Let’s Take a Moment to Overreact to Kyler’s IG Page

[unseenaz]

I’m about done with this mental midget. the more this story evolves the more attractive the QB sweepstakes sound.

 

[BritCard]

This is no win for fans. It sucks.

Either we sign him to an extension he hasn't earned thus removing any incentive he has to address the short comings he isn't addressing.

Or he doesn't and forces a trade, or holds out, or plays but like crap.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

My take is that Kyler is probably very aware of the history of this franchise

Kyler is not a student of the game or aware of the history of the NFL yet alone the Cardinals. He only knows what others tell him. When asked a question about being in the playoffs (before that debacle of a game) he said "It's been who knows how long since this team was in the playoffs..." Uh, the team was in the NFC Championship game only 5 years earlier. Someone with knowledge of the Cardinals' recent history would know that much. You'd think a potential franchise QB following in the footsteps of Warner and Palmer would study what went on before he arrived in town.

 

[TJ]

I sided with Keim when Mathieu took swipes. I sided with Keim when Peterson took swipes.

But now with Kyler? I can't take Keim's side here. These issues bubble to the surface way too often for this to only be a player side issue.

Kyler has acted like a douche about this, but why has he felt the need to act this way? And the leadership of the organization hasn't made really any statements aside from Mike B making a statement last week. They should have addressed how the season ended, but they didn't.

you don’t need to side with anyone. They’re all culpable in their own way. Just hope a deal is done and that it doesn’t cash-strap the franchise for years to come

 

[Russ Smith]

This is no win for fans. It sucks.

Either we sign him to an extension he hasn't earned thus removing any incentive he has to address the short comings he isn't addressing.

Or he doesn't and forces a trade, or holds out, or plays but like crap.

Or Kyler works his butt off this offseason, we finally have a good draft, do well in FA, and he plays better next year and earns the extension. From the wording of that it's apparent they want the extension now and think they can lower his cap hit so we can sign more FA's, that sounds good but it's kind of glossing over we want an extension part and the team is going to have to make that decision and I'd prefer they wait on that which means the cap help from an extension won't come this FA period.

 

[Russ Smith]

Kyler is not a student of the game or aware of the history of the NFL yet alone the Cardinals. He only knows what others tell him. When asked a question about being in the playoffs (before that debacle of a game) he said "It's been who knows how long since this team was in the playoffs..." Uh, the team was in the NFC Championship game only 5 years earlier. Someone with knowledge of the Cardinals' recent history would know that much. You'd think a potential franchise QB following in the footsteps of Warner and Palmer would study what went on before he arrived in town.

I think it's highly likely he's aware we have a history with contracts and players, just from the guys on the current team since he's been here he's probably heard it from PP, Chandler etc. I guarantee his agent has made him aware of it that's why they're handling it the way they are asking for the extension IMO.

 

[QuebecCard]

Again, I agree that Kyler is a baby, and full of question marks these days. That said, the organization clearly hasn't handled this situation well, and we have about 10 years of Keim alienating current and former players alike, so I have no sympathy for the FO or their negotiating tactics.

How exactly should the FO have handled this?

 

[QuebecCard]

My take is that Kyler is probably very aware of the history of this franchise and is probably being advised we want to get a commitment from them they're going to try and put good players around you and build a foundation. That is getting Watt and Green and Hudson was great but you gotta do your job in the draft to get YOUNG talent so you don't have to keep bringing in veterans to cover holes due to bad drafting. I think that's a good thing. Saying we'll take less money(cap hit probably not actually less money) to help you sign guys is great, I think that's in part about Christian Kirk.

But it's gotta be handled better, the agent appears to be making things worse and Kyler should have handled his end of it better too.

At least we know that they're smart enough to get that if he really wants a commitment part of that is HIM committing by being willing to help the team sign FA"s and retain their own players

True, but KM doesn't give a crap whether he's throwing to products of the draft or FA. (IMO)

 

[QuebecCard]

This is no win for fans. It sucks.

Either we sign him to an extension he hasn't earned thus removing any incentive he has to address the short comings he isn't addressing.

Or he doesn't and forces a trade, or holds out, or plays but like crap.

Trying to imagine how playing like 'crap' advances his goals and can't think of a solitary one.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I think it's highly likely he's aware we have a history with contracts and players, just from the guys on the current team since he's been here he's probably heard it from PP, Chandler etc. I guarantee his agent has made him aware of it that's why they're handling it the way they are asking for the extension IMO.

If we were months down the line it might make sense, but he/they are asking for it prematurely compared to other recent young QBs. This is not on the Cards front office. They are not under any obligation to extend Kyler immediately. That's ridiculous. And going public with this kind of negotiation when you're a player who keeps crapping the bed on the field when it matters is beyond ridiculous. Is he unable to focus, practice, or not watch game tapes without being compensated? My heart goes out to the millionaire crybaby.

 

[unseenaz]

Trying to imagine how playing like 'crap' advances his goals and can't think of a solitary one.

Not like he’s going to choose to, but if he becomes a malcontent that will come with the territory

 

[Russ Smith]

True, but KM doesn't give a crap whether he's throwing to products of the draft or FA. (IMO)

I think he does. AS the season went on you could see how frustrated he got with AJ Green and with some of the OL. Now some of that is his fault too but I think he grasps that what people around the NFL were saying was true, because of bad drafts the cards had to sign veterans to cover holes and as a result we had very weak depth.

If we don't blow the pick with Isabella and some others we probably don't see AJ Green looking the wrong way or Andy standing on the sideline not even dressed etc.

 

[Russ Smith]

If we were months down the line it might make sense, but he/they are asking for it prematurely compared to other recent young QBs. This is not on the Cards front office. They are not under any obligation to extend Kyler immediately. That's ridiculous. And going public with this kind of negotiation when you're a player who keeps crapping the bed on the field when it matters is beyond ridiculous. Is he unable to focus, practice, or not watch game tapes without being compensated? My heart goes out to the millionaire crybaby.

The way I read his agents comments was we sent them a written contract proposal which includes an extension that would LOWER his cap hit so the team has more money to spend retaining it's own and signing new FA's. Now I think that's also worded to make his client look good, clearly they want the extension for selfish reasons too. But I think they get that this franchise has had issues over the years with contracts and they wanted to put it out there we want an extension, we're committed to this franchise, we're willing to help lower Kyler's cap hit, but want something in return, a commitment from the team.

The idea makes sense the execution was terrible IMO

 

[QuebecCard]

I think he does. AS the season went on you could see how frustrated he got with AJ Green and with some of the OL. Now some of that is his fault too but I think he grasps that what people around the NFL were saying was true, because of bad drafts the cards had to sign veterans to cover holes and as a result we had very weak depth.

If we don't blow the pick with Isabella and some others we probably don't see AJ Green looking the wrong way or Andy standing on the sideline not even dressed etc.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Russ Smith]

Agree to disagree.

Fair enough. I'm just saying it's been stated repeatedly he wanted us to draft Cee Dee Lamb and that he wanted us to draft an OL and we took 2 LB's. I don't think it's a stretch to suggest he's not happy with some of the draft picks, because it's been widely reported he wasn't.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

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[Brian in Mesa]

Fair enough. I'm just saying it's been stated repeatedly he wanted us to draft Cee Dee Lamb and that he wanted us to draft an OL and we took 2 LB's. I don't think it's a stretch to suggest he's not happy with some of the draft picks, because it's been widely reported he wasn't.

This isn't a Madden league or fantasy football. It's the NFL.

 

[forever red]

For his entire life Kyler Murray has been coddled. From the time he was in Pop Warner through Junior high and high school it is apparent no adult has ever had the intestinal fortitude to a call him out or hold him accountable. Even in college his athletic skills were so extraordinary that no one dared challenge him. As a result,through no fault of his own,but rather the fault of his coaches , family , and friends Kyle has become the classic me first prim a dona. He believes the world and therefor the Cardinals organization and his teammates all revolve around what's best for Kyler. I hope the Cardinals front office has the guts to call his bluff and make it clear to him that unless he grows up and becomes a true leader he will never get the contract he is looking for. And if that means he leaves the Cardinals so be it. Someone in this society has to have the gumption to not talented but spoiled athletes call all the shots.

 

[Krangodnzr]

The way I read his agents comments was we sent them a written contract proposal which includes an extension that would LOWER his cap hit so the team has more money to spend retaining it's own and signing new FA's. Now I think that's also worded to make his client look good, clearly they want the extension for selfish reasons too. But I think they get that this franchise has had issues over the years with contracts and they wanted to put it out there we want an extension, we're committed to this franchise, we're willing to help lower Kyler's cap hit, but want something in return, a commitment from the team.

The idea makes sense the execution was terrible IMO

Signing his extension NOW makes the most sense from a cap perspective since you could spread out the bonus money.

It doesn't make sense if you can't agree on the structure or if you want Kyler for the next 6 years or so.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Bb

you don’t need to side with anyone. They’re all culpable in their own way. Just hope a deal is done and that it doesn’t cash-strap the franchise for years to come

this,

And this all blows.

 

[unseenaz]

Signing his extension NOW makes the most sense from a cap perspective since you could spread out the bonus money.

It doesn't make sense if you can't agree on the structure or if you want Kyler for the next 6 years or so.

unless you are unsure of what yearly number he deserves, and would like to let him play his final contractual year

 

[Russ Smith]

This isn't a Madden league or fantasy football. It's the NFL.

I don't follow, Lamb was on the board, as was Jeudy, we took a LB. There were also reports Kyler had said he really wanted us to pick an OL, don't know if he meant Wirfs but he was on the board. Last year again there was talk Kyler wanted an OL and we took collins.

The team was 3-13 with one of the worst offenses in NFL history the year before we picked Kyler. Since Kyler was picked we have drafted exactly 3 offensive players in the first 3 rounds of the draft, Isabella(2) the same year as Kyler, Josh Jones(3) the next year, and Rondale Moore (2) last year. Generally when teams are bad enough to get the first overall pick and they take a QB, they then start to try and surround him with talent.

We did a GREAT job getting D Hop, we did a great job getting Hudson, we did a great job trading for Ertz, but I don't think it's wrong to say if we'd drafted better we wouldn't have needed to sign Green, trade for Hudson etc

 

[Krangodnzr]

you don’t need to side with anyone. They’re all culpable in their own way. Just hope a deal is done and that it doesn’t cash-strap the franchise for years to come

The problem rests with the idea that the players are going to usually take the players side of things. Pat Peterson comes off as a self absorbed jerk, but a lot of other players would listen to his perspective on working for the Cardinals.

 

[kerouac9]

Signing his extension NOW makes the most sense from a cap perspective since you could spread out the bonus money.

It doesn't make sense if you can't agree on the structure or if you want Kyler for the next 6 years or so.

I think you can only spread out the bonus money for five years at a time anyway.

This is about the agent not getting a return call from Keim IMO. You start negotiating in February so you can announce the mega-deal in August. Everyone in the NFL goes on vacation for a month after the draft. If you haven’t measured up the terms of the deal in a general sense, you’re gonna get pushed off for a year.

The agent’s job is to advocate for his client to get more money as soon as possible. He seems to be doing okay at that.

I said this at the start of the offseason that Kyler and the Cards probably have really different understandings of where he is right now. I think it’s pretty clear that it hasn’t been communicated the right way.

Of course, you have a ton of people dropping snake emoji on Keim and a lot of people saying that Kyler’s agent is a stand up guy.

 

[tnmike]

For his entire life Kyler Murray has been coddled. From the time he was in Pop Warner through Junior high and high school it is apparent no adult has ever had the intestinal fortitude to a call him out or hold him accountable. Even in college his athletic skills were so extraordinary that no one dared challenge him. As a result,through no fault of his own,but rather the fault of his coaches , family , and friends Kyle has become the classic me first prim a dona. He believes the world and therefor the Cardinals organization and his teammates all revolve around what's best for Kyler. I hope the Cardinals front office has the guts to call his bluff and make it clear to him that unless he grows up and becomes a true leader he will never get the contract he is looking for. And if that means he leaves the Cardinals so be it. Someone in this society has to have the gumption to not talented but spoiled athletes call all the shots.

And you know all of this how?