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Lakers trying to get Jason Kidd?
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How is SIMAAM at only 6.1 on IMDB? That's bullcrap.
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Why not? Mihm is expiring, Brown can't stay healthy, and the picks will be low. You're that high on Farmar?
I like Farmar, but I'm not in love with him. When healthy Brown and Mihm are serviceable big men, something the Lakers sorely lack right now. Add in Vlad Rad's injury which will keep him out the next 8 weeks, that leaves Bynum as really our only big. Both Lamar and Cook play like smaller guys. Luke Walton is still hurt. Kidd has been banged up with his back injury.
I guess I fear that the Lakers make this deal and either a) Kidd gets hurt or b) the Lakers continue to lose game by playing matador defense, losing 120-120 every night.
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Unless he's matched up against Marion, in which case he plays like Wilt Chamberlain....
Ha! True. Generally he plays like Lord Great Chamberlain.
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I am high on Farmar.
But I'm more concerned that Kidd is declining, aging and has injury issues of his own.
And Kwame would have to be moved for the salaries to work...and I think he is so underappreciated for what he does for this team. He's a great man defender on bigs...fantastic. Offense he brings is just gravy. I'm a lot less confident in the Lakers chances of playoff advancement without Kwame, even with Kidd. Kidd is a great player, but the specific quality of Kwame (defense on bigs) is something Kidd can't bring and something that becomes even more important in the playoffs and slow-down tempos.
I'm not terribly excited about Kidd coming in and losing both Kwame and Farmar.
But I'm more concerned that Kidd is declining, aging and has injury issues of his own.
And Kwame would have to be moved for the salaries to work...and I think he is so underappreciated for what he does for this team. He's a great man defender on bigs...fantastic. Offense he brings is just gravy. I'm a lot less confident in the Lakers chances of playoff advancement without Kwame, even with Kidd. Kidd is a great player, but the specific quality of Kwame (defense on bigs) is something Kidd can't bring and something that becomes even more important in the playoffs and slow-down tempos.
I'm not terribly excited about Kidd coming in and losing both Kwame and Farmar.
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I thought Mihm was out for the year, in which case he's as good as gone anyway. (The Lakers could try to sign him again next summer, but they can do that whether he's traded before then or not.)
Turiaf looks promising and Cook is at least credible at PF. So the difference is Brown, with his average of 46 games played over the last three seasons. I'd be surprised if the Lakers are all that hesitant to give him up.
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The one thing with Jordan is it appears his college form is holding true in the NBA as he appears to have "hit the wall?" His freshman year he really fell off as the season went on playing too many minutes. Last year as the season went on Howland used Collison a lot more to rest Farmar. Since he was playing on 2 bad ankles it was doubly important, but he still struggled down the stretch a bit, people remember the good game against Florida but forget how poorly he shot the whole tournament before that game.
Looks like a kid who just has trouble holding up over a whole season?
Maybe, but I do have high hopes for him. He shows flashes of brilliance. You make a good point about him hitting the wall...rookies do that anyway but yeah, that could be an issue with him. I think Jordan needs a good offseason workout program..like the 7 year one Kobe is on...to build his endurance.
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UCLA is really good at weight training, Jordan was MUCH skinnier when he came in and I'm sure that's helping him now but he almost has one of those frames that makes you wonder if he just is always going to be on the skinny side? He's such a smart kid and has great court sense. honestly his biggest weaknesses at UCLA were turnovers, defense, and shooting. I think he's improved on the first 2, the key to how far he goes as a player is his shot. He has good mechanics but he's not as good a shooter as he should be, still takes too many off balance shots.
Great kid though, I would have loved for him to stay at UCLA but the way Collison has stepped up I can't complain at all, created a lot of opportunity for Darren and Howland opened up the offense to take advantage of DC's quickness. Farmar played hurt all last year at UCLA, very competitive kid.
He's really competitive, I like his heart. He has leadership qualities, too. I hate to ship off a guy like him if it could be avoided...guys with that mentality are not a dime a dozen in this league. Plus, Howland is a great coach, and Phil as well, so Jordan has been getting some good training from some very good coaches.
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How does Mitch Kupchak still have a job?
Why wouldn't he?
Mitch has done better turning over this roster and locking up Kobe. Many organizations wouldnt have been able to pull it off.
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Getting two career underachievers with limited basketball IQ (you know, perfect triangle guys) in Lamar Odom and Kwame Brown for Shaq and getting zero impact players to play alongside Kobe in his prime either in draft, trade, or free agency are the two biggest strikes against him.
Man, you guys really are apologists. If my GM had turned an annual contender into an NBA also-ran thanks to poor trades, bad FA signings, and worse drafts I'd be pretty pissed off. I'm guessing Mitchw ill be asleep at the wheel again this deadline when it comes to J Kidd.
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Apparently latest rumor has removed Farmar from the deal and added Brian Cook.
"The rumor in detail is that LA will take the contract of Jason Collins along with Kidd in exchange for Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Aaron McKie, Brian Cook, Shammond Williams and Smush Parker. The argument is that LA has accepted taking Collins with the inclusion of Parker instead of Farmar. The Nets demanding Cook to offset the talent discrepancy as best possible."
"The rumor in detail is that LA will take the contract of Jason Collins along with Kidd in exchange for Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Aaron McKie, Brian Cook, Shammond Williams and Smush Parker. The argument is that LA has accepted taking Collins with the inclusion of Parker instead of Farmar. The Nets demanding Cook to offset the talent discrepancy as best possible."
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Why do the Lakers make this trade? Kidd can't shoot a jumper for anything, and you need a point guard who can hit the outside shot in the triangle.
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