La'el Collins will be stuck in the Green room

[BullheadCardFan]

incorrect. Regardless of performance a players second contract is influenced by where they were drafted. If he allows himself to be drafted in the fifth round vs even the second round next year...he will never make up for that financial loss.
the best thing he can do is clear his name completely then go to work with one of these o-line training facilities to keep his skills sharp and keep learning. He may still go in the first round next year.

Good input. Did not know that

Will they allow him to re-enter next year? I have read a post that claimed the NFL would not allow him to do that. But if he is cleared would that would make it ok?

 

[AZfaninMN]

incorrect. Regardless of performance a players second contract is influenced by where they were drafted. If he allows himself to be drafted in the fifth round vs even the second round next year...he will never make up for that financial loss.
the best thing he can do is clear his name completely then go to work with one of these o-line training facilities to keep his skills sharp and keep learning. He may still go in the first round next year.

How is that the case when someone like Richard Sherman who was a 5th round pick got paid almost as much as pp21 who was a first for both of their second contracts? If he plays at an all-pro level no matter where he is picked then his contract will be substantially higher.

 

[BigRedRage]

Good input. Did not know that

Will they allow him to re-enter next year? I have read a post that claimed the NFL would not allow him to do that. But if he is cleared would that would make it ok?

he has to be drafted this year to re enter next year. I say we draft him as Mr Irrelevant and if he is a murderer, we cut him. if he is innocent, we got the steal of the draft.

 

[AZfaninMN]

NO,.....what the NFL told him,...is they will not let him withdraw from THIS draft and enroll in the supplemental draft later this summer....he is stuck in this draft.....however, he is not obligated to sign a contract....and NFL regulations state clearly that any player who does not come to a contract agreement with the team that drafted them can then re-enter the next years draft.

they will not let him back out of this draft...that is all.

OOOOOOO my mistake I thought they said they wouldn't let him enter his name in next years draft no matter the outcome. I must have misinterpreted what they said.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

he has to be drafted this year to re enter next year. I say we draft him as Mr Irrelevant and if he is a murderer, we cut him. if he is innocent, we got the steal of the draft.

What if he refuses to sign with us? How does that work?

 

[AZfaninMN]

he has to be drafted this year to re enter next year. I say we draft him as Mr Irrelevant and if he is a murderer, we cut him. if he is innocent, we got the steal of the draft.

But if he doesn't sign with us then its a pointless pick.

 

[don7031]

His people are reporting that he passed a lie detector test so he could be losing millions of dollars as a victim of circumstance.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

OOOOOOO my mistake I thought they said they wouldn't let him enter his name in next years draft no matter the outcome. I must have misinterpreted what they said.

It must have been your post I was referring to.

 

[BigRedRage]

What if he refuses to sign with us? How does that work?

We dont get him and he goes into next years draft after sitting out an entire year and likely is a low rounder anyway because of that.

But if he doesn't sign with us then its a pointless pick.

this

 

[oaken1]

How is that the case when someone like Richard Sherman who was a 5th round pick got paid almost as much as pp21 who was a first for both of their second contracts? If he plays at an all-pro level no matter where he is picked then his contract will be substantially higher.

there are cases where a player comes out and just blows it away and they get mad paid regardless of where they are drafted. But those cases are not the norm...an average to decent/good player will never make up the financial loss from that big a slip in draft position unless they manage to get several new contracts at a high level of play.

 

[AZfaninMN]

there are cases where a player comes out and just blows it away and they get mad paid regardless of where they are drafted. But those cases are not the norm...an average to decent/good player will never make up the financial loss from that big a slip in draft position unless they manage to get several new contracts at a high level of play.

With his mean streak on the field and size he could have been a solid right tackle in the NFL and could have made a long 15 year career IMO ofc if he stays healthy and all other stuff like that, but I liked him before the whole investigation.

 

[Azlen]

Let's say that he gets completely cleared from the murder charges. He could then have a bunch of teams pursuing him as an UDFA. Couldn't he realistically get more money in that situation then if he was taken as a late round draft pick?

 

[BurqueCardFan]

Let's say that he gets completely cleared from the murder charges. He could then have a bunch of teams pursuing him as an UDFA. Couldn't he realistically get more money in that situation then if he was taken as a late round draft pick?

That's what I was thinking. I would have taken a late round flyer on him just to retain his rights til next year. Can't be worse than some of the picks we made

 

[Darkside]

Compelling yet ridiculous.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Bills, Dolphins courting La’el Collins

Via Ben Wallace of the New Orleans Advocate, the Bills and Dolphins have scheduled meetings with Collins. A league source tells PFT that Bills coach Rex Ryan has traveled to Baton Rouge to visit Collins. Ryan is particularly interested in converting Collins to guard.

Other teams remain on the fence about Collins, erring on the side of shying away from him until he receives unequivocal clearance. But as with any other player, 31 teams can shout “no”; it only takes one to whisper “yes.” With two teams in the AFC East interested, that “yes” could be a lot louder than that.

 

[bg7brd]

That's what I was thinking. I would have taken a late round flyer on him just to retain his rights til next year. Can't be worse than some of the picks we made

I could be completely wrong but I believe this is how it works: If he was drafted and refused to sign he could re enter the 2016 draft. That's why he told teams he wouldn't sign if taken after the 3rd round. Since he went undrafted he is not eligible for the 2016 draft and would need to be signed as an UFA. This money is slotted so he'll get roughly the same from any team. He does, however, have the choice now of which team he goes to and I'm sure he's looking for one where he's pretty much guaranteed to start. After 3 years he would become a RFA and if he's a good to great player he would receive a 1st or 2nd rd tender. This where he would make his money.

 

[juza76]

cfl then he can sign a contract ,sure better then maximum salary for UDFA which has a lenght of 3 years 500,000 for year
he also can get a compensation from nfl if he will be cleared

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

cfl then he can sign a contract ,sure better then maximum salary for UDFA which has a lenght of 3 years 500,000 for year
he also can get a compensation from nfl if he will be cleared

There's no reason to do that. He signs as UDFA and then becomes a free agent in 3 years in the NFL. His free agency clock would start later if he went to CFL first.

 

[slinslin]

Let's say that he gets completely cleared from the murder charges. He could then have a bunch of teams pursuing him as an UDFA. Couldn't he realistically get more money in that situation then if he was taken as a late round draft pick?

Murder charges?

By everything the police said he is is ''no more a person of interest than a neighbor would be.''

 

[Gandhi]

I could be completely wrong but I believe this is how it works: If he was drafted and refused to sign he could re enter the 2016 draft. That's why he told teams he wouldn't sign if taken after the 3rd round. Since he went undrafted he is not eligible for the 2016 draft and would need to be signed as an UFA. This money is slotted so he'll get roughly the same from any team. He does, however, have the choice now of which team he goes to and I'm sure he's looking for one where he's pretty much guaranteed to start. After 3 years he would become a RFA and if he's a good to great player he would receive a 1st or 2nd rd tender. This where he would make his money.

This is correct, other than he likely didn't tell teams anything. It was reported that his agent told teams he wouldn't sign if drafted below the third round. I'm not sure that is true but it's possible that it was simply a powerplay by his agent.

I have read that the Dolphins sends a team of former LSU-players to meet with Collins, and convince him they are the right team for him. If the Cardinals wants Collins, they could send a recruiting-team from LSU as well.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Murder charges?

By everything the police said he is is ''no more a person of interest than a neighbor would be.''

This young man got royally screwed. I hope he had a loss of value insurance policy.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

It was crazy not to draft him with a late round pick. If he wanted to not sign and re-enter next years draft, let him. He would be wasting a year, but at least we would have retained his rights until then. Now, he is free to sign wherever he chooses. If he is completely innocent, I feel bad for him but you have to be smart as an organization to take advantage of the situation as it is presented.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Report: La’El Collins in Dallas to visit Cowboys

Teams are prohibited from meeting with players who were eligible for the 2015 draft at their own residence or on campus until finals are completed. It’s why the Cowboys could not meet with Collins in Baton Rouge with finals currently taking place at LSU this week.

Now he’ll be forced to sign an undrafted free agent contact for minimum salaries and limited signing bonus available instead of a first-round contract with millions in guaranteed money due to horrible timing.

So teams can sign him at the low rate. We should be looking at him. Would be a shame if he was gift wrapped to a team like the Cowboys who already have a good Oline.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

Report: La’El Collins in Dallas to visit Cowboys


So teams can sign him at the low rate. We should be looking at him. Would be a shame if he was gift wrapped to a team like the Cowboys who already have a good Oline.

Exactly. Now he can pick and choose, go to the highest bidder. That's why I said a team should have used a late round pick on him and secure his rights til next year.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Exactly. Now he can pick and choose, go to the highest bidder. That's why I said a team should have used a late round pick on him and secure his rights til next year.

They would have secured his rights through to game 10 of the season, after which he'd be in the same situation as now.