Latest Somers article re; QBs.

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

...2) DA is a hasbeen .

Thanks for cheering me up!

 

[clif]

ugh. I think I need a break. This thing is growing a mind of its own. Along with a head two feet and some wings. Now its Fitz's fault? Next thing you know were going to be blaming Obama!

 

[Renz]

Any coach who lets his players' opinions dictate his roster wouldn't just be fired, he would never have become an NFL head coach in the first place.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

ugh. I think I need a break. This thing is growing a mind of its own. Along with a head two feet and some wings. Now its Fitz's fault? Next thing you know were going to be blaming Obama!

Well I gotta say its better then your explanation that Whisenhunt turned into an idiot overnight.

 

[kerouac9]

First, it's silly that the tag on this thread is "hitler." Give me a break, guys.

I wouldn't be surprised if neither one was on the roster in 2011 ( If Levi is an UFA next season?). Matt is going to earn too much money.

Brown isn't even worth what he's getting paid now. The Cards have too many decent lower paid players to keep mediocre highly paid players like Levi.

Heck Levi has been so bad USA Today doesn't even have him on their list for 2009 player salaries. I imagine he's been standing around trying to figure out how to find the pay window

I think Levi has two more years on his current deal. It won't accelerate until 2012, and then he'll probably be off the roster because no matter what Whis and Grimm say he's not very good. It'll be an embarrassment, but at least the guy we passed Adrian Peterson for will be gone.

I think that the Cards moved Brown to LT for the same reason that the Cards moved Leonard Davis to LT when Denny Green came to town: You're the highest paid player on our line, you're paid like a left tackle, now you have to earn that salary.

Ummmm lets just quit dancing around it and bring it to light......

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This is Wiz taking the bullet for #11 who has bucoo leverage with a pending opt out (and no tag) coming up.

All the signs are there. No Twitter pronouncement backing ML. Cris Carter alluding to it. Fitz getting hurt in the first game.

I have said it a few times now, and even though its speculation on my part, you have to think if Larry WANTED ML (and that would make sense with them having four years of familiarity and ML knowing the offense) - well this wouldn't be going down like this.

And I believe the WR "choosing" you are referring too is Fitz aligning with Warner (who throws deep) and Boldin somewhat siding with Matt (possession WR).......

BIM: beaucoup

It was interesting that Darren Urban mentioned Larry Fitzgerald having input in this decision, as well.

I think that in some ways this is a "devil you know/the devil you don't" situation. Fitz has had some good, good games with Leinart at he helm (11/172 against Minny his rookie year, for example), but I think that Fitz sees Derek Anderson as a guy who can get him the ball in those jump ball situations. Someone that I was listening to said that Larry's knee might start to feel better quicker if Anderson was the quarterback.

Either way, this process is making me physically ill. I hope that they just put Leinart out of his misery with the first cuts if that's how it's going to go down. It looked like Breaston and Doucet had good chemistry with Leinart this preseason, so I don't know what to think.

 

[Rats]

Its even simpler then that. Wiz wants to give ML a chance, but doesn't have much faith in him and is pretty blase about Matt's prospects.

Then a team leader and cornerstone says "Hey coach - we aren't going to win with this guy and hes going to get me hurt"....well then you see how this may go down.

Its not about the inmates running the asylum. Its about a guy that you look at as a stop gap QB who you didn't draft, alienating your best player.

Not a lot of coaches blink in that situation. They ALL blink.

I really hope this is not the case. I would lose respect for Fitz and any player or coach that was involved in it. I have always felt it was more of a money thing and that would be front office but if it is this it would really suck as bad as it can get.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Any coach who lets his players' opinions dictate his roster wouldn't just be fired, he would never have become an NFL head coach in the first place.

OMG do you all live in this world of absolutes? Do you not see how if THE BEST PLAYER ON YOUR TEAM DOESN'T WANT A SCRUB QB THAT AS THE HC YOU DON'T MUCH BUY INTO EITHER THAT COULD WEIGH INTO YOUR DECISION?

Jesus. Even if its inferred rather then overt, maybe Wiz see's DA's big arm and thinks "Well I need to get my best player the ball so......." thats allowing one player (and your best one) guide who ends up starting.

Thats not only not fireable in todays NFL - its common place.

 

[conraddobler]

Meh it's a message board, what good would it be if we can't speculate

No one knows the truth except a few key people and while they are talking they aint saying anything.

IMO it's pretty obvious someone could intervene on behalf of Matt if they really wanted to, their silence on the issue speaks volumes.

Just follow the dots, who's NOT going to the mat for Matt?

Wouldn't you if you wanted him and you were a big cheese on the roster?

Or would you just let him sink under the waves without saying boo if you wanted him gone?

 

[wilycoyote24]

OMG do you all live in this world of absolutes? Do you not see how if THE BEST PLAYER ON YOUR TEAM DOESN'T WANT A SCRUB QB THAT AS THE HC YOU DON'T MUCH BUY INTO EITHER THAT COULD WEIGH INTO YOUR DECISION?

Jesus. Even if its inferred rather then overt, maybe Wiz see's DA's big arm and thinks "Well I need to get my best player the ball so......." thats allowing one player (and your best one) guide who ends up starting.

Thats not only not fireable in todays NFL - its common place.

Picking a starter based on the skills of your team is very different from picking one because a player demanded it.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

IMO it's pretty obvious someone could intervene on behalf of Matt if they really wanted to, their silence on the issue speaks volumes.

This.

After 4 years you would think ML would have a few more supporters then say, Derek freaking Anderson who has been here like 4 months, eh?

Anyone who thinks there is not A TON more to this then face value is kidding themselves. This wasn't a HC decision. It's an organizational decision.

KW is just the one that takes the bullets......

 

[earthsci]

First, it's silly that the tag on this thread is "hitler."

OMG. It's Godwin's Law.

It's a joke from the P & R board. Not really about Whiz.

 

[kerouac9]

I really hope this is not the case. I would lose respect for Fitz and any player or coach that was involved in it. I have always felt it was more of a money thing and that would be front office but if it is this it would really suck as bad as it can get.

The front office probably wants Leinart to play in the worst way. They've sunk some $30 million into Leinart over these last four seasons and they've gotten 29 games total and fewer than 15 starts from him? They're essentially tossing an investment just as it may be starting to mature.

If Leinart ended up being good, the one year, $10.5 million contract that he'd earn for next year would be a bargain. If he ended up being average, he'd be a little overpaid, but not massively so.

 

[conraddobler]

Been making this point for days and days now... ask Duck and our Canuck friend.

Ah, that's what you meant.

I am dense sometimes.

I thought you meant Matt did something bad but if that's what you meant I see what you meant.... lol

 

[82CardsGrad]

Ah, that's what you meant.

I am dense sometimes.

I thought you meant Matt did something bad but if that's what you meant I see what you meant.... lol

Thought I was being pretty clear... oh well. Urban's comments only cement my belief, that while in the end this is Whiz's call, that he did speak with a few key players and those players clearly stated their lack of trust, faith and confidence in Matty. I'm going with this until proven otherwise.

 

[conraddobler]

Picking a starter based on the skills of your team is very different from picking one because a player demanded it.

Who says they demanded it?

Failure to support someone is enough if it's the right guy, it dosen't even have to be said out loud.

In fact if it's not it kinda dances around your entire issue on a technicality, they never said it, you just figured it out, problem solved.

 

[clif]

Well I gotta say its better then your explanation that Whisenhunt turned into an idiot overnight.

Yeah because that's exactly what I said.

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that it was not Fitz. He and Matt have always had a good relationship and I have never seen Matt hang Fitz out to dry. Yes I'm including the play that Fitz got hurt on.

Also how does Fitz wanting Warner to play have anything to do with Matt. Who wouldn't have wanted Warner to come back after taking the team to the Bowl. Plus Warner and Fitz were good friends.

 

[conraddobler]

Thought I was being pretty clear... oh well. Urban's comments only cement my belief, that while in the end this is Whiz's call, that he did speak with a few key players and those players clearly stated their lack of trust, faith and confidence in Matty. I'm going with this until proven otherwise.

I know you might be shocked at this but it's possible I was so busy disagreeing with you I didn't finish reading what you wrote, I do that sometimes.

 

[conraddobler]

OMG. It's Godwin's Law.

It's a joke from the P & R board. Not really about Whiz.

LOL, I can't believe someone did that, too funny.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Picking a starter based on the skills of your team is very different from picking one because a player demanded it.

Listen man my point is whether it was inferred or overt - Larry Fitzgerald was part of this decision. I firmly believe it. And he should. He's a team captain and our best player. This is the guy that throws him the ball.

I'm good but not good enough to have a tap into Wiz's offices and hear his and Larrys conversations.You do know they are pretty tight though, right?

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[earthsci]

LOL, I can't believe someone did that, too funny.

Your post was too awesome to ignore.

 

[clif]

What I would like to know is how some of you guys have come to the conclusion that Matt can't get the ball to Fitz? We know his arm isn't as strong as DA's but to say he can't throw long is crap. Urban mentioned him throwing a beautiful 45 yard bomb to Fitz in practice a few weeks back (which coincidentally Whiz waved off to "see how Matt responded." Which he "liked what he saw" )

Also how can Fitz be in any more danger of getting hurt with Matt as opposed to DA? Did anyone notice the high passes last night? How about the one that he threw to Williams that got him crushed? Or the one behind him? Or the high and outside one to THT?

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Listen man my point is whether it was inferred or overt - Larry Fitzgerald was part of this decision. I firmly believe it. And he should. He's a team captain and our best player. This is the guy that throws him the ball.

I'm good but not good enough to have a tap into Wiz's offices and hear his and Larrys conversations.You do know they are pretty tight though, right?

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From Urban:

Arguably, the guy with the biggest stake in the quarterback position is Pro Bowl wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald. His thoughts on the QB controversy/competition? Fitz told this to ace beat man Kent Somers:

“I’m just a hired hand, man. I’m just a pawn on the chess board.”
Something tells me Fitz has his opinions

 

[D-Dogg]

Urban mentioned him throwing a beautiful 45 yard bomb to Fitz in practice a few weeks back (which coincidentally Whiz waved off to "see how Matt responded." Which he "liked what he saw" )

That was to williams, not 11.

 

[FightOnCards]

After reading tons of posts in support of Matt Leinart as opposed to Derek Anderson, I am starting to wonder if maybe Whis is even cannier than anyone gives him credit for and pulled this stunt to spark some fan support for Leinart. In a weird way it makes as much sense as any of the other explanations - money, ego, other players, Denny Green's guy, intangibles, etc.

 

[clif]

That was to williams, not 11.

your're right but point was that matt can get the ball deep.