Leinart talks about not starting

[Bobcat]

If this is going to be the case which I think it is why in hell didn't Our so-called head coach bring in Donavon McNabb, or Bolger. Donavon wanted to come here. To me our head coach is more like a "HEAD CASE" rather then the head Coach some claim that he is. Remember he won with players that Dave Mac, and Dennie Green brought in. I am one pissed off Cardinals Fan.

Mac.: Wilson, Boldin, Hayes

Green: Fitz, Berry, Okefer, Dansby, Warner, Rolle, Seldon, L. Brown, Wells, Bridges, Matt L. Just to name a few.

Whiz gets a lot of credit, but it was D.Green that help build this team more Whiz.


BOBCAT

 

[Shane]

Tim Hightower is averaging 2.1 yards per carry so far this pre season.

And beanie while better is only 3.2 both pretty bad.

 

[Duckjake]

If this is going to be the case which I think it is why in hell didn't Our so-called head coach bring in Donavon McNabb, or Bolger. Donavon wanted to come here. To me our head coach is more like a "HEAD CASE" rather then the head Coach some claim that he is. Remember he won with players that Dave Mac, and Dennie Green brought in. I am one pissed off Cardinals Fan.

Mac.: Wilson, Boldin, Hayes

Green: Fitz, Berry, Okefer, Dansby, Warner, Rolle, Seldon, L. Brown, Wells, Bridges, Matt L. Just to name a few.

Whiz gets a lot of credit, but it was D.Green that help build this team more Whiz.


BOBCAT

Yeah, and CKW has won as many games in 3 years as those two clowns won in 5.

McGinnis' last two teams were outscored by a total of THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY TWO points. Green's were outscored by 151 his last two. The last two seasons CKW has outscored his opponents by 51 points. A difference of 433 points from "One Heart Murmur"!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Interesting fuel for the fire from sando's blog:




So what happened between then and now? Is it motivational? Did Toast coast? Did DA all of the sudden really impress? Did Toast look at CKW's wife? Looking back at the quotes makes this an even more delicious serving of anarchy.

what happened between then and now? All those quotes were from the off-season, when there was no pressure. Training camp + Games = Pressure and maybe Wiz has seen that once the bullets starts flying, Matt is grounded... and that's just with rubber pre-season pellets.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Say what you want about the guy, Leinart's got talent and clearly knows how to win.

you could have said the same thing about Danny Wuerfel.

Matt doesn't have a big arm, doesn't have great athleticism and hasn't shown to be a pin-point passer, so whether or not he has talent at the NFL level is still debatable.

Andhe "clearly knows how to win" is bubkis. What you do in college, with the greatest collection of talent of all time doesn't mean it automatically translates to the Pros. Ask Danny Wuerffel about that. Or Heath Shuler... etc... etc...

 

[clif]

you could have said the same thing about Danny Wuerfel.

Matt doesn't have a big arm, doesn't have great athleticism and hasn't shown to be a pin-point passer, so whether or not he has talent at the NFL level is still debatable.

Andhe "clearly knows how to win" is bubkis. What you do in college, with the greatest collection of talent of all time doesn't mean it automatically translates to the Pros. Ask Danny Wuerffel about that. Or Heath Shuler... etc... etc...

BS. Matt didn't run some gimmicky fun and gun offense to great numbers. He led a talented team to national championships and national championship games. In fact he had his best games in the spotlight. I didn't say he would automatically transfer to the NFL. What I did and will continue to say is that this guy had a moxie and grit about him and he did what was needed to win. Even without the big arm or the overwhelming athleticism.

Again the the point being it was not like Whiz had a 7th round kid out of pohdunk state to work with. There is ability there and he isn't allergic to big games.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

you could have said the same thing about Danny Wuerfel.

Matt doesn't have a big arm, doesn't have great athleticism and hasn't shown to be a pin-point passer, so whether or not he has talent at the NFL level is still debatable.

Andhe "clearly knows how to win" is bubkis. What you do in college, with the greatest collection of talent of all time doesn't mean it automatically translates to the Pros. Ask Danny Wuerffel about that. Or Heath Shuler... etc... etc...

But we would all agree that Matty has shown something during his time here. Probably more than Danny Wuerrful ever showed.

 

[Shane]

But we would all agree that Matty has shown something during his time here. Probably more than Danny Wuerrful ever showed.

Not much more

 

[freebyrd]

LOL, still irrelevant.

lol..balogna myself and a few other posters on that thread were right and 80 percent of the responders were wrong,
people who are to prideful to admit they are wrong are childish as someone else called DA in this thread dontcha think? as far as matt goe's..

his teammates don't respect him the media doesn't respect him and whats most important is the coaching staff doesn't respect him, and for the life of me i can not figure out why,

you have to understand the views that i am expressing are coming from a fan of matt
as i said in the sideline interview thread when we picked him i was elated,

sadly he will probably go somewhere else and succeed
i do trust the coaching staff but i don't have to agree with everything they do,

this is a head scratcher to me, i can not believe that there is anybody on our roster at the quarterback position who understands the offense and is more prepared to start in it than matt

but the attitudes i saw from his teammates on the sideline monday night told me a different story
so call it what you want but i'm not eating any crow over this and if you responded to that thread i'll be serving up crow for all who are man or woman enough to admit they were wrong

 

[Buckybird]

you could have said the same thing about Danny Wuerfel.

Matt doesn't have a big arm, doesn't have great athleticism and hasn't shown to be a pin-point passer, so whether or not he has talent at the NFL level is still debatable.

Andhe "clearly knows how to win" is bubkis. What you do in college, with the greatest collection of talent of all time doesn't mean it automatically translates to the Pros. Ask Danny Wuerffel about that. Or Heath Shuler... etc... etc...

Wuerfel & Shuler probably had more starts than Leinart.

 

[Buckybird]

Not much more

Your comparing Leinart & Wuefel's talent & ability to be an NFL QB

I know you've said you want this kid to QB the Cards this year but your venom for Leinart has come out today Shane.

 

[Cheesebeef]

BS. Matt didn't run some gimmicky fun and gun offense to great numbers. He led a talented team to national championships and national championship games. In fact he had his best games in the spotlight. I didn't say he would automatically transfer to the NFL. What I did and will continue to say is that this guy had a moxie and grit about him and he did what was needed to win. Even without the big arm or the overwhelming athleticism.

Again the the point being it was not like Whiz had a 7th round kid out of pohdunk state to work with. There is ability there and he isn't allergic to big games.

the guy has looked AWFUL (with one game of mediocrity at best leading the team to 10 whopping points last year) when he's gotten a shot.

Again, playing big in college when you're the HEAVY favorite and playing on what people considered the best collection of offensive talent in NCAA history isn't an indicator of much of anything in the NFL Clif.

You're living in the past... a VERY distant past. Look at what's happened since then. He was TERRIFYING every time he came in a game last season, was mediocre in one start and awful in another. That's pathetic for a guy who's been in the system for years with a PLETHORA of talent around him.

Oh, and for those who will protest that he came into games as a backup and didn't have reps, etc. etc... as a number 2 QB it's your JOB to be ready, period. Guys get that opportunity A LOT in this league. If you're not ready, that's no one's fault but you're own and he hasn't looked ready since the 2nd game of the 2007 season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

But we would all agree that Matty has shown something during his time here. Probably more than Danny Wuerrful ever showed.

sure, but I wouldn't say much more and what he did show was EONS ago football wise. He looked REALLY good his first two games as a rookie and basically hasn't since.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Oh, and for those who will protest that he came into games as a backup and didn't have reps, etc. etc... as a number 2 QB it's your JOB to be ready, period. Guys get that opportunity A LOT in this league. If you're not ready, that's no one's fault but you're own and he hasn't looked ready since the 2nd game of the 2007 season.

As in baseball - some guys are starters, some guys are relief pitchers.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Just curious... do you guys view Whiz as a players coach? A coach that cna get along with his players, earn their respect and trust? Or, do you see him as some sort of ego freak who is totally distant from his players? Someone who couldn't care any less about connecting with them??

I have personally spoken to a few players when he first got here and they didn't trust a thing he says. Maybe that has changed but that was the initial impression.

 

[ajcardfan]

I agree.

Leinart: "If it is an open competition, then let's have it that way fom the start, if that is what it is."

I've read this 10 times and listened to the sound clip twice. IF it's an open competition? IF??? I'm a fan not a player and I ASSUMED it wold be a competition. It's WHIZ for pity's sake. Matt! There's a precident here.

The way I took it, is he thinks he's being screwed and thinks he might have been screwed from the get go. I can see that thought from his point of view. The crappy thing is he is thinking about this instead of just football.

 

[clif]

the guy has looked AWFUL (with one game of mediocrity at best leading the team to 10 whopping points last year) when he's gotten a shot.

Again, playing big in college when you're the HEAVY favorite and playing on what people considered the best collection of offensive talent in NCAA history isn't an indicator of much of anything in the NFL Clif.

You're living in the past... a VERY distant past. Look at what's happened since then. He was TERRIFYING every time he came in a game last season, was mediocre in one start and awful in another. That's pathetic for a guy who's been in the system for years with a PLETHORA of talent around him.

Oh, and for those who will protest that he came into games as a backup and didn't have reps, etc. etc... as a number 2 QB it's your JOB to be ready, period. Guys get that opportunity A LOT in this league. If you're not ready, that's no one's fault but you're own and he hasn't looked ready since the 2nd game of the 2007 season.

Listen, I'm really growing tired of this convo at this point. All this speculation and hand wringing over 13 passes is just flabbergasting to me. I will beg to differ about him looking awful last year. In fact I frankly have no idea what you're talking about in regards to that. I remember a solid but unspectacular game against Tennessee. I remember mop up duty in the NFC divisional round where no one looked good but I don't recall anything he did that stood out as AWFUL.

I vaguely remember his game against Green Bay the last week of the regular season as being nothing more than a scrimmage and very vanilla.

Again you're missing my point. The guy is not without talent and ability. Has he progressed to the point to deserve a starting role? I don't know, but everything that came out of whis's mouth would have led you to believe so. So now after all that.... we are supposed to believe he has no shot?

 

[Buckybird]

Again you're missing my point. The guy is not without talent and ability. Has he progressed to the point to deserve a starting role? I don't know, but everything that came out of whis's mouth would have led you to believe so. So now after all that.... we are supposed to believe he has no shot?

I agree Clif

 

[DemsMyBoys]

The way I took it, is he thinks he's being screwed and thinks he might have been screwed from the get go. I can see that thought from his point of view. The crappy thing is he is thinking about this instead of just football.

After a day of thinking about it, I agree. Especially after reading the Whiz statement of a few months ago that there was no competition.

There is something going on, something has happened, that we just don't know about yet. Lombardi may have sources (which could just be a flight attendant or the guy dumping the office trash) but he sure isn't saying WHY all of this is going on.

I've followed Matt since he was at Mater Dei and have always felt he and Whiz were oil and water. Matt is Mater Dei. Whiz is Crenshaw. (For the other So Cal people out there.)

 

[D-Dogg]

lol..balogna myself and a few other posters on that thread were right and 80 percent of the responders were wrong,
people who are to prideful to admit they are wrong are childish as someone else called DA in this thread dontcha think? as far as matt goe's..

his teammates don't respect him the media doesn't respect him

Your reach in the last line there is the funny part. You have NO evidence, nor will you likely ever, that they were goofing around because "they don't respect him."

If you dropped the Dr. Phil angle, you could brag on being right (whatever that's worth) but the sideline interview has no bearing on anything. Your being absolutely sure of it proving anything is hilarious.

 

[Dayman]

I thought he handled it well. Now he has to go out there and back up his words. I sincerely hope he can.

On another note, has anyone noticed the preseason Kevin Kolb is putting up?

28/53 332 yards 6.3 ypa 0 TDs 1 INT 64.3 rating

Yet no trace of a QB controversy with his high paid backup. Whis' decision isn't necessarily wrong, but it's definitely different.

 

[DoTheDew]

If this is going to be the case which I think it is why in hell didn't Our so-called head coach bring in Donavon McNabb, or Bolger. Donavon wanted to come here. To me our head coach is more like a "HEAD CASE" rather then the head Coach some claim that he is. Remember he won with players that Dave Mac, and Dennie Green brought in. I am one pissed off Cardinals Fan.

Mac.: Wilson, Boldin, Hayes

Green: Fitz, Berry, Okefer, Dansby, Warner, Rolle, Seldon, L. Brown, Wells, Bridges, Matt L. Just to name a few.

Whiz gets a lot of credit, but it was D.Green that help build this team more Whiz.


BOBCAT

That is a bit unfair.

Whiz has brought in DRC, Beanie, Toler (looking like a solid pick up so far) LSH, Campbell, Doucet, THT, Breaston, just to name a few.

If anything, though, winning with players that previous coaches couldn't get wins with proves that you are a good coach. Maybe Whiz is a head-case. Belichek is considered a head-case by a lot of people but hey he won SBs, cheating or no cheating, I'll take a head case who wins over Coach Macs heart and 4-12 seasons any day of the weak.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

sure, but I wouldn't say much more and what he did show was EONS ago football wise. He looked REALLY good his first two games as a rookie and basically hasn't since.

This sucks cheese.

This situation is right on the precipice of being a complete train wreck.

Were the defending division champs for gods sake, but are we acting like it? No! We're flailing around like keystone cops.

This smacks of the "same old sorry @ss cardinals".

 

[Buckybird]

After a day of thinking about it, I agree. Especially after reading the Whiz statement of a few months ago that there was no competition.

There is something going on, something has happened, that we just don't know about yet. Lombardi may have sources (which could just be a flight attendant or the guy dumping the office trash) but he sure isn't saying WHY all of this is going on.

I've followed Matt since he was at Mater Dei and have always felt he and Whiz were oil and water. Matt is Mater Dei. Whiz is Crenshaw. (For the other So Cal people out there.)

You're right.

A personality conflict, hidden agenda, whatever. Something diffantly smells like a skunk here. But oh well, we will probably never find out the truth.

 

[freebyrd]

Your reach in the last line there is the funny part. You have NO evidence, nor will you likely ever, that they were goofing around because "they don't respect him."

If you dropped the Dr. Phil angle, you could brag on being right (whatever that's worth) but the sideline interview has no bearing on anything. Your being absolutely sure of it proving anything is hilarious.

i'll have to go back and reread everything on that thread i said i would pull it up and eat crow if we were 3 and 1 4 and 0 or even a respectable 2 and 2 after four games,i believe

i am not doctor phil not even close but i spent a lot of years in upper level management and got pretty good at for lack of a better term "reading" people,
i have also seen people put in positions where they were set up to fail because of a personal prejudice or perceived injustice by overzealous jerks who got off on knocking people down,

and just from what i have seen this offseason and preseason with all the line shuffling and matt not having any playing time with beanie and ironically probably the smallest clue was all that sideline crap,

but i knew they weren't giving him a fair shake for whatever reason and it looked to me like half the team knew it and maybe matt did too i don't know

fact of the matter is that ridiculous article about matt being a surprise cut doesn't look so ridiculous now,

i'll probably be wrong a thousand times this season about a thousand different things but i was right about this

your preseason third game starter is your favorite pony to start the season with, we can all admit that can't we?