Leinart or Warner

[dogpoo32]

Every player needs to prove theirself no matter how old they are. I do agree where you were going with that tho.

If he were 27 and had the kind of season he had last year, there is no doubt he would be worth more. With younger players, its easier to pay for past performance, knowing they have years of potential left.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

If he were 27 and had the kind of season he had last year, there is no doubt he would be worth more. With younger players, its easier to pay for past performance, knowing they have years of potential left.

Agreed! You are just echoing statements I've already made tho.

 

[dogpoo32]

Agreed! You are just echoing statements I've already made tho.

Man! I don't have time to read all the previous posts! Ha! Sorry.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Man! I don't have time to read all the previous posts! Ha! Sorry.

No problem, but I have said all along that $10M per year and 2 years for $20M is very fair tho!

:daps:

 

[D-Dogg]

If he were 27 and had the kind of season he had last year, there is no doubt he would be worth more. With younger players, its easier to pay for past performance, knowing they have years of potential left.

If Kurt were 27 years old, I'd make him the highest paid player in league history and not even blink.

 

[moklerman]

If he were 27 and had the kind of season he had last year, there is no doubt he would be worth more. With younger players, its easier to pay for past performance, knowing they have years of potential left.

But we're not talking about a long term deal or a high risk proposition in terms of his short contract. If the Cardinals are going to be afraid to take a chance on Warner at this stage, with so much in place, with so much recent success on a short term deal then they should just go back to the way they were before. I agree that it would suck if Warner got hurt or just lost it all in the course of one offseason but that's a gigantic "if" and the Cardinals would only be on the hook for whatever guaranteed money he was getting. They have the cap space this year and next year is uncapped at this point not to mention the cap going up if the labor deal is settled.

If Kurt were 27 years old, I'd make him the highest paid player in league history and not even blink.

And it would be a 6 year deal that would be re-structured after 3 years and the circumstances just don't correlate. What he's going to make on a short term contract for production that both he and the team expect him to play out is far different than the phantom deals that look good on paper but everyone knows won't be fulfilled.

 

[Stout]

But we're not talking about a long term deal or a high risk proposition in terms of his short contract. If the Cardinals are going to be afraid to take a chance on Warner at this stage, with so much in place, with so much recent success on a short term deal then they should just go back to the way they were before. I agree that it would suck if Warner got hurt or just lost it all in the course of one offseason but that's a gigantic "if" and the Cardinals would only be on the hook for whatever guaranteed money he was getting. They have the cap space this year and next year is uncapped at this point not to mention the cap going up if the labor deal is settled.
And it would be a 6 year deal that would be re-structured after 3 years and the circumstances just don't correlate. What he's going to make on a short term contract for production that both he and the team expect him to play out is far different than the phantom deals that look good on paper but everyone knows won't be fulfilled.

Big problem here: 2 years and not 1. I think if he was demanding this ludicrous sum of money for an old QB for only ONE season, a lot less of us would be upset about it. One huge contract for one season for a very old but still potentially effective QB isn't as big of a deal. Having a huge contract for TWO seasons for the same, though, would just be stupid. It's not worth the risk to give him the amount of money he wants, guaranteed, for two seasons. You can keep stumping for it for all you're worth, but it won't change the fact that it isn't likely he'll repeat the season he had two more years in a row. And, for the kind of money he wants, he damned sure better perform at the same level, if not better than he played before.

Two years, big but not huge money. He's not getting 29 million for two years with a ton of guaranteed money. Not from us, not from anyone sane.

 

[moklerman]

Two years, big but not huge money. He's not getting 29 million for two years with a ton of guaranteed money. Not from us, not from anyone sane.

And no one thinks he's going to play the 2nd year regardless of how it's set up so it's all about the guaranteed money. Which will be spread over the two years so it isn't as bad of a hit to the cap in '09 and as it stands, it wouldn't even matter in '10 since there isn't a cap.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

And no one thinks he's going to play the 2nd year regardless of how it's set up so it's all about the guaranteed money. Which will be spread over the two years so it isn't as bad of a hit to the cap in '09 and as it stands, it wouldn't even matter in '10 since there isn't a cap.

I do!

 

[JS22]

Leinart.

I would be ok with Warner at 7.5M or less. That is what Kerry Collins just got.

You have got to be kidding me. Warner led the Cardinals to the superbowl. You are comparing him to Kerry Collins? Warner is twice the player Collins is.

 

[JS22]

Why redo people who are under contract before free agency? Talk about handcuffing yourself. You act like its all over. Kurt can go fly a kite for all I care, but ffs... Its 1 day into free agency...

It's called locking players up before they hit the market. Or, rewarding players who have done well with a new contract. Most organizations do this.

 

[WildBB]

Warner for one more year.

 

[JS22]

One more thing. It will be a freaking PR nightmare if the Cardinals let Warner walk over 1-2 million a year. Most fans aren't as hardcore as the fans that post here. So losing the QB that just led you to the Superbowl, and is a fan favorite, would be a disaster. The Cardinals will be looked at as cheap by most people. PR nightmare. Pretty sure Warner and his agent know this.

 

[Feeble Mcjackson]

Warner for $8-$10 million.

Leinart otherwise. I expect Leinart to see the field a lot in '09 regardless...

Backup would be a FA journeyman somebody who definitely WON'T cost us $14 million.

you are correct sir!

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Am I the only one that liked seeing Leinart throw some warmup passes in Tampa before the game? He was airing it out pretty nicely. And who can forget the bomb to Fitz for our only TD against the Pats? I'd love to see what he can do for us.

IMHO, Kurt is being greedy and I hope the Niners throw cash at him and we do not match it.

 

[clif]

Am I the only one that liked seeing Leinart throw some warmup passes in Tampa before the game? He was airing it out pretty nicely. And who can forget the bomb to Fitz for our only TD against the Pats? I'd love to see what he can do for us.

IMHO, Kurt is being greedy and I hope the Niners throw cash at him and we do not match it.

No, you're certainly not the only one. IMO it is time to cut bait and move on.

 

[Skkorpion]

Am I the only one that liked seeing Leinart throw some warmup passes in Tampa before the game? He was airing it out pretty nicely. And who can forget the bomb to Fitz for our only TD against the Pats? I'd love to see what he can do for us.

IMHO, Kurt is being greedy and I hope the Niners throw cash at him and we do not match it.

I've never been a believer but I saw those glimpses and believe Whisenhunt when he said Leinart is working hard and improving. As I posted umpteen times the last month, let's go with Leinart and see what we've got.

 

[moklerman]

Yeah, all this success and the Super Bowl appearance is getting old. I just have to find out what Leinart can do his third time around as a starter. He's a completely different player than the was waaaaaaaay back at the start of the '08 season.

Heck, he only had 4 interceptions and 4 fumbles in his 75 preseason/mop-up game pass attempts. Shoot, he can put up nearly an 80 rating vs. some of the best bouncers, bartenders and insurance salesmen around.

What are we waitin' for?

 

[Stout]

Yeah, all this success and the Super Bowl appearance is getting old. I just have to find out what Leinart can do his third time around as a starter. He's a completely different player than the was waaaaaaaay back at the start of the '08 season.

Heck, he only had 4 interceptions and 4 fumbles in his 75 preseason/mop-up game pass attempts. Shoot, he can put up nearly an 80 rating vs. some of the best bouncers, bartenders and insurance salesmen around.

What are we waitin' for?

So, I wonder how that #13 49ers jersey will look on you. Will you try to sell your #13 Cards jersey if that happens, or will you take it to the salvation army?