Let’s Take a Moment to Overreact to Kyler’s IG Page

[DVontel]

Michal Menet, C, Penn State
Eno Benjamin, RB, Arizona State
Hakeem Butler, WR, Iowa State
KeeSean Johnson, WR, Fresno State
Lamont Gaillard, C, Georgia
Joshua Miles, OT, Morgan State
Caleb Wilson, TE, UCLA

This is hilarious.

 

[BritCard]

Ok but look at the Packers game where the season went south, leads us right down the field for a game winning TD, AJ Green apparently missed an audible not really sure looks the wrong way ball is picked off. Kyler did damn near everything right on that last drive to win that game against a good team, we lost and you could see how crushed he was.

My point is if a guy doesn't hate to lose then it's not worth keeping him, Kyler does hate to lose so now we have to find the right levers to flip to get him to the next level.

I'm old enough to remember the first offseason in Denver when Jake Plummer said the offseason program there was totally different from the Cards and he could tell he was with a real team now. And then the Cards leaked to reporters that in fact Jake Plummer not ONCE in his Cards career attended offseason workouts! He was throwing the team under the bus for something he didn't do. ANd what infuriated me the most about that is they let him do that, for SIX years! Covid has impacted 2 of Kyler's seasons but IMO he's already shown far more interest in being great than Jake ever did.

Jake didn't get the support he needed from the franchise, and IMO he took advantage of it and coasted and that's why in Denver even when winning big and playing well, Shanahan wanted to move on from him. He got it, this guy is who he is, i can scheme him better but in the end he just doesn't want to work hard enough to fix the things he's not good at.

I don't want us to get that far along with Kyler so I think it's good this stuff is coming out now so we can fix it. If they really think he doesn't care by all means trade him, I just don't think that's what they think

Yes, but Kyler has to believe there is something he needs to fix and I just don't think he does.

 

[DVontel]

Same song & dance.

Everyone here, repeatedly, has said in some form that Kyler has been acting like a jackass about this situation & has preached he folded down the stretch & needs to become a better leader. Repeatedly.

It’s only a select few that won’t or can’t come to realization that are other major problems around the organization. They get mad when that is pointed out due to not it being solely Kyler slander 24/7, even though everyone here has blamed Kyler’s play nonstop.

Credit to Keim. He has swindled those few.


Same song & dance.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yes, but Kyler has to believe there is something he needs to fix and I just don't think he does.

I guess we'll see

 

[QuebecCard]

For his entire life Kyler Murray has been coddled. From the time he was in Pop Warner through Junior high and high school it is apparent no adult has ever had the intestinal fortitude to a call him out or hold him accountable. Even in college his athletic skills were so extraordinary that no one dared challenge him. As a result,through no fault of his own,but rather the fault of his coaches , family , and friends Kyle has become the classic me first prim a dona. He believes the world and therefor the Cardinals organization and his teammates all revolve around what's best for Kyler. I hope the Cardinals front office has the guts to call his bluff and make it clear to him that unless he grows up and becomes a true leader he will never get the contract he is looking for. And if that means he leaves the Cardinals so be it. Someone in this society has to have the gumption to not talented but spoiled athletes call all the shots.

In football, the world in fact revolves around the QB.

So what!

This is the business end of the game, and why anyone would get their shorts in a knot over the point-counterpoint between millionaires and billionaires is beyond me.

 

[QuebecCard]

Trying to think how the current strategy advances his goal and can't think of one either.

Do you actually think that an agent going public with contract demands is novel?

 

[82CardsGrad]

Same song & dance.

Everyone here, repeatedly, has said in some form that Kyler has been acting like a jackass about this situation & has preached he folded down the stretch & needs to become a better leader. Repeatedly.

It’s only a select few that won’t or can’t come to realization that are other major problems around the organization. They get mad when that is pointed out due to not it being solely Kyler slander 24/7, even though everyone here has blamed Kyler’s play nonstop.

Credit to Keim. He has swindled those few.


Same song & dance.

Why does it have to be all or nothing? Why can't Keim's shortcomings be an issue, and Kyler's issues be a bigger issue? I mean, that's really the case, even though you refuse to see it that way.

 

[DVontel]

Why does it have to be all or nothing? Why can't Keim's shortcomings be an issue, and Kyler's issues be a bigger issue? I mean, that's really the case, even though you refuse to see it that way.

I want you to reread my post, then you reread what you said here

Why does it have to be all or nothing?

Read it real slowly & thoroughly if you need to so it can make sense to you.

 

[QuebecCard]

He does hate to lose.

The problem is he never thinks he's the reason he loses. He's the test tube QB that missed the height gene in his mind. Born for it. Naturally gifted.

When you don't think you're at fault you don't put the work in to get better.

He doesn't need to get better. Everyone else does.

Walter the mindreader is that you?

 

[juza76]

Walter the mindreader is that you?

Guess he just finished to read zeno's conscience

 

[WeBlitz]

Why does it have to be all or nothing? Why can't Keim's shortcomings be an issue, and Kyler's issues be a bigger issue? I mean, that's really the case, even though you refuse to see it that way.

I would be all for blaming Kyler single-handily if Keim’s shortcomings weren’t a huge issue even before Kyler got drafted here.

 

[gimpy]

What qb is out there that the Cards could realistically expect to get that would give us a good chance to win 11 games?

 

[82CardsGrad]

I want you to reread my post, then you reread what you said here

Read it real slowly & thoroughly if you need to so it can make sense to you.

So... do you believe Kyler, among the other "issues," is tops on the list?

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

First time in franchise history we have a QB good enough to create controversy over a new contract . New territory for everybody

 

[DVontel]

So... do you believe Kyler, among the other "issues," is tops on the list?

No, because Keim’s “issues” were well-documented before Kyler even got here.

However, I can acknowledge Kyler has some huge issues. I can acknowledge has been a huge jackass about this situation. I can acknowledge he has big flaws he needs to work on. I admitted countless times already.

I’m sure it’s you struggling to acknowledge that are huge issues that aren’t just him.

Be honest with yourself, if I just solely slandered Kyler in that post, you wouldn’t have even replied with a countered-post. There wouldn’t have been “Why does it have to be all or nothing?” response from you. You would’ve gave it a “Like” & moved on about your day.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You're moving the goal posts. The question is to extend him or not and, in this theoretical scenario, the decision has to be made this offseason. I don't care about Keim and his terrible drafting in that scenario. I care about what Kyler has done, or rather hasn't done. Without knowing if he'll suddenly "get it," and with only a thin veneer of hope that the light will finally come on, I would punt and get the biggest haul possible.

Except that I am not. If we hope to get better in the playoffs and possibly the Superbowl, we need to accomplish what I said. Kyler's immaturity is not what is holding us from the being successful.

 

[82CardsGrad]

No, because Keim’s “issues” were well-documented before Kyler even got here.

However, I can acknowledge Kyler has some huge issues. I can acknowledge has been a huge jackass about this situation. I can acknowledge he has big flaws he needs to work on. I admitted countless times already.

I’m sure it’s you struggling to acknowledge that are huge issues that aren’t just him.

Be honest with yourself, if I just solely slandered Kyler in that post, you wouldn’t have even replied with a countered-post. There wouldn’t have been “Why does it have to be all or nothing?” response from you. You would’ve gave it a “Like” & moved on about your day.

My concerns and questions about Keim are well-chronicled here... Heck, he's the guy who hired Kliffy and drafted Kyler after all.
However, he also put enough talent around Kyler to elevate this team from 3 wins to 11 wins and a playoff birth - unless you believe that all happened courtesy of Kyler alone?
With all of Keim's shortcomings, this team was good enough to go 7 & 0 and 10 & 2 in 2021. Good enough to go 5 & 2 and 8 & 6 in 2020 needing just one more win to reach the post season... So while I can indeed associates a portion of those massive failures to Keim, I am entirely confident in associating the primary reason for those failure with the starting, out-of-this-world talented QB...and of course, the bumbling fool of a head coach.
So yea... if you wrote about the primary reason for our ineptitude, I would've given you a thumbs up.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

What qb is out there that the Cards could realistically expect to get that would give us a good chance to win 11 games?

If everyone on here is thinking it will take $40 million/year to sign KM, would you just trade for Double A Ron Rodgers and pay him the $50 million he reportedly wants?

 

[Russ Smith]

If everyone on here is thinking it will take $40 million/year to sign KM, would you just trade for Double A Ron Rodgers and pay him the $50 million he reportedly wants?

no and neither would GB. Rodgers just won't play long enough IMO to make that a viable deal. And GB isn't going to trade for a guy who wants a huge contract and hasn't proven he can play in extreme cold weather.

If the Cards are going to wind up shopping Murray it's going to be to teams in Texas, or the Dolphins, or Broncos etc. Teams that either have a hometown connection(Texas) or teams that need a QB to get to the next step and have picks/pieces to move to get him.

Denver's problem is they don't have the QB to give back, and they don't pick high enough, Jeudy, Lock and some picks won't get you Kyler Murray.

We discussed Philly before they have picks and talent but the Cards aren't trading Kyler for Minshew and a bunch of picks and I like Minshew but not that much.

My guess is he's going to be a Cardinal when the season starts and he's going to have his best year in the NFL. But if things fall apart now it's going to be because of his agent doing that. I don't blame Kyler for wanting some guarantees from this franchise but he should be doing that without the other stuff. I don't see why they made that letter public.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

My concerns and questions about Keim are well-chronicled here... Heck, he's the guy who hired Kliffy and drafted Kyler after all.

Pre-draft all the talk was about how Keim was drafting Kyler simply to make up for not drafting Russell Wilson years earlier. A great reason to draft a mini-me QB with very limited college experience (but loads of terrific high school experience). I am guessing that a more in-depth look into Kyler (as a person, as a "leader") would have shown many of the concerns that we are currently dealing with...

 

[Chris_Sanders]

This sucks so much. Awfulness everywhere

 

[Brian in Mesa]

This sucks so much. Awfulness everywhere

The craziest thing of all - with as many obvious issues there are between the three K's (Keim, Kliff, and Kyler) we still won 11 games and literally controlled our destiny until crapping the bed late in the season/postseason. The reason so many of us are so upset isn't that we suck, but because we had the potential to do something amazing - and then we sucked.

 

[cardncubfan]

Kyler is not a student of the game or aware of the history of the NFL yet alone the Cardinals. He only knows what others tell him. When asked a question about being in the playoffs (before that debacle of a game) he said "It's been who knows how long since this team was in the playoffs..." Uh, the team was in the NFC Championship game only 5 years earlier. Someone with knowledge of the Cardinals' recent history would know that much. You'd think a potential franchise QB following in the footsteps of Warner and Palmer would study what went on before he arrived in town.

Keim put that team together as well but he's incompetent according to some.

 

[kerouac9]

The craziest thing of all - with as many obvious issues there are between the three K's (Keim, Kliff, and Kyler) we still won 11 games and literally controlled our destiny until crapping the bed late in the season/postseason. The reason so many of us are so upset isn't that we suck, but because we had the potential to do something amazing - and then we sucked.

Part of the reason that Keim bears the responsibility that many are placing on him is because that kind of result was likely based on the roster assembled.

Aging, injury-prone veterans are likely to produce early in the season and tail off or be injured late. Keim had failed to build a roster that can be resilient in the face of that probable but not inevitable outcome.

 

[GatorAZ]

If everyone on here is thinking it will take $40 million/year to sign KM, would you just trade for Double A Ron Rodgers and pay him the $50 million he reportedly wants?

He’s just saying that to scare the Packers away from keeping him. I would rather have A-Aron for the next few years age/weirdness and all.