KW has finally lost his mind

[desertdawg]

From what Urban was saying on Twitter.. It was pre determined that Bartel was going to get snaps in this game.. So I dont know why following your game plan is ridiculous.. In the grand scheme of things, did this game really matter? So I think Stout and all the Whis haters here are just flying off the handle with this.. They didnt bench Skelton for bad play.. They bench him because they wanted to see Bartel.. And Im sure they notified Skelton of it too so he prolly isnt whining about it either..

Watching Bartel for 5 or 6 throws didn't show us jack. Just ended the season perfectly, with another one of Whiz's QBs throwing a pick. He should have left Skelton in IMO, IMO he should hand over the play call and quit playing musical chairs with the QB situation.

 

[TJ]

TJ your takes are usually good but how can you say this when the Cards have had 5 different QBs fail the last 13 months?

Leinart,Anderson,Hall,Skelton and Bartel. Especially when, except for Hall's size, they've all looked about the same.

This was in the context of taking a high round QB and making nothing out of them. Stout is saying if we draft a #1 QB, Whis will kill him.

Anderson was crap to begin with. Skelton is raw and his future is TBD. Hall was nothing to begin with. Who cares about Bartel and Leinart wasnt mature enough to secure the starting job.

 

[Gee!]

Watching Bartel for 5 or 6 throws didn't show us jack. Just ended the season perfectly, with another one of Whiz's QBs throwing a pick. He should have left Skelton in IMO, IMO he should hand over the play call and quit playing musical chairs with the QB situation.

For what? What was there to accomplish leaving Skelton in the last game of the season where we were getting blown out? On a 5-11 team.. It meant absolutly nothing.. Im trying to figure out this line of thinking.. We have seen enuff of Skelton this year to get a good gauge on him.. What would have possibly been done in the last quarter and a half of this crappy season with Skelton left in the game?

 

[desertdawg]

For what? What was there to accomplish leaving Skelton in the last game of the season where we were getting blown out? On a 5-11 team.. It meant absolutly nothing.. Im trying to figure out this line of thinking.. We have seen enuff of Skelton this year to get a good gauge on him.. What would have possibly been done in the last quarter and a half of this crappy season with Skelton left in the game?

Simply for the fact that every second Skelton spends on the field helps him develope and gives us the opportunity to see what kind of QB he is. There was zero benefit from bringing in Bartel, unless you wanted to see an unprepared never has been throw a pick. I wanted to see Skelton finish the game, he sure finished strongly against the cowgirls, I know you enjoyed that.

 

[Snakester]

Skelton should have won this game and he played badly. He showed that he is not the QB of the future and is at best the number two next year. Really I would like to see him as the number three. Bartel should be released now. Nothing more to look at.

 

[kerouac9]

This was in the context of taking a high round QB and making nothing out of them. Stout is saying if we draft a #1 QB, Whis will kill him.

Anderson was crap to begin with. Skelton is raw and his future is TBD. Hall was nothing to begin with. Who cares about Bartel and Leinart wasnt mature enough to secure the starting job.

Those were all guys that Whis identified and believed could start at the NFL level. All reports were that Whis was absolutely in love with Max Hall's game. So what makes you think that this former TE coach can:

1) Identify a good/great quarterback
2) Develop one?

Did any of our quarterbacks get better under Ken Whisenhunt's tutelage? ANY of them? Kurt Warner was marginally better than he was with the Giants, but never approached the heights he had in St. Louis. Reports were that Warner was running his own offense his last two seasons here.

I'm not calling for the guy to be fired, but he's certainly squandered the benefit of the doubt that guys like you and Krang are giving him.

 

[bg7brd]

For all the guys jumping on Wiz, Skelton wasn't seeing many open WR's. Hey, the Oline looked like they were on vacation for much of the game but I can't blame his decision. Throw in the fact that Skelton has been less than stellar in any 1 game, plus it was the basically the last qurter of the season.

Wiz was the toast of the town & now he has totally forgot how to coach. He deserves some blame for this mess but players still must play & execute!!! I'm seeing alot of poor exectuion by the players.

I agree with you. Everyone has blamed Whiz, Graves, Grimm, the Bidwills, etc, but no one's saying anything about the players. I think EVERY player on the team has made a crucial blunder at one point during the season. I think everyone's had a hand in this mess, from the president down to the punter. Thankfully, this season is over and we can put it behind us.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I agree with you. Everyone has blamed Whiz, Graves, Grimm, the Bidwills, etc, but no one's saying anything about the players. I think EVERY player on the team has made a crucial blunder at one point during the season. I think everyone's had a hand in this mess, from the president down to the punter. Thankfully, this season is over and we can put it behind us. If this crap continues in to next year the crap will hit the fan

Finished it for you

 

[Evil Ash]

Skelton should have won this game and he played badly. He showed that he is not the QB of the future and is at best the number two next year. Really I would like to see him as the number three. Bartel should be released now. Nothing more to look at.

Yes it was obviously his fault that Levi Brown (and the rest of our Oline for that matter) was a turnstile the entire game and that our defense allowed a backup RB to crawl into the endzone. He had some things that were his fault but not nearly as many as some on here claim it to be.

Would I bet my season on him next year if there is one? No I still want competition from a vet and a rookie QB (who likely won't be taken in round 1)

 

[CtCardinals78]

I agree with you. Everyone has blamed Whiz, Graves, Grimm, the Bidwills, etc, but no one's saying anything about the players. I think EVERY player on the team has made a crucial blunder at one point during the season. I think everyone's had a hand in this mess, from the president down to the punter. Thankfully, this season is over and we can put it behind us.

These guys played with little effort and no heart a lot of of this season. At what point does that come back to coaching? Yeah, their execution sucked but it was also apparent that there were some major disconnects between the coaching and execution on gameday by the players. If they practiced well all week, how in the hell do they play that bad on gameday? The Seahawks are about to clinch this division with a 7-9 record. 7-9. This was the Cardinals division to lose this year and they pissed it away bigtime. I put more blame on Whiz and the FO than the players for that.

 

[Chopper0080]

Those were all guys that Whis identified and believed could start at the NFL level. All reports were that Whis was absolutely in love with Max Hall's game. So what makes you think that this former TE coach can:

1) Identify a good/great quarterback
2) Develop one?

Did any of our quarterbacks get better under Ken Whisenhunt's tutelage? ANY of them? Kurt Warner was marginally better than he was with the Giants, but never approached the heights he had in St. Louis. Reports were that Warner was running his own offense his last two seasons here.

I'm not calling for the guy to be fired, but he's certainly squandered the benefit of the doubt that guys like you and Krang are giving him.

Yeah, I would agree that the honeymoon is over for Whiz. He needs to make the changes necessary to improve as a head coach, first of which is letting go of the offense. He needs to bring in an offensive coordinator that he can trust to bring in a scheme that will make all parties happy, as well as a QB coach to develop our potentially young QB stable.

The same goes on the defensive side of the ball.

Whiz needs to step back from the more fun areas of the game (coordinating) and make sure that he focuses on the little things and that they are getting done.

 

[Evil Ash]

These guys played with little effort and no heart a lot of of this season. At what point does that come back to coaching? Yeah, their execution sucked but it was also apparent that there were some major disconnects between the coaching and execution on gameday by the players. If they practiced well all week, how in the hell do they play that bad on gameday? The Seahawks are about to clinch this division with a 7-9 record. 7-9. This was the Cardinals division to lose this year and they pissed it away bigtime. I put more blame on Whiz and the FO than the players for that.

and to add to the misery, the Cards record in the worst division in the history of the league: 1-5. Thats not a misprint folks.

 

[bg7brd]

These guys played with little effort and no heart a lot of of this season. At what point does that come back to coaching? Yeah, their execution sucked but it was also apparent that there were some major disconnects between the coaching and execution on gameday by the players. If they practiced well all week, how in the hell do they play that bad on gameday? The Seahawks are about to clinch this division with a 7-9 record. 7-9. This was the Cardinals division to lose this year and they pissed it away bigtime. I put more blame on Whiz and the FO than the players for that.

The players aren't little kids. They're professionals and playing with no heart is on them. If they are so weak minded that they have to be "motivated" to bring their best then we have a bigger problem than coaching.

 

[CtCardinals78]

The players aren't little kids. They're professionals and playing with no heart is on them. If they are so weak minded that they have to be "motivated" to bring their best then we have a bigger problem than coaching.

Then why do HC's need players to buy into their system in order to be successful? It can't be both ways. Whiz can't get up in his presser and tell everyone "We practiced well all week, it didn't translate to on the field and need to fix some things." How in the hell can he bench THT or Wells for fumbling and keep Fanaca and Brown out there whiff after whiff or Porter out there for missing tackles. It's possible that maybe players see some of the hypocrisy that fans are seeing and not buying into the system anymore. There is no way they are "practicing well" all week and then playing like that on Sunday and it's not somehow, someway a coaching problem.

 

[Duckjake]

This was in the context of taking a high round QB and making nothing out of them. Stout is saying if we draft a #1 QB, Whis will kill him.

Anderson was crap to begin with. Skelton is raw and his future is TBD. Hall was nothing to begin with. Who cares about Bartel and Leinart wasnt mature enough to secure the starting job.

OK I can agree with your first point because CKW hasn't had HIS own first round QB.

But when you have one guy who looks awful in relief of Warner in prior years and then 4 different guys who all make the same mistakes this year it has to be the coaching.

 

[Snakester]

Yes it was obviously his fault that Levi Brown (and the rest of our Oline for that matter) was a turnstile the entire game and that our defense allowed a backup RB to crawl into the endzone. He had some things that were his fault but not nearly as many as some on here claim it to be.

Would I bet my season on him next year if there is one? No I still want competition from a vet and a rookie QB (who likely won't be taken in round 1)

I like Skelton, but he should have showed alot more in this game than he did. I still have hope that he can be a solid number two for us, but I no longer think he is our QB of the future. At this point it's Andrew Luck or bust.

 

[Mitch]

Those were all guys that Whis identified and believed could start at the NFL level. All reports were that Whis was absolutely in love with Max Hall's game. So what makes you think that this former TE coach can:

1) Identify a good/great quarterback
2) Develop one?

Did any of our quarterbacks get better under Ken Whisenhunt's tutelage? ANY of them? Kurt Warner was marginally better than he was with the Giants, but never approached the heights he had in St. Louis. Reports were that Warner was running his own offense his last two seasons here.

I'm not calling for the guy to be fired, but he's certainly squandered the benefit of the doubt that guys like you and Krang are giving him.

This is spot-on. The truth.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

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Totally Hates you.

LOL. Love it.

He hates all of us.

 

[Mitch]

I like Skelton, but he should have showed alot more in this game than he did. I still have hope that he can be a solid number two for us, but I no longer think he is our QB of the future. At this point it's Andrew Luck or bust.

Gary, this kid, who hadn't taken snaps with the first team offense all year until 4 weeks ago was playing in his second road game versus a defense that got to him so fast so often...

The amazing thing about him to me is...he didn't ever get flustered.

In fact, when Takeo Spikes tried to take his head off, did you see the look he gave Spikes?

In addition, in this game, unlike last week's game, Skelton developed a good chemistry with Fitz...which provides a great deal of optimism for so many reasons...

I love the fact that this kid is tough...and Lord knows he will need to be playing for one of the most QB unfriendly coaches in the NFL.

To rule him out of the running at this point is just plain wrong. Sorry to say because you know I think the world of you and your opinions.

 

[Evil Ash]

I like Skelton, but he should have showed alot more in this game than he did. I still have hope that he can be a solid number two for us, but I no longer think he is our QB of the future. At this point it's Andrew Luck or bust.

A QB is just a part of the team. If the rest of the team doesn't do their jobs any QB would look bad. Remember how Warner looked against the Niners?

We had dropped passes again, an Oline to allow penetration almost every play,on one of the deep throws Roberts tripped himself, horrid playcalling yet again, and on and on and on. Blaming it on one person/position is the easy way out. Did he screw up? Oh yeah but thats also going to happen with a rookie.

Bradford had 4 turnovers in his first game and had a 3 game stretch recently where he had 0 TDs and 7 Ints as well as completing around 50% of his passes. Should the Rams think of getting rid of him too?

He's a rookie. He's going to make mistakes. Is he the QBOTF? I don't know but I think people here have standards set way too high for a rookie put into his position

If its Andrew Luck or bust, then its a bust because he's going back to school

 

[desertdawg]

Mitch, I have been nothing but impressed with Skelton. I agree, he could be a good QB, but that will probably be twice as hard under Whiz and the bench.

 

[Snakester]

Gary, this kid, who hadn't taken snaps with the first team offense all year until 4 weeks ago was playing in his second road game versus a defense that got to him so fast so often...

The amazing thing about him to me is...he didn't ever get flustered.

In fact, when Takeo Spikes tried to take his head off, did you see the look he gave Spikes?

In addition, in this game, unlike last week's game, Skelton developed a good chemistry with Fitz...which provides a great deal of optimism for so many reasons...

I love the fact that this kid is tough...and Lord knows he will need to be playing for one of the most QB unfriendly coaches in the NFL.

To rule him out of the running at this point is just plain wrong. Sorry to say because you know I think the world of you and your opinions.

Hi Walter, Don't get me wrong, I do like Skelton, but I expected more from him in this game. Maybe I'm being impatient , but I just thought Skelton missed too many throws. He may turn out to be a quality starter down the road ,but it's looking like it will take a few years for us to find out. I'm really worried that if we don't find a way to draft Andrew Luck , We will be a 5-11 team for the next decade.

If we had the sort of team that was good enough to carry a QB for a few years until he developed I might feel differently, but as you can see this team needs a QB that can carry the team.

 

[Mitch]

Mitch, I have been nothing but impressed with Skelton. I agree, he could be a good QB, but that will probably be twice as hard under Whiz and the bench.

Dawg...the noticable difference between DA, MH, Bartel and Skelton is the others got skitterish and visibly flustered.

Skelton never did.

That is HALF the battle with NFL QBs.

This is the reason why I don't like Bulger...he's a scaredy cat.

The toughest Cardinal QB ever?

Kurt Warner.

Tough as nails.

What Skelton needs now is to learn the nuances of the game.

And he needs a coach who will put his faith in him, one who will prep him well.

But, one of the major reasons why the Cardinals went 2-2 in his 4 starts is that because he didn't get flustered, he kept the team in the games.

For a rookie, I think that's extraordinary.

 

[Chopper0080]

Dawg...the noticable difference between DA, MH, Bartel and Skelton is the others got skitterish and visibly flustered.

Skelton never did.

That is HALF the battle with NFL QBs.

This is the reason why I don't like Bulger...he's a scaredy cat.

The toughest Cardinal QB ever?

Kurt Warner.

Tough as nails.

What Skelton needs now is to learn the nuances of the game.

And he needs a coach who will put his faith in him, one who will prep him well.

But, one of the major reasons why the Cardinals went 2-2 in his 4 starts is that because he didn't get flustered, he kept the team in the games.

For a rookie, I think that's extraordinary.

True, but I wouldn't bet the 2012 season on his growth.

 

[desertdawg]

Dawg...the noticable difference between DA, MH, Bartel and Skelton is the others got skitterish and visibly flustered.

Skelton never did.

That is HALF the battle with NFL QBs.

This is the reason why I don't like Bulger...he's a scaredy cat.

The toughest Cardinal QB ever?

Kurt Warner.

Tough as nails.

What Skelton needs now is to learn the nuances of the game.

And he needs a coach who will put his faith in him, one who will prep him well.

But, one of the major reasons why the Cardinals went 2-2 in his 4 starts is that because he didn't get flustered, he kept the team in the games.

For a rookie, I think that's extraordinary.

Yeah buddy, Skelton doesn't give up sacks easily, the turn over he had today was off a tipped pass. He is smart and like you said, he is tuff. I hope he has playing time next year because I do not think he is years away. Give him a season, he has already played as well as the other rookies drafted ahead of him, sorta.