyle Boller continued his history of throwing on the run across his body over the middle, Willis picked it off and scored. A third TD was a fumble returned for a TD. SF's defense outscored the O today.

The D is well coached, but the Rams are just putrid. The next 3 games are Atlanta(in SF), Hou(in Hou) and the Colts(in Indy) they'll probably lose 2 of those games, they might actually lose all 3. Then Tennessee which has to get it going eventually, probably an SF win though. They will also lose to Philly and Green Bay so that's at least 4 more losses. Then I would hope we'll win the rematch so that's 5 more losses puts them at 6 overall losses. Houston, Chicago and Jax are all good enough to beat them if they play well. I'd be surprised if SF wins more than 9 games this year.

Now if we don't get our offense going and our defense fixed it won't matter we won't win enough games to catch them, but their lead is not even close to insurmountable. It basically comes down to if the Cards don't start playing better it won't matter what SF does, they'll win the division because Seattle is decimated and the Rams stink. If the Cards start playing well, we can still win the division.

Agree that the Niners are not ALL THAT. It seems like Singletary is gettng maximum production out of them and playing not to lose. Against mediocre and poor teams and teams hit by injury that is enough. Vernon Davis seems to finally be playing like they thought he could when they made him the fifth overall pick.

The Niners caught all three division opponents when they were hit with injuries. For example, the Rams were without Marc Bulger and lost Laurent Robinson for the year. Their defense is playing at a very high level.

The Rams just commit waaaay too many penalties, stupid and otherwise. Reminds me of the Cardinals. The Niners by contrast are much more disciplined.
 
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