Let’s Take a Moment to Overreact to Kyler’s IG Page

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dude... Primetime was a sure-fire HOF Superstar and people weren’t clamoring to see him. Mostly because he sucked as a baseball player. No one would care about Kyler after the initial “what’s this going to be?” unless he became a superstar. And if he did walk away from football without ever accomplishing a thing, especially after that disastrous playoff game, I think he would get absolutely savaged for being a baby and to scared to play football. And even if he did become SUPERSTAR GREAT playing for the A’s, even then, he’d fade into his oblivion because a) no one really cares about baseball and b) no one REALLY cares about the A’s.
You mean like Michael Jordan? Nah. This is silly talk.
My point has less to do with WHO Kyler Murray is, and more to do with where he was selected in each draft.
I could be completely wrong, but a sure way to find out is if the Cardinals let him walk or trade him. That would settle all debates ! ! !. My point still stands though...
Kyler leaves.... Who's going to be making the next draft picks....
Good luck with that..
On a final note. None of us knows what any of this means so, it does seem somewhat pointless to debate something that might actually be Nothing At All...
 

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My point has less to do with WHO Kyler Murray is, and more to do with where he was selected in each draft.
I could be completely wrong, but a sure way to find out is if the Cardinals let him walk or trade him. That would settle all debates ! ! !. My point still stands though...
Kyler leaves.... Who's going to be making the next draft picks....
Good luck with that..
On a final note. None of us knows what any of this means so, it does seem somewhat pointless to debate something that might actually be Nothing At All...
I really don’t think it would be that big of a deal after a couple games simply because no one cares about baseball.
 

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I really don’t think it would be that big of a deal after a couple games simply because no one cares about baseball.
Amen...
Baseball right now has put the "dis" in functional smh... But, the kid was selected top 10 in both sports so sure the would be interest. Even if it did fade after a year or 2 but in baseball a year or 2 is all it takes to make a WHOLE LOT of money smh...
 

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Amen...
Baseball right now has put the "dis" in functional smh... But, the kid was selected top 10 in both sports so sure the would be interest. Even if it did fade after a year or 2 but in baseball a year or 2 is all it takes to make a WHOLE LOT of money smh...
I think you overestimate by a... year or two. I think there would be interest for a game or two. His draft number in the NFL was three years ago and he’s done solid damage to any hoped for superstardom with the last two seasons second half face-plants. Now that DOESNT mean I think he has no shine... but the bloom is off the rose and he’s become something of a question mark.

And a question mark leaving the biggest sports league in the country to go play for the distant third biggest just doesn’t move the needle all that much, IMO.
 

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I think you overestimate by a... year or two. I think there would be interest for a game or two. His draft number in the NFL was three years ago and he’s done solid damage to any hoped for superstardom with the last two seasons second half face-plants. Now that DOESNT mean I think he has no shine... but the bloom is off the rose and he’s become something of a question mark.

And a question mark leaving the biggest sports league in the country to go play for the distant third biggest just doesn’t move the needle all that much, IMO.
Sorry... Like your post but not going to keep debating Kyler Murray and something that might actually mean nothing at all.
You have a very good insight however though, baseball is the 3rd most popular sport in the country, but the salaries aren't and the careers are alot longer than football and basketball.
Have a great night...
 

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Sorry... Like your post but not going to keep debating Kyler Murray and something that might actually mean nothing at all.
You have a very good insight however though, baseball is the 3rd most popular sport in the country, but the salaries aren't and the careers are alot longer than football and basketball.
Have a great night...
All good.
 

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Right? I mean... that was the BIGGEST STAR EVER of almost everything. Three games into his “baseball career” no one gave a poop.
Was MJ ever drafted by an MLB team? Serious question, I don't know.
 

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Britcard, I'm not going to enjoy the contract negotiation process any more than you. But here's the thing, and I hope I articulate this adequately and fairly to both sides.

This is a case where a player's interests are in conflict with the (passionate, in both of our cases) fan's interest. You and I more or less would like Kyler to just keep quiet, and play through at least year four of his contract. That's what's best for the Cardinals, the team we love.

But unfortunately that's not what's best for Kyler Murray, the professional football player.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve a contract extension at this point, great. I really don't want to argue about it. However, I think his agent can probably find enough stats and accolades to build a case that he should at this point be considered for an extension. I might even go as far to say the Murray's agent isn't doing his job if he doesn't start pressing for a new contract. But I really don't want to argue about this point.

Also, while I wish I didn't have to watch my favorite player battle my favorite team over money, I understand that this is a business situation, and since I'm not the one who in the future is going to be providing for K1's Family, I'm not going to turn on him for trying to get a new contract. If you want to, fine, have at it.

Lastly, to me, my judgement of Kyler will be based on how he goes about negotiating a new contact. I really, really hope that he doesn't trash the team publicly, or otherwise demonstrate truly poor form. That's all that I would ask of him. Show class, maturity, and a little respect for the team that drafted you #1 overall. For him to keep it out of the public eye as much as possible, and to handle his business like a honorable young man.

But we'll see.

Lamar Jackson didn't get a new deal after his 3rd year. Nor did Baker Mayfield. Neither of them threw their toys out of the pram and deleted their socials.

The team has no obligation to give him a new deal now. And frankly, he hasn't earned it like Mahomes and Allen did.
 
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Britcard, I'm not going to enjoy the contract negotiation process any more than you. But here's the thing, and I hope I articulate this adequately and fairly to both sides.

This is a case where a player's interests are in conflict with the (passionate, in both of our cases) fan's interest. You and I more or less would like Kyler to just keep quiet, and play through at least year four of his contract. That's what's best for the Cardinals, the team we love.

But unfortunately that's not what's best for Kyler Murray, the professional football player.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve a contract extension at this point, great. I really don't want to argue about it. However, I think his agent can probably find enough stats and accolades to build a case that he should at this point be considered for an extension. I might even go as far to say the Murray's agent isn't doing his job if he doesn't start pressing for a new contract. But I really don't want to argue about this point.

Also, while I wish I didn't have to watch my favorite player battle my favorite team over money, I understand that this is a business situation, and since I'm not the one who in the future is going to be providing for K1's Family, I'm not going to turn on him for trying to get a new contract. If you want to, fine, have at it.

Lastly, to me, my judgement of Kyler will be based on how he goes about negotiating a new contact. I really, really hope that he doesn't trash the team publicly, or otherwise demonstrate truly poor form. That's all that I would ask of him. Show class, maturity, and a little respect for the team that drafted you #1 overall. For him to keep it out of the public eye as much as possible, and to handle his business like a honorable young man.

But we'll see.

He's already going about it wrong. This is really, really not the right way.
 

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He's already going about it wrong. This is really, really not the right way.

I'm trying to remember literally any other 3rd year QB handling it this way. Especially one that's achieved nothing.

Just a reminder to everyone that Lamar Jackson has been running for 1000 yards a year and risking injury on a 4 year contract worth a total of $9m (Kyler is earning $34m) and when the Ravens didn't extend him after year 3 (and in fact took his 5th year option) he just shrugged and said "It will happen when it happens".
 

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The kid is 24 years old. There are 27 and 28 year olds in the minors who get called up. The fact that the A's still own his baseball rights and not just given them up and moved on speaks volumes
Talk about very realistic...
As a baseball fan also. The fact that baseball viewer ship has fallen off a cliff and fans are continuing to leave because of the disfunction of the MLB. I have No problem believing the A's would take him in a second and put him on the field, if only to put butts in the seats and increase revenue....
Very realistic
in all honesty, from my heart....

if at any single moment kyler has thought about going to baseball in the past three years... then the kid needs to kick rocks and go.

we need an nfl quarterback who is 100 percent committed to being the absolute best....and if he has ever even considered switching to another sport he aint that guy...so just cut him loose, take the tank year, and try again...

nobody around here wants some lame ass kid half assing the position for years just to milk some contracts. if he isnt committed he needs to go,...and it doesnt look like he is fully committed
 

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Ah, I see.

I was definitely taking a shot at JB. Flavor of the month was half in jest, but half truthful too. Let's see Burrow string together a couple of great seasons before we punch his ticket to Canton.

And I wish Murray got to play against AFC defenses all the time. His rating vs. the AFC this year?

TEN = 120.9
JAX = 93.1
CLE = 129.0
HOU = 121.3

An average of 116.0. A little better than JB's season average of 108.0. Bah, no matter. Irrelevant.

Yeah Burrows is clearly better than Murray, who gets the luxury of playing against the soft Rams and SF defenses twice a year, while having Antoine Wesley and Greg Dortch to terrorize opposing secondaries.

So please, by all means, let's proceed with the Joe Burrows love fest.
Careful the I hate K1 crowd hates facts!!!
 

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Lol. Keep doubling down on the QB who literally crapped his own bed against the qb who has lead his team the freaking super bowl in his second season after having won a National championship in college just two years prior. Dude, cmon. You used kylers QB rating against Jax and Houston to your bolster your argument. Lol. Okay crimson. Enjoy the world in which you live, it’s pretty fanciful there.

Wow, so like there's this vast gulf between Burrow and Murray? Do you understand that it takes more than one person to score points in football? I'm not sure that you do.

You know, as much as I hate the Rams, I will now happily cheer for them to beat the crap out of Burrow. I'm am so sick of hearing you guys coo and fawn over him, while trashing the guy that plays for your own team. It is so freaking gross.
 

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Was MJ ever drafted by an MLB team? Serious question, I don't know.
No.

He "retired" due to sports gambling issues that the league otherwise would have suspended him for and Reinsdorf owned the baseball team so it was a perfect way for him to keep playing for the owner. His basketball contract was honored until he "un-retired" also. Pretty convenient really.

Jordan further surprised the sports world by signing a Minor League Baseball contract with the Chicago White Sox on February 7, 1994. He reported to spring training in Sarasota, Florida, and was assigned to the team's minor league system on March 31, 1994. Jordan said that this decision was made to pursue the dream of his late father, who always envisioned his son as a Major League Baseball player. The White Sox were owned by Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf, who continued to honor Jordan's basketball contract during the years he played baseball.
 

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Wow, so like there's this vast gulf between Burrow and Murray? Do you understand that it takes more than one person to score points in football? I'm not sure that you do.

You know, as much as I hate the Rams, I will now happily cheer for them to beat the crap out of Burrow. I'm am so sick of hearing you guys coo and fawn over him, while trashing the guy that plays for your own team. It is so freaking gross.
Are you kidding? There IS a huge gap between the two QBs. To your second point, Burrow has been BURIED in sacks and has still stood in the pocket and led his team. He's also, earlier than KM, been clutch when needed, LED his team into the playoffs, and led them to wins in the playoffs. He is light years beyond KM at this point.
 

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I really don’t think it would be that big of a deal after a couple games simply because no one cares about baseball.
Plus, baseball history is littered with high draft picks who never panned out. It is nonsensical to think he would make the leap all the way to majors immediately…especially after a few years not playing the game
 

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Are you kidding? There IS a huge gap between the two QBs. To your second point, Burrow has been BURIED in sacks and has still stood in the pocket and led his team. He's also, earlier than KM, been clutch when needed, LED his team into the playoffs, and led them to wins in the playoffs. He is light years beyond KM at this point.
Wouldn't have done any of that with this roster. Burrow has stud WRs running open all day. He throws a pass to Jamarr Chase at the line of scrimmage and he takes it for 50 yards. Mixon is a work horse and makes great plays. Kyler was better than Burrow until Hopkins went down, says it all. Our number one reveiver was pushed off the Cincinnati roster because he sucked ass.
 

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So not nothing then.

Does Kyler really think scrubbing socials is the mature way for any player, never mind a QB, to negotiate?

Trade him.
Sure let's go get Jalen Hurts and a couple picks that Bluto will inevitably screw up for despite his flaws is one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the world.
 

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Plus, baseball history is littered with high draft picks who never panned out. It is nonsensical to think he would make the leap all the way to majors immediately…especially after a few years not playing the game
The As did promise Murray a MLB roster spot when he signed, but that promise is probably gone now.
 
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