Latest Roster Moves - Final 53

[Krangodnzr]

Chunks of easily replaceable plays. He is the epitome of average.

Average is being generous.

 

[WisconsinCard]

with youtube,...fans have access to more information than ever before. we wont know if a guy is nursing a secret injury,..or if maybe he likes to play with himself during team meetings... but we can see the tape....every snap a guy takes is available for evaluation these days...
I think sometimes the decisions are confounding when the talent on the field is obvious...also, when a GM decides to get a guy and he is apparently just hoping that the dude is gonna suddenly just stop being who he has always been....i.e.... Robert Nkemdiche

even on this board of "Know nothings' and "stupid people'... there was only a few guys who wanted Nkemdiche.....all of us idiots could clearly see who he was going to be in the nfl

and so far all us idiots have been correct.

there were dozens of WTF??!! reactions when we picked Brandon Williams...... and so far nobody has yet to figure out exactly wtf......because he still suxx...but they keep on giving him a roster spot...

there has to be some magical nfl level voodoo going on with some of those decisions

oh...and the kickers...damn

You tube video means nothing. You can't see the whole field or the play designes .How many are rushing the passer, who missed an assignment. You need to see the whole field and know the plays called to properly access the play. I laugh to no end when some people blame somebody for not covering a receiver just because they were the closest on to him when he caught it. It's just my pet pev. They may be right but probably are wrong unless it is just a man to man thing.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Another pev of mine is when people criticize for a three yard pass on a third and five. Look at the rush, look at the blocking . Sometimes you have to throw it early because the QB just didn't have the time. Or they look down field and there is nobody open . It happened last game, 6 man rush, 5 blockers. Glennon looked right and then down field and then dumped it off . It was that or take a sack.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Why? I never understood why a few of you say these types of thing about mitch or anyone posting their thoughts or opinions on something. He posted what he felt was a bad decision about penny, just like you probably posted about the bad decisions the cards made and yet he gets blasted for it. It's ok for you to post your opinions on something but not mitch? Makes zero sense to me.

Because it's how he does the response. It's how he takes personal attacks towards players and coaches on a psychological basis who he does not even know. His passion for the game is in the right place but he does not know or care about the boundaries of his understanding. He is educated and well versed in literature and history, and that serves as a cloak to make his personal attacks more acceptable to some but it's the same snake in the grass beneath the flowers. I understand he is a educator, can you say with a straight face the approach he offers towards players and coaches, he does not apply with the same fictitious authority to his students and more importantly the parents on his psychological assumptions he states as facts which is something one cannot help think about. He did not just post that article posing an opinion of Penny, he posted it as a indictment of coach Wilks before the man has even had a season to offer any viable critique of his character... he called Wilks a liar and a hypocrite in that article, with some flowery language which turns me off

 

[Cardiac]

Because it's how he does the response. It's how he takes personal attacks towards players and coaches on a psychological basis who he does not even know. His passion for the game is in the right place but he does not know or care about the boundaries of his understanding. He is educated and well versed in literature and history, and that serves as a cloak to make his personal attacks more acceptable to some but it's the same snake in the grass beneath the flowers. I understand he is a educator, can you say with a straight face the approach he offers towards players and coaches, he does not apply with the same fictitious authority to his students and more importantly the parents on his psychological assumptions he states as facts which is something one cannot help think about. He did not just post that article posing an opinion of Penny, he posted it as a indictment of coach Wilks before the man has even had a season to offer any viable critique of his character... he called Wilks a liar and a hypocrite in that article, with some flowery language which turns me off

And I thought Mitch had a way with words, very well done sir.

 

[Ronin]

Darren Urban‏Verified account@Cardschatter 10m10 minutes ago
Not that it is a surprise after where he played the final preseason game, but officially, UDFA rookie Zeke Turner is now listed as a linebacker, not a safety. Cardinals hope he can develop into another Deone Bucannon.

 

[wit3card]

Because it's how he does the response. It's how he takes personal attacks towards players and coaches on a psychological basis who he does not even know. His passion for the game is in the right place but he does not know or care about the boundaries of his understanding. He is educated and well versed in literature and history, and that serves as a cloak to make his personal attacks more acceptable to some but it's the same snake in the grass beneath the flowers. I understand he is a educator, can you say with a straight face the approach he offers towards players and coaches, he does not apply with the same fictitious authority to his students and more importantly the parents on his psychological assumptions he states as facts which is something one cannot help think about. He did not just post that article posing an opinion of Penny, he posted it as a indictment of coach Wilks before the man has even had a season to offer any viable critique of his character... he called Wilks a liar and a hypocrite in that article, with some flowery language which turns me off

That is because many smashed him here. And he himself can't accept critique or people that tell him that he is wrong. He wrote many, let it put me like it is, interesting things out there, but more often than not, they were highliy speculative and he sold them as truth.

 

[WisconsinCard]

That is because many smashed him here. And he himself can't accept critique or people that tell him that he is wrong. He wrote many, let it put me like it is, interesting things out there, but more often than not, they were highliy speculative and he sold them as truth.

Exactly he is a great story teller. He wrote fiction but tried to sell it in the nonfiction section. I loved reading his stories I felt like I was on a journey. But I understood that it's just that...a story.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

It's time for people to to re-learn the difference between a columnist and a journalist.

I enjoyed Mitch's thoughts and his creativity. He spent a lot of his free time contributing to this board and put himself out there much more than most of us. I only agreed with him half the time, but never got personal the way some did unrelentingly. The board was better with his posts.

 

[Gandhi]

Yes. Even if Williams never takes a defensive snap, he has more value on a football roster than a 2nd FB.

I’m pretty sure I am in the minority, but I believe that when evaluating players their abilities on special teams coverage-units matter, and you cannot simply assume that Brandon Williams will be a better special teams player than Elijah Penny. In my opinion, seeing them only as a cornerback and a fullback is problematic when judging their worth on a roster.

 

[PJ1]

Yes. Even if Williams never takes a defensive snap, he has more value on a football roster than a 2nd FB.

The contribution from Penny on special teams would be more valuable than Williams ever will be.

 

[cardncubfan]

The contribution from Penny on special teams would be more valuable than Williams ever will be.

How so when BWill is a gunner? You don't find speed on trees. I would say gunner is one of the more important special team positions.

 

[GuernseyCard]

It's time for people to to re-learn the difference between a columnist and a journalist.

I enjoyed Mitch's thoughts and his creativity. He spent a lot of his free time contributing to this board and put himself out there much more than most of us. I only agreed with him half the time, but never got personal the way some did unrelentingly. The board was better with his posts.

The problem was that Mitch didn't know or choose not to make the distinction between journalist and columnist .

 

[PJ1]

How so when BWill is a gunner? You don't find speed on trees. I would say gunner is one of the more important special team positions.

From what I have seen Penny is around the ball on special teams more than Williams. What plays has Williams made on special teams?

 

[BigRedRage]

Good thoughts on both sides of the argument. To me this is much ado about nothing now that Penny is signed to the practice squad.

While I often disagree with Mitch on his inane Patriots comparisons, I do agree that Penny earned a roster spot over the seemingly useless BWill. To hear the Cards talking heads describe Williams as a special teams demon is laughable. Just because you run down the field faster than everyone (and that’s debatable), I’ve not once seen him make an impactful play. Not last year and certainly not this preseason. When you factor in his negative value as a position player, it makes it even more glaring.

At least with Penny you garner similar special teams value with a potential goal line battering ram. Personally I would have preferred Penny, but the coaches and FO felt differently. What I don’t agree with is Mitch’s propensity to stretch the truth to fit his particular narrative. In this case suggesting the coach has all of a sudden gotten soft or lost his way because of a single roster decision is irresponsible journalism.

Why did he earn it over bwill? Penny is not going to play offense just like bwill isn't going to play defense. We have better fullbacks and better corners. The bottom of the roster is about special teams. Does penny bring more value on St than bwill? I don't think so. Not even close.

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[oaken1]

You tube video means nothing. You can't see the whole field or the play designes .How many are rushing the passer, who missed an assignment. You need to see the whole field and know the plays called to properly access the play. I laugh to no end when some people blame somebody for not covering a receiver just because they were the closest on to him when he caught it. It's just my pet pev. They may be right but probably are wrong unless it is just a man to man thing.

you sir are watching the wrong videos. Plenty of them show the whole field... but personally,...when evaluating a player...I prefer watching the one on one battles..you can see technique, footwork, leverage, burst, strength, game speed, team work, passion for the game..in some case how quickly they process information. you dont always have to know the assignment in order to see how well a guy plays the game of football..

 

[WisconsinCard]

you sir are watching the wrong videos. Plenty of them show the whole field... but personally,...when evaluating a player...I prefer watching the one on one battles..you can see technique, footwork, leverage, burst, strength, game speed, team work, passion for the game..in some case how quickly they process information. you dont always have to know the assignment in order to see how well a guy plays the game of football..

Every player drafted will pass the eye test on those videos Hell Nekemdiche looks like an all pro when you look at his college tape, or highlight videos. How in the heck can you measure passion on tape? You are talking about player evaluation, when I was more leaning towards roster construction, locker room presence, and football IQ. That is what Jaws was referring too when he spoke about "Joe fan".

 

[Chopper0080]

In terms of who is more replaceable on special teams, Brandon Williams or Penny...I would have to look. Personally, I am going to give Wilks the benefit on this one, and believe that what Penny was able to do on special teams was more replaceable vs what Williams was able to do.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

It's time for people to to re-learn the difference between a columnist and a journalist.

I enjoyed Mitch's thoughts and his creativity. He spent a lot of his free time contributing to this board and put himself out there much more than most of us. I only agreed with him half the time, but never got personal the way some did unrelentingly. The board was better with his posts.

Yeah, but it didn't matter.

I have been on this board for a while now, and Mitch has as much blame in his leaving this board as anyone who you feel attacked him.

I literally would write a response to his post 1 out of every 10 articles he wrote because, HEAVEN FORBID, I upset him, and he took his ball and went home.

I understand he "put a lot of work into his writing" and that is great. But, I do not remember when anyone asked him to do it. He chose to do it, and then guilt tripped people who dared defy his truths, because "all that hard work."

You post things, to post them. If you are doing it for attention, or an "atta boy" then I think that you have to check that ego at the door. Its a forum, and that is where he was writing his stuff. (Thus why him now blogging is better for both.)

I had him on ignore for 6 months, because I thought his "breakdown of the Patriots game" that he put on the Cardinals section of the board should have been somewhere else on the board, you know, where the "Other NFL teams" section is.

That was enough for him to flip out on me personally, and play the "well then I will take my ball and go home, and blame you for it, and let my board buddies yell at you for it".

So I just put him on ignore, and wouldn't you know it, 6 months later he was gone anyway. Why ? Who knows, and really who cares. Guy pulled the stunt all the time.

It got old, and in the end, it was ridiculous. Yet, water under the bridge, I say just let it go.

He is where he should be, blogging. Where critiquing his writing will be at a minimum.

As for the board missing out on his writing? It is literally two clicks of a button to take a link from where he writes now, onto this board, AND we actually get to talk about it, without the ridiculous threat of him being TOTALLY OUT.

Best of both worlds, and to be honest, I hope he is happier with his new situation. I never had anything against him personally, but he sure attacked people pretty harshly, and had pretty thin skin.

EDIT: I should add, he has wrote some REALLY good articles over at R.O.B. The one about Chandler Jones was awesome.

I personally enjoy the board more, now that he is gone, just for the sake of not having to walk on egg shells for someone, and taking away from the board so to speak.

I like ASFN, still like posting here, so I try to do whatever to make it the best place it can be.

 

[oaken1]

Yeah, but it didn't matter.

I have been on this board for a while now, and Mitch has as much blame in his leaving this board as anyone who you feel attacked him.

I literally would write a response to his post 1 out of every 10 articles he wrote because, HEAVEN FORBID, I upset him, and he took his ball and went home.

I understand he "put a lot of work into his writing" and that is great. But, I do not remember when anyone asked him to do it. He chose to do it, and then guilt tripped people who dared defy his truths, because "all that hard work."

You post things, to post them. If you are doing it for attention, or an "atta boy" then I think that you have to check that ego at the door. Its a forum, and that is where he was writing his stuff. (Thus why him now blogging is better for both.)

I had him on ignore for 6 months, because I thought his "breakdown of the Patriots game" that he put on the Cardinals section of the board should have been somewhere else on the board, you know, where the "Other NFL teams" section is.

That was enough for him to flip out on me personally, and play the "well then I will take my ball and go home, and blame you for it, and let my board buddies yell at you for it".

So I just put him on ignore, and wouldn't you know it, 6 months later he was gone anyway. Why ? Who knows, and really who cares. Guy pulled the stunt all the time.

It got old, and in the end, it was ridiculous. Yet, water under the bridge, I say just let it go.

He is where he should be, blogging. Where his critiquing is at a minimum, and it is literally two clicks of a button to take a link from where he writes now, onto this board.

AND we actually get to talk about it, without the ridiculous threat of him being TOTALLY OUT.

Best of both worlds, and to be honest, I hope he is happier with his new situation. I never had anything against him personally, but he sure attacked people pretty harshly, and had pretty thin skin.

I personally enjoy the board more, now that he is gone, just for the sake of not having to walk on egg shells for someone.

lol... on two separate occasions these mysterious brand new accounts showed up and cussed me out for giving mitch a hard time...lmao

 

[Chopper0080]

If you can't handle someone pointing out where you are wrong, a message board is not a good forum for you to post. Like most posters on this board, Mitch provided good and bad takes. His reaction to being called out on his bad takes is what makes this board a better place since he has left.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Lol.. at that

If you can't handle someone pointing out where you are wrong, a message board is not a good forum for you to post. Like most posters on this board, Mitch provided good and bad takes. His reaction to being called out on his bad takes is what makes this board a better place since he has left.

Lol at the whole, "well I'll just leave the board then" thing.. It's so hilarious.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

The problem was that Mitch didn't know or choose not to make the distinction between journalist and columnist .

I’d say it was obvious which of the two he was.

 

[GuernseyCard]

I’d say it was obvious which of the two he was.

Not to him.

 

[NJCardFan]

Lol.. at that


Lol at the whole, "well I'll just leave the board then" thing.. It's so hilarious.

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