Buckybird
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But Haskins is still the best QB is this draft class hands downMurray’s an athletic freak. Nfl defenses will never be able to contain him.
But Haskins is still the best QB is this draft class hands downMurray’s an athletic freak. Nfl defenses will never be able to contain him.
It is a trend. Trends tell you which way you are heading.Why compare this year's team's last 3 games to last year's team's average for the entire 16 games? The last 3 games have been against very strong defenses...San Francisco, L.A. Rams, and Pittsburg. For the year this year's team was averaging 332 yards per game compared to last year's average of 242 yards. This would be the more accurate compariston.
So you can take shots at Murray repeatedly & nobody can say anything negative about Haskins just because of where they were drafted? LolWhat does Haskins have to do with Murray?
Murray was the #1 pick in the draft.
He has had about 5 good performances this year (Cin, Atl, SFx2 and TB). The other 8 games were kind of scattered between bad to average (his overall performance against Detroit I would say was decent).Honestly: what are the ups? A quarter here and there?
I'm going around telling everyone how great he is!? When you find said post, please advise. With that said, I have been critical of him plenty this year... I wouldn't necessarily say that just because I support him, I can't make a discernment between good and bad play. But, I do believe, as has been said numerous times from many on this board over the season, that he has a great potential to take this team to higher levels.Since you Murray fanboys constantly tell everyone how great Murray is and is going to be then taking a little grief when he plays like **** is only fair.
I’m betting we could find many similar posts like this last year when it came to Josh Rosen.
That’s not a knock on you but people on here defend Murray like he’s their kid and he can do no wrong.
The difference is that Murray has actually shown some real upside this year and Rosen really didn't.
As to people vehemently defending Murray, I would guess you would see a lot less of it if there weren't so many on the complete opposite side of the spectrum that treat him like the red head stepchild that they never wanted.
Well it is a very skewed trend because it is not adjusting for level of competition and the defenses in our last 3 games are all very good.It is a trend. Trends tell you which way you are heading.
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But if he still had that “upside”, he would be starting in Miami right now.Yep.
Bzz, sorry, but your wording here really kills your argument. Rosen showed upside with a pair of 4th-quarter comeback wins. That's tangible "put the team on his shoulders" end of the game 2-minute heroics.
And yet his overall performance for the season was abysmal. Putting the team on your back on a couple of occasions (which Murray has done a couple times as well) is no where near enough to off set the overall poor performance that he had for the season.Yep.
Bzz, sorry, but your wording here really kills your argument. Rosen showed upside with a pair of 4th-quarter comeback wins. That's tangible "put the team on his shoulders" end of the game 2-minute heroics.
Murray needs to raise his game too with level of competition. That did not happen right?Well it is a very skewed trend because it is not adjusting for level of competition and the defenses in our last 3 games are all very good.
And yet his overall performance for the season was abysmal. Putting the team on your back on a couple of occasions (which Murray has done a couple times as well) is no where near enough to off set the overall poor performance that he had for the season.
But if he still had that “upside”, he would be starting in Miami right now.
Well the better the competition the more our lack of talent becomes evident. Our offensive line has been chewed up by good defensive fronts the last 2 games. He actually did play a good game against SF 3 weeks ago as well, but our defense couldn't get a stop. It's really just the last 2 weeks that the teams has struggles and both teams have good D-Lines.Murray needs to raise his game too with level of competition. That did not happen right?
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KM would have absolutely played better than Rosen in that same situation, but of course if my opinion holds no water than neither does your belief that he would have been just as bad.Put KM on that team and he'd have been as bad or worse. This holds no water.
You're going to blame him for not starting in that dumpster fire? The kid hasn't had a fair shake yet.
A journeyman in Ryan Fitzpatrick got that same roster to 3 wins in which the consensus painted that Dolphins team as one of the worst teams of all time heading into the season. If Rosen is this super highly touted prospect that people swear to God he is, he would’ve showed something. Outside of the first half against the Cowboys this year, he has showed nothing. Nothing. He wouldn’t have gotten benched otherwise.Put KM on that team and he'd have been as bad or worse. This holds no water.
You're going to blame him for not starting in that dumpster fire? The kid hasn't had a fair shake yet.
Everyone on Cardinals suck a little more except Murray when playing a better team is your argument?Well the better the competition the more our lack of talent becomes evident. Our offensive line has been chewed up by good defensive fronts the last 2 games. He actually did play a good game against SF 3 weeks ago as well, but our defense couldn't get a stop. It's really just the last 2 weeks that the teams has struggles and both teams have good D-Lines.
KM would have absolutely played better than Rosen in that same situation, but of course if my opinion holds no water than neither does your belief that he would have been just as bad.
As for Miami, they have actually been pretty competitive with Fitz starting instead of Rosen and that is not a good look for Rosen.
A journeyman in Ryan Fitzpatrick got that same roster to 3 wins in which the consensus painted that Dolphins team as one of the worst teams of all time heading into the season. If Rosen is this super highly touted prospect that people swear to God he is, he would’ve showed something. Outside of the first half against the Cowboys this year, he has showed nothing. Nothing. He wouldn’t have gotten benched otherwise.
I’m starting to think people like Rosen more than they should cause of his off the field personality because it doesn’t make a lot sense with his play on the field the past two years.
I am confused...is that post about Rosen or about Kyler Murray?I seem to remember more people were called idiots for wanting to move on from Rosen & go for Kyler.
Meanwhile giving Rosen a lot more room of excuses despite never really having a great game.
Take this thread for example: https://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/threads/rosen-is-trash.290746/page-6
Not sure where you drew that conclusion. Everyone is worse against better competition to include Murray, but part of that is the fact that Murray has less time to throw and receivers are generally less open against good defenses. That's why they are good defenses.Everyone on Cardinals suck a little more except Murray when playing a better team is your argument?
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Murray’s an athletic freak. Nfl defenses will never be able to contain him.
Kyler. I don’t remember the non Kyler section being berated compared to the Kyler section, at least leading up to the draft.I am confused...is that post about Rosen or about Kyler Murray?