Leonard Fournette Released

[Solar7]

How many seasons has Leonard Fournette missed a game?

All three, including missing half a season his sophomore year.

You do realize he would be horrible in Kingsbury's scheme?

How many times has Kenyan Drake started more than 7 games in a season? Once. How many times has he been a 1,000 yard rusher? Zero.

This is a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth for a cheap insurance policy. If Kenyan Drake has Fournette's exact stat line from 2019 this year, you'd all be claiming it a wild success.

 

[Krangodnzr]

How many times has Kenyan Drake started more than 7 games in a season? Once. How many times has he been a 1,000 yard rusher? Zero.

This is a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth for a cheap insurance policy. If Kenyan Drake has Fournette's exact stat line from 2019 this year, you'd all be claiming it a wild success.

You answered none of my concerns.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Kenyan Drake:. 23 TDs on 600 touches.

Leonard Fournette: 17 TDs on 800 touches.

Fournette is a very limited player. Good at running straight ahead, power running schemes, and that's it.

Look. Fournette is not a fit for K2's offense and that's easy to see.

Seattle is a perfect fit and San Fran and LA could be ok to good fits. That scares the hell out of me because this dude will be motivated and under pressure to perform for his next contract.

He would immediately be the best RB on any of the other three teams in our division.

 

[Solar7]

You answered none of my concerns.

You and I see the entire situation differently, that's why. Do I care he missed week 17 last year with a sore neck and the flu, with absolutely nothing on the line? Not really. **** happens.

Also, touchdowns are fluky. Julio Jones is one of the best WRs in the game and had exactly 1 year with more than 8 TDs. Fournette already has one year with 10 (which is a better year than Drake's put up ever).

He might not be ideal in Kliff's scheme, but at the same time, he'd come cheap and is more proven. I'm sure Kliff could figure out something to do with a guy who just caught 76 balls and ran for close to 1200 yards.

 

[juza76]

You answered none of my concerns.

if u put him in the corner then he avoid the answers and he start to write something else
@Solar7 and the art of disengaging

 

[Solar7]

if u put him in the corner then he avoid the answers and he start to write something else
@Solar 7 and the art of disencaging

I'm not disengaging. Krang's pushing the narrative that Fournette's a piece of garbage to be thrown on the heap when he outclasses our current running back in almost every statistical category short of of some slight efficiency advantages for Drake.

Does anyone here really think that if we give Drake 265 carries and 100 targets he's going to maintain an over 5.0 YPC and 6.9 YPR (that YPR matches his time with us last year and Fournette's YPR, by the by)? Keep in mind that would be nearly 100 more carries than Drake's ever had in a season.

Edit: I'm only discussing any of this because Fournette can likely be had on a super cheap deal right now. If the conversation were paying the guy $8 million, I'd be out too. But I'm also sick and tired of acting like we have Marshall Faulk on our roster.

 

[juza76]

I'm not disengaging. Krang's pushing the narrative that Fournette's a piece of garbage to be thrown on the heap when he outclasses our current running back in almost every statistical category short of of some slight efficiency advantages for Drake.

Does anyone here really think that if we give Drake 265 carries and 100 targets he's going to maintain an over 5.0 YPC and 6.9 YPR (that YPR matches his time with us last year and Fournette's YPR, by the by)? Keep in mind that would be nearly 100 more carries than Drake's ever had in a season.

He just show u considering the snaps and touches he had, he has been better
Then u repeat the narrative about Fournette played with a bad offensive line
Then what about drake and the putrid offensivelines has played with?

 

[Solar7]

He just show u considering the snaps and touches he had, he has been better
Then u repeat the narrative about Fournette played with a bad offensive line
Then what about drake and the putrid offensivelines has played with?

I haven't mentioned Fournette's offensive line in this at all.

Drake has a better YPC and touchdown percentage per touch, but the YPC probably wouldn't be as high if Drake was ever used as more than a gadget player. The TD efficiency is pretty marginal, given I can think of 2-3 really flukey plays alone that Drake has scored on (i.e. a lateral and beating Rob Gronkowski on defense of all people to the edge).

 

[juza76]

Drake with a rookie qb, subpar offensive line, mediocre receivers he put a sensational 4.8 yards for carry, something u have to go back 30years to see someone closer to him in a Cardinals uniform

 

[Solar7]

Drake with a rookie qb, subpar offensive line, mediocre receivers he put a sensational 4.8 yards for carry, something u have to go back 30years to see someone closer to him in a Cardinals uniform

And Fournette put up 4.3 with basically the same situation - and his QB was a 6th round pick, not the top pick in the draft.

 

[juza76]

And Fournette put up 4.3 with basically the same situation - and his QB was a 6th round pick, not the top pick in the draft.

but previously u stated that minchew played better then Murray

Anyway 0.5 of difference is like night and day

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Then why did your friend who is a Jags insider waive him? Or I guess the team for that matter?

He said things are tough to figure out and he wasn't in the loop on that decision. Their FO is a train wreck right now. First they hired Baalke out of the blue and things have been a mess since.

me reading between the lines, this may be his last year there. I know him and Baalke aren't the biggest fans of each other.

It seems pretty obvious they are blowing it up and starting over. Look at all the talent they've let go in past year or so. Probably tanking it for Lawrence.

 

[Finito]

Kenyan Drake:. 23 TDs on 600 touches.

Leonard Fournette: 17 TDs on 800 touches.

Fournette would be an AWFUL fit in this offense. Awful. He is an old school I back who lacks lateral agility.

Anyone who even considers him for the Cardinals has virtually no understanding on how players fit in Kingsbury's offense.

Fournette is a very limited player. Good at running straight ahead, power running schemes, and that's it.

I think your underestimating KK ability to adjust to things around him. He doesn’t seem like a “the system works” type of guy at all. This team started to take off the more we ran.

he’s also come out and said he pretty much ruined Isabellas rookie year by using him wrong. That’s pretty big for a coach

I think it’s you who’s stuck in a we only do this type of thinking.

a good coach can work with what he’s got.

“ give me the 5 best players and I’ll figure out how to make it work”- Cotton Fitzsimmons

 

[juza76]

I think your underestimating KK ability to adjust to things around him. He doesn’t seem like a “the system works” type of guy at all. This team started to take off the more we ran.

he’s also come out and said he pretty much ruined Isabellas rookie year by using him wrong. That’s pretty big for a coach

I think it’s you who’s stuck in a we only do this type of thinking.

a good coach can work with what he’s got.

“ give me the 5 best players and I’ll figure out how to make it work”- Cotton Fitzsimmons

Undestimating kk ability or not
I have never seen a Cardinals rb getting through the hole like he does, he doesn't hesitate and has an extra gear to go full speed in few cents of second
Instict, vision and breakaway speed

 

[Solar7]

but previously u stated that minchew played better then Murray

Anyway 0.5 of difference is like night and day

Minshew and Murray had relatively comparable seasons in different ways (or at least they did around the last time I remember saying this, which was like week 13 or something), but an obvious rift in top level talent.

.5 difference is night and day until you consider volume. Again, I ask the question: does anyone think if we hand the ball to Drake 265 times, he's going to run for a 4.8 yard+ clip? Because only 3 players with 265 carries or more ran for over 4.8 per carry. Derrick Henry, Nick Chubb, and Christian McCaffrey. And Drake is not any of those guys.

 

[Finito]

Then why did your friend who is a Jags insider waive him? Or I guess the team for that matter?

there clearly tanking. It’s clear they want one of the big QBs coming out

Ramsey
Calais
Fournette
Ngakoue
Bouye

all gone. unloading salary

 

[slanidrac16]

Fournette appears to be a bit of a tool.
He has missed quite a few games.
He will not be available at a bargain basement price.
“ Running backs are a dime a dozen” yet some think he would be a bargain at 5m.
I’m not a fan of bringing in a player that is not an ideal fit for what we do.
The Cards have a limited amount of cap space some of which will be saved for an emergency signing.

I highly doubt Keim even gave it a thought. Let’s move forward rather than digress back to April about Drake sucks/no he doesn’t again.

 

[Finito]

Minshew and Murray had relatively comparable seasons in different ways (or at least they did around the last time I remember saying this, which was like week 13 or something), but an obvious rift in top level talent.

.5 difference is night and day until you consider volume. Again, I ask the question: does anyone think if we hand the ball to Drake 265 times, he's going to run for a 4.8 yard+ clip? Because only 3 players with 265 carries or more ran for over 4.8 per carry. Derrick Henry, Nick Chubb, and Christian McCaffrey. And Drake is not any of those guys.

Minshew was so good don’t be surprised when they draft Trevor Lawrence

 

[juza76]

Minshew and Murray had relatively comparable seasons in different ways (or at least they did around the last time I remember saying this, which was like week 13 or something), but an obvious rift in top level talent.

.5 difference is night and day until you consider volume. Again, I ask the question: does anyone think if we hand the ball to Drake 265 times, he's going to run for a 4.8 yard+ clip? Because only 3 players with 265 carries or more ran for over 4.8 per carry. Derrick Henry, Nick Chubb, and Christian McCaffrey. And Drake is not any of those guys.

He didn't have the opportunity doesn't mean he is not able.
he start playing with us mid season
But 8 games in a row is enough to have some optimism about him
Unfortunately is something u lack

 

[Solar7]

Minshew was so good don’t be surprised when they draft Trevor Lawrence

I'd draft Trevor Lawrence even if my own son were the QB of my team, so no debate there.

 

[Solar7]

He didn't have the opportunity doesn't mean he is not able.
he start playing with us mid season
But 8 games in a row is enough to have some optimism about him
Unfortunately is something u lack

He's had four years in the league to prove that he can play more than half a season. The Dolphins had a new coaching staff and he still didn't see the field over Mark Walton and Kalen Ballage.

Anyways, I have to do some work stuff, I'll come back to this later.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think your underestimating KK ability to adjust to things around him. He doesn’t seem like a “the system works” type of guy at all. This team started to take off the more we ran.

he’s also come out and said he pretty much ruined Isabellas rookie year by using him wrong. That’s pretty big for a coach

I think it’s you who’s stuck in a we only do this type of thinking.

a good coach can work with what he’s got.

“ give me the 5 best players and I’ll figure out how to make it work”- Cotton Fitzsimmons

Fournette isn't good enough to fundamentally change your offensive system.

He isn't good out of the shotgun, and struggles to run well when he has to run through small spaces and cut.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'd draft Trevor Lawrence even if my own son were the QB of my team, so no debate there.

Lawrence struggled last year against some bad teams.

He doesn't have the luster he had after his freshman season. He's a real good prospect, but I don't see him in the Luck/Manning category. He's pretty close to can't miss.

 

[Dr. Jones]

He isn't good out of the shotgun, and struggles to run well when he has to run through small spaces and cut.

this is my issue as well.

Fournette, while elite at what he does, is a runner who needs the forward inertia of a handoff or toss. A true downhill bruiser in the same sphere as AP or Derrick Henry.

I am not sure he has ever been in an offense that has asked him to line up next to his QB, operate in an RPO environment, or been asked to take delayed hand-offs like an air raid offense would.

Scheme fit does matter. This isnt the place for him.

 

[Krangodnzr]

this is my issue as well.

Fournette, while elite at what he does, is a runner who needs the forward inertia of a handoff or toss. A true downhill bruiser in the same sphere as AP or Derrick Henry.

I am not sure he has ever been in an offense that has asked him to line up next to his QB, operate in an RPO environment, or been asked to take delayed hand-offs like an air raid offense would.

Scheme fit does matter. This isnt the place for him.

Matt Waldman's scouting report on him when he was coming out of LSU was spot on.

He said that everyone wants compare Fournette to All Day, but the reality is that Peterson is significantly more agile than Fournette.

Fournette is an old school half back. Put a blocker in front of him, line him up deep, and watch him get a head of steam and run over people. But put him in the shotgun or running RPOs and he will struggle because he has below average lateral movement.

He is literally the WORST fit for Kingsbury's scheme and it's not like he is an all world talent that you build your offense around...he clearly isn't and it would be ridiculous to change your offense for a replacement level player.