Leinart talks about not starting

[DemsMyBoys]

Stop the whimpering and get your, "A** IN GEAR", and win the JOB!

I agree.

Leinart: "If it is an open competition, then let's have it that way fom the start, if that is what it is."

I've read this 10 times and listened to the sound clip twice. IF it's an open competition? IF??? I'm a fan not a player and I ASSUMED it wold be a competition. It's WHIZ for pity's sake. Matt! There's a precident here.

He needed to go into the first practice up at Flag like he was in a competition. And since, it appears, that wasn't his mind set...

Now's the time to start, Matt! Get mad, dang it! PROVE to Whiz you should be "the guy" on Opening Day!

 

[Cardiac]

This is a good point, and a strong hint that Leinart will still be the opening day starter. Whiz simply doesn't pull dirty tricks on players; if it was a completely open competition, he definitely would have told Leinart.

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...Cards-QB/a1d7db77-4487-4f50-bf21-34c24e2f43f0

Splitting hairs, competition versus completely open competition. I agree Whis doesn't pull dirty tricks and if ML doesn't understand competition is, well competition then it's his mistake.

Found another article as well.

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...-The-Guy/2135a249-2192-46aa-859c-8f6c3362e23c

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

everything that i've seen and heard from matt leads me to believe he's a wuss. i hope i'm proven wrong. i was his #1 fan when we drafted. that slot's been vacated this preseason. in a big way.

 

[desertrat218]

The dude is clearly angry that he has had a completely negative (yardage) running game and about a 1 second window to throw the ball behind the garbage pass pro he's gotten. He's angry that the blame is all going to him, and he's 100 percent right. What impresses me is that, even though he's fired up and wanting to point fingers, he doesn't call anyone or any of our units out. I like the interview.

That is important for leadership qualities.

 

[freebyrd]

told ya something was up with matt and that interview on the sideline told more of the story than you all were willing to listen too

especially anderson making that face behind matt like something smelled bad

 

[D-Dogg]

especially anderson making that face behind matt like something smelled bad

LOL, still irrelevant.

 

[Cardiac]

told ya something was up with matt and that interview on the sideline told more of the story than you all were willing to listen too

especially anderson making that face behind matt like something smelled bad

Or, DD and DA are professionals who realized this would be seen by ML at some point and time and they weren't making fun of him. DA makes faces at ML because he knows he is going to be the starter, rather immature don't you think?

 

[D-Dogg]

everything that i've seen and heard from matt leads me to believe he's a wuss. i hope i'm proven wrong. i was his #1 fan when we drafted. that slot's been vacated this preseason. in a big way.

Gotta agree there man. Where's the guy who beat the Irish by himself with ballsy calls?

Dude has looked scared to rock the boat for awhile now. Rock that thing! This coaching staff seems to like boatrockers, not paddlers.

:coach:

 

[ajcardfan]

Good for Leinart.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Definitely a player's Coach.

Been there, done that... and don't BS me.

I think Wiz is a players coach who challenges his players to be the best they can be. His winning record & where this team has come from earns him respect fans, players & media. Sure we as fans don't know what kind of relationship the 2 have but to think Wiz has been fair in his approach to Leinart in the preseason is ridiculous. I know winning is the bottom line, but at some point a HC has to step back & look at every situation on his team & look at the present & the future, which it appears he has done except for Matt Leinart. Is he the QB of the future? Doesn't appear that way to the HC, but to have a top ten pick that has shown glimpses of good play not be given a chance is just plain ignorant. Maybe he doesn't fit the system, maybe he can't play at all but we as fans & the coaches will never know until he is given games to test his abilities, not a game here, a series here, 2 starts there but games. How many other early 1st rd QB's recently have been given just 17 starts to evauluate their NFL career? If I'm Wiz I ride the entire season out with #7 to fully evaluate him given what is ahead in 2011. I trust the HC but it sure is fishy that he didn't get along with another highly picked QB in Pittsburgh & that turned out pretty good on the field. But sometimes...a change of scenry does a player good because it's quite obvious Leinart won't get that shot in AZ.

So you think Whiz is "ignorant"?? Yet, at the same time you believe he's a players coach?
I just don't get this line of thinking... I've seen you and plenty others bashing Whiz over Matty, while you guys have been consistently praising Whiz during his tenure here. Nobody is beyond reproach and certainly Whiz is not God. He has his flaws. However, if you want to attack the guy for his playcalling mistakes, or his questionable selections in the draft or Free Agents, fine. But, a coach who comes with the pedigree of Whiz... Who's been in the trenches as a player. Who has been around a great deal of success his entire coaching career. And who is universally viewed as a great players coach - a guy the players can relate to and one who works hard at relating and connecting with his players - to now call him "ignorant" and claim that he is being "unfair" in his treatment toward Matty seems very inconsistent to me.
Matty was given years to show Whiz what's under his hood. For reasons that Whiz (and I suspect many players as well) knows, Matty has yet to rise to the occasion. Sure, you guys point to stats as if that's all that matters. And then there are plenty on the other side who toss out more stats that counter the good stats you toss out. Yet, I contend Whiz (and I suspect many players as well), are far less concerned about stats, and much more concerned about what is going on between Matty's ears. He has simply not shown himself to be a trusted leader and solid field-general, and a guy players can look up to. Somehow, he has not been able to earn the respect a QB must have from coaches and fellow teammates.
Put the stupid stats aside. There is a TON more to being a QB than completion % and other numbers. It seems very clear that Matty hasn't done nearly enough in the non-stat category and for me, I hail Whiz for holding Matty accountable. Great move! Go Whiz!!!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

LOL, still irrelevant.

Unbelievably so.

 

[D-Dogg]

Whis isn't a players' coach - which is a good thing. If he were a player's coach, he'd treat Matt more like Carroll advised. He most certainly isn't a players' coach; he's a guy who makes you work tirelessly and rewards hard work and results, and not immediately either.

It is why he's successful, IMO. He's no-BS. "Players' coaches" are usually not all that successful.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

So you think Whiz is "ignorant"?? Yet, at the same time you believe he's a players coach?
I just don't get this line of thinking... I've seen you and plenty others bashing Whiz over Matty, while you guys have been consistently praising Whiz during his tenure here. Nobody is beyond reproach and certainly Whiz is not God. He has his flaws. However, if you want to attack the guy for his playcalling mistakes, or his questionable selections in the draft or Free Agents, fine. But, a coach who comes with the pedigree of Whiz... Who's been in the trenches as a player. Who has been around a great deal of success his entire coaching career. And who is universally viewed as a great players coach - a guy the players can relate to and one who works hard at relating and connecting with his players - to now call him "ignorant" and claim that he is being "unfair" in his treatment toward Matty seems very inconsistent to me.
Matty was given years to show Whiz what's under his hood. For reasons that Whiz (and I suspect many players as well) knows, Matty has yet to rise to the occasion. Sure, you guys point to stats as if that's all that matters. And then there are plenty on the other side who toss out more stats that counter the good stats you toss out. Yet, I contend Whiz (and I suspect many players as well), are far less concerned about stats, and much more concerned about what is going on between Matty's ears. He has simply not shown himself to be a trusted leader and solid field-general, and a guy players can look up to. Somehow, he has not been able to earn the respect a QB must have from coaches and fellow teammates.
Put the stupid stats aside. There is a TON more to being a QB than completion % and other numbers. It seems very clear that Matty hasn't done nearly enough in the non-stat category and for me, I hail Whiz for holding Matty accountable. Great move! Go Whiz!!!

Why is my quote part of your response?

 

[THESMEL]

well

Matt must feel like long time AZ cardinal fans. He's wrestled with more ghosts than most!

Matt is making a great leadership statement by what is not said. MATT IS NOT KURT WARNER! Matt is cool under pressure and Kurt followed interceptions with fumbles and more interceptions when things went bad. Kurt also followed great receptions with elite passes in bunches.

Matt can't be sucked into this manufactured drama. ESPN set up our QB took great pride in Suzy Colberts nut kicking interview on MNF. Chris Carter lead the entire country against OUR QUARTERBACK. Because Matt said he didn't care what Carter said. respected him as a player but Chris Carter opinion is irrelevent to the 2010 AZ Cardinals!

Matt is trapped, his performance of a 90+ qB rating without a first down was fantastic. but if He says the oline played bad, he's trapped, THT lossed yardage every attempt He's trappped,WR never passed the yard to gain hes trapped. Coach Mike Miller, Russ Grimm or Whisenhunt is wrong about anything and he's trapped.

So ESPN set out to murder our starting QB on MNF and whis hands them the gun, on 3rd and 1! yea what away to build momentum, to see how Matt responds. Whiz will respond with a team that is not ready for prime time again if he keeps this up.

That is important for leadership qualities.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Whis isn't a players' coach - which is a good thing. If he were a player's coach, he'd treat Matt more like Carroll advised. He most certainly isn't a players' coach; he's a guy who makes you work tirelessly and rewards hard work and results, and not immediately either.

It is why he's successful, IMO. He's no-BS. "Players' coaches" are usually not all that successful.

To me, a player's coach, (and I've got a decade of experience on this issue) is one who intimately understands what player's go through; not a coddler.

He is - as I said earlier - a "been there, done that... and don't try to BS me". type of leader.

 

[Buckybird]

So you think Whiz is "ignorant"?? Yet, at the same time you believe he's a players coach?
I just don't get this line of thinking... I've seen you and plenty others bashing Whiz over Matty, while you guys have been consistently praising Whiz during his tenure here. Nobody is beyond reproach and certainly Whiz is not God. He has his flaws. However, if you want to attack the guy for his playcalling mistakes, or his questionable selections in the draft or Free Agents, fine. But, a coach who comes with the pedigree of Whiz... Who's been in the trenches as a player. Who has been around a great deal of success his entire coaching career. And who is universally viewed as a great players coach - a guy the players can relate to and one who works hard at relating and connecting with his players - to now call him "ignorant" and claim that he is being "unfair" in his treatment toward Matty seems very inconsistent to me.
Matty was given years to show Whiz what's under his hood. For reasons that Whiz (and I suspect many players as well) knows, Matty has yet to rise to the occasion. Sure, you guys point to stats as if that's all that matters. And then there are plenty on the other side who toss out more stats that counter the good stats you toss out. Yet, I contend Whiz (and I suspect many players as well), are far less concerned about stats, and much more concerned about what is going on between Matty's ears. He has simply not shown himself to be a trusted leader and solid field-general, and a guy players can look up to. Somehow, he has not been able to earn the respect a QB must have from coaches and fellow teammates.
Put the stupid stats aside. There is a TON more to being a QB than completion % and other numbers. It seems very clear that Matty hasn't done nearly enough in the non-stat category and for me, I hail Whiz for holding Matty accountable. Great move! Go Whiz!!!

'82, Ok bad choice of words. How about puzzling

 

[D-Dogg]

Interesting fuel for the fire from sando's blog:

Whisenhunt in March: "Obviously, it's not an open competition. Matt has earned the right to be in this spot and be the guy and that is the way it's going to go forward. But (Anderson) will get reps, he will get an opportunity to compete because that is the way we have handled things."

Whisenhunt in June: "You see it in (Matt’s) confidence, how he runs the huddle and how he sees the plays. His reads are much more decisive. He is throwing the ball with confidence. And I think he knows what is in front of him. It's obvious to me he’s more comfortable with the whole process, not just throwing a pass or knowing where guys line up. He understands the concepts of the plays and he has the ability to get us in and out of certain plays, all those things you see more assuredness from him. I am excited with what he has done in the OTAs so far."

Whisenhunt in July: "Seeing Kurt work has had a big impact on Matt. Anytime a player like Kurt works like he does, and has that success, it's going to rub off. Matt's done a nice job. He's had a good spring."

So what happened between then and now? Is it motivational? Did Toast coast? Did DA all of the sudden really impress? Did Toast look at CKW's wife? Looking back at the quotes makes this an even more delicious serving of anarchy.

 

[Shane]

Interesting fuel for the fire from sando's blog:




So what happened between then and now? Is it motivational? Did Toast coast? Did DA all of the sudden really impress? Did Toast look at CKW's wife? Looking back at the quotes makes this an even more delicious serving of anarchy.

What happened? How about all of training camp and a couple of games where through film Whiz wasn't happy with the results?

In the very first quote Whiz specifically stated that Matt is #1 and it wasn't a competition going in. But that DA would have a chance to compete. He was very clear IMO.

I cant stress how bad Matt was in some of those practices. It was pretty putrid at times.

 

[clif]

What I find silly is that some of you guys are bashing Matt for not responding well to "tough love" as if this is the only real way to treat someone. Not everyone, and I'm sure it goes for NFL players as well, responds to tough love. Sometimes you gotta try something different. This is what I talk about when I say i'm not all that enamored with whiz. Here is a perfect opportunity for him to try something different. Try being less of a stern father and shoot it straight. Clearly Matt is more comfortable with someone who is going to have his back. Right, wrong, or indifferent it's the coaches job to get the best out of the player and not constantly challenge his manhood to motivate. He tried that crap with Edge. He tried that crap with Anquan. He's trying that crap with Deuce. Sorry but it does not always work. Of course the whiz kids will come to his defense and say that all is right and he can do no wrong, but it's painfully obvious it's not working. Say what you want about the guy, Leinart's got talent and clearly knows how to win.

 

[D-Dogg]

What happened? How about all of training camp and a couple of games where through film Whiz wasn't happy with the results?

In the very first quote Whiz specifically stated that Matt is #1 and it wasn't a competition going in. But that DA would have a chance to compete. He was very clear IMO.

I cant stress how bad Matt was in some of those practices. It was pretty putrid at times.

DA was no great shakes himself. Going by practices, Hall would be the guy. Going by games, Skelton would be the guy. Knowing that 4th squads and practice don't give you starting QB understanding, it's still a ML vs. DA battle. And DA did nothing special.

FWIW, I guess (flat out guess here) that Whis isn't happy with Matt playing pansy football, afraid of taking chances at all, and is treating this as a wake-up call to Matt. If DA happens to light it up, he's going with DA. If DA falls flat, and Matt opens up and stops being hesitant, he goes with Matt. But if both of them falter, holy crap it might be Whisageddon and he will rip the lockerroom to shreds. (I tiny part of me wants to see that latter option, even though we'd suck again).

 

[Buckybird]

What I find silly is that some of you guys are bashing Matt for not responding well to "tough love" as if this is the only real way to treat someone. Not everyone, and I'm sure it goes for NFL players as well, responds to tough love. Sometimes you gotta try something different. This is what I talk about when I say i'm not all that enamored with whiz. Here is a perfect opportunity for him to try something different. Try being less of a stern father and shoot it straight. Clearly Matt is more comfortable with someone who is going to have his back. Right, wrong, or indifferent it's the coaches job to get the best out of the player and not constantly challenge his manhood to motivate. He tried that crap with Edge. He tried that crap with Anquan. He's trying that crap with Deuce. Sorry but it does not always work. Of course the whiz kids will come to his defense and say that all is right and he can do no wrong, but it's painfully obvious it's not working. Say what you want about the guy, Leinart's got talent and clearly knows how to win.

This I totally agree with you on clif.

Didn't Jimmy Johnson once say he treats differant players differant ways? Some people just need a hug

 

[Jetstream Green]

Matt should be VERY mad and anyone in his position would be if they are half an athlete. The OL stinks right now, no running game (I mean NO running game unless you count negative yrds...how freaking hard should it be to allow a bruising back like Hightower one positive yrd) and no passing lanes. Matt has had limited time and I think this is just Whis saying he does want Matt as a QB and dare I say he is setting him up to fail. OL stinking and two starting WRs out of the line up and a few series in those circumstances and Matt is being judge this critical. I trust Whis and if he wants another QB that fits his mindset, fine but just say it and cut Matt so he has a shot with another team or let him know he is the backup without these actions unless Whis really does not view the third preseason game a final rehersal for the starters in the first half

 

[Duckjake]

Matt should be VERY mad and anyone in his position would be if they are half an athlete. The OL stinks right now, no running game (I mean NO running game unless you count negative yrds...how freaking hard should it be to allow a bruising back like Hightower one positive yrd) and no passing lanes. Matt has had limited time and I think this is just Whis saying he does want Matt as a QB and dare I say he is setting him up to fail. OL stinking and two starting WRs out of the line up and a few series in those circumstances and Matt is being judge this critical. I trust Whis and if he wants another QB that fits his mindset, fine but just say it and cut Matt so he has a shot with another team or let him know he is the backup without these actions unless Whis really does not view the third preseason game a final rehersal for the starters in the first half

Tim Hightower is averaging 2.1 yards per carry so far this pre season.

 

[THESMEL]

What does Whiz want from QB's a first down

What does Mat want from Whiz. Feed the Bean on 3rd and 1 and keep the chains moving, He just completed the ball to 2 rookie WR's for christ sake and has 90+ qB rating with no first downs.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

I highly doubt that Matt is the only player that Whiz is unhappy with. He's just the one we all know about. For now.