Lakers trying to get Jason Kidd?

[Covert Rain]

I would love to see this happen.. Imagine the kind of dirt Jomanna could undercover in the lakers locker room! woohoo!

this has disaster written all over it..

As long as Jumanna Kidd doesn't accept any invitations to Kobe's "private locker" I think she is safe.

 

[D-Dogg]

i think you're missing his point (or at least the point that i find salient in this argument). i don't think he's arguing about a single blown call. i think he's arguing about the concept of officials swallowing their whistles come playoffs. that's essentially not enforcing the rules. and that does favor one team over the next. it favors the team that decides to break the rules (physical play is the best example - according to the rulebook the knicks of old would likely have fouled out for the remainder of their careers in half a season) and because the officials have decided to call the game that way, that team gets to break the rules with impunity. now you could say that as long as both teams get the benefit of whistle swallowing it's an even playing field. but that's not the case. not when one team is purposefully built to succeed in compliance with the rules while the other team takes advantage of poor, if consistent, officiating.

I don't believe that is his point, because if it were I'd agree with it to a point. That is something else, that is a problem overall.

However, my two biggest gripes are that refs also swallow their whistles late in games when a 1Q foul is no longer a foul. I think that is terrible for the game. And late whistles where refs watch to see if a shot goes in before calling the foul...if it is a foul, call it immediately. Not after the shot misses.

BUT, going back to my points, NBA teams and players are trained to understand this will happen, and to play through it anyway as it is the environment of the game. To mope about it or use poor officiating as an excuse doesn't address that the players failed to perform. Players know (unless they are D-Whistle, apparantly) that in the closing seconds of a game you aren't going to get the foul call unless you are bleeding and broken, and even then it's not for sure. So you see few attempts at driving to the hole to win games, and more jumpers. They adjust to the imperfections of the game.

 

[D-Dogg]

BTW, I like this discussion a ton more than discussing Jason Kidd.

 

[jenna2891]

However, my two biggest gripes are that refs also swallow their whistles late in games when a 1Q foul is no longer a foul. I think that is terrible for the game. And late whistles where refs watch to see if a shot goes in before calling the foul...if it is a foul, call it immediately. Not after the shot misses.

completely agree.

BUT, going back to my points, NBA teams and players are trained to understand this will happen, and to play through it anyway as it is the environment of the game. To mope about it or use poor officiating as an excuse doesn't address that the players failed to perform.

you seem to be arguing for a lack of a call, which is understandable to a point. a player shouldn't take a shot to get a foul, they should take it to make it.

but what about the instances when it's the overabundance of calls? refs can get foul happy, we've all seen it. i think it's a little ridiculous to assume a player should have to "adjust" his game when he wasn't doing anything in the first place.

 

[D-Dogg]

but what about the instances when it's the overabundance of calls? refs can get foul happy, we've all seen it. i think it's a little ridiculous to assume a player should have to "adjust" his game when he wasn't doing anything in the first place.

You still have to adjust. You see it all the time, a player asking a ref why he got called for something. Yeah, refs can get very foul happy and as a player you must adjust for that. Change your game up, guard more loosely lest you foul out. The coach should make adjustments and also talk to the ref and try to get them to back off. But nothing changes the fact that those are the circumstances the players have to play within. Adjustments have to be made and if you weren't doing anything in the first place, then do something different because the refs thought you were.

When I used to play there was a ref in our district that NEVER allowed a downward slap on the ball, even if it was ALL ball. You should always strike up from under on a ball anyway, but quite often you will try to strip it going downward...to him, that was always a foul. Those games, everyone knew you had to play a certain way lest you get tagged with fouls. It sucked, but that's the way it went. Players have far more power to adjust and negate poor officiating that people seem to give them credit for. NBA players are masters at their craft, and hell, half the time (especially as vets) they are fooling refs into making bad calls.

 

[Mulli]

NBA players are masters at their craft, and hell, half the time (especially as vets) they are fooling refs into making bad calls.

Have you ever seen Jake Tshockaleekus play?

 

[jenna2891]

NBA players are masters at their craft...

Why thank you, D-dogg, that's really sweet of you. Now, if you'll excuse me, those free throws aren't gonna airball themselves!

 

[D-Dogg]

touche, but you know what I mean.

 

[jenna2891]

touch me.

well that came outta left field.

 

[D-Dogg]

well that came outta left field.

one and the same, sister.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't believe that is his point, because if it were I'd agree with it to a point. That is something else, that is a problem overall.

However, my two biggest gripes are that refs also swallow their whistles late in games when a 1Q foul is no longer a foul. I think that is terrible for the game. And late whistles where refs watch to see if a shot goes in before calling the foul...if it is a foul, call it immediately. Not after the shot misses.

BUT, going back to my points, NBA teams and players are trained to understand this will happen, and to play through it anyway as it is the environment of the game. To mope about it or use poor officiating as an excuse doesn't address that the players failed to perform. Players know (unless they are D-Whistle, apparantly) that in the closing seconds of a game you aren't going to get the foul call unless you are bleeding and broken, and even then it's not for sure. So you see few attempts at driving to the hole to win games, and more jumpers. They adjust to the imperfections of the game.

i don't disagree with anything you said. and while i may complain about calls DURING a game or lament an egregious no-call/call after the game, i won't ever blame a loss on the officials. i agree with your contention that the players have it in their hands (usually) to dictate the outcome of games. to whine afterward smacks of fingerpointing and being sac-kings fan.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

one and the same, sister.

i love where this thread has gone . . . lol

 

[Renz]

I would love to see this happen.. Imagine the kind of dirt Jomanna could undercover in the lakers locker room! woohoo!

this has disaster written all over it..

Didn't Jason and Joumana file for divorce?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Didn't Jason and Joumana file for divorce?

yes. and you think that's gonna be quick and painless? i see the drama with the two of them getting worse before it gets much better.

 

[jenna2891]

yes. and you think that's gonna be quick and painless? i see the drama with the two of them getting worse before it gets much better.

poor t.j. kidd is going to spend many a night crying himself to sleep on his huge pillow.

 

[D-Dogg]

poor t.j. kidd is going to spend many a night crying himself to sleep on his huge pillow.

Each tear fills a gallon bucket.

 

[jenna2891]

Each tear fills a gallon bucket.

look at that thing, it's like sputnik.

 

[Mulli]

poor t.j. kidd is going to spend many a night crying himself to sleep on his huge pillow.

the thoughts that must go on that kid's planet, errr, head

 

[Mulli]

look at that thing, it's like sputnik.

You are gonna give the kid a complex.

 

[D-Dogg]

You are gonna give the kid a complex.

Whatever, he's a spoiled rich kid. Look, it's already gone to his head.

 

[Mulli]

Whatever, he's a spoiled rich kid. Look, it's already gone to his head.

from the same movie, So I married an Axe Murderer. Try to keep up sir.

 

[D-Dogg]

from the same movie, So I married an Axe Murderer. Try to keep up sir.

I couldn't come up with the axe murderer lines...it's been quite awhile. So I went the safe pun route instead of the IMDB route.


HEAD!

 

[Mulli]

I couldn't come up with the axe murderer lines...it's been quite awhile. So I went the safe pun route instead of the IMDB route.


HEAD!

HEAD, pants now!

 

[jenna2891]

it's like an orange on a toothpick.

 

[Mulli]

it's like an orange on a toothpick.

it has its own solar system