Let’s Take a Moment to Overreact to Kyler’s IG Page

[PJ1]

Oh I loved Neil don't get me wrong just saying at the same stages of their careers, Kyler is better IMO.

After 3 years at 24 years of age these were Lomax's stats

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	Sk	Yds	Sk%	NY/A	ANY/A	4QC	GWD	AV	Awards
1981	22	STL	qb	15	14	7	4-3-0	119	236	50.4	1575	4	1.7	10	4.2	75	6.7	5.1	13.2	112.5	59.9	32	286	11.9	4.81	3.43	0	1	6
1982	23	STL	QB	15	9	9	5-4-0	109	205	53.2	1367	5	2.4	6	2.9	42	6.7	5.8	12.5	151.9	70.1	31	234	13.1	4.80	4.08	1	1	9
1983	24	STL	QB	15	13	13	7-5-1	209	354	59	2636	24	6.8	11	3.1	71	7.4	7.4	12.6	202.8	92.0	43	315	10.8	5.85	5.81	1	1	10

Across the board better by Kyler but again you can't compare across eras, completion %'s are way higher now, as are passing TD's due to rules changes.

But at the same stage, it's pretty hard to argue Kyler wasn't better.

The next year 84 was the best for Lomax, let's hope Kyler has his best year this coming season too.

Ok. I thought this was just a flat out comparison. Not a point in time. Lomax as a pure pocket passer is something I don’t believe KM will achieve. JMHO

 

[Russ Smith]

Ok. I thought this was just a flat out comparison. Not a point in time. Lomax as a pure pocket passer is something I don’t believe KM will achieve. JMHO

yeah I just meant same stage. Lomax was a better pocket passer, although to be fair part of why Neil got sacked so much is he held the ball so long because the Cards offense wanted to push the ball downfield. He definitely stood in the pocket better than Kyler does.

 

[Stout]

Light years away? Ridiculous statement. John Skelton was light years away. We're all entitled to our opinions I guess. Because you didn't get your way back on Draft Night 2019, you hold on to your jaded view of Murray. Your entitled to that, but your views don't hold water. He has improved each year, we have improved each year. OROY, 2 Pro Bowls, already holds certain Cardinal records & certain NFL records over his first 3 seasons. Murray has taken the worst Cardinal team in franchise history to 11 wins & a playoff berth in 3 years. Regardless of the path & regardless of how they played in the 1 playoff game, that is still a ton of progress. Again, IMO your opinion looks foolish when you look at his body of work. Yor extend him, he has to continue to improve (and he will), and you put weapons around him. I was listening to Peyton Manning gush over Murray just a few nights ago. Said Murray is considerably better than he was at the same stage in their careers & crazy impressive because Murray only played 1 year of college football.

He refused to re-enter a playoff game. A PLAYOFF GAME! To say he ISN'T light-years away mentally is a "ridiculous" statement. There's no denying he has physical talent and the talent to become great; no one here has ever denied that. There's also no denying that he needs to change his approach, mature a lot in the offseason, and make this team better.

Why do you and others blindly praise him from one side of your mouth (keyboard) and then make all kinds of excuses for his deficits with the "if only half the team were better" claims on the other? And I quote, "He can be a great NFL QB if he works hard, becomes more emotionally mature AND the Cardinal FO improves the OL, DL, WR depth, and the secondary." Your words. No, you can be a great QB on a crappy team and elevate them to be better. You can be a great QB on a crappy team and fail to win in the playoffs, then the understanding is it isn't on the QB. But a "star" QB that is only a "star" when everything is perfect around him isn't a star. Yet.

 

[Stout]

I wouldn't say light years.

The biggest issue with Murray coming out from college was his lack of game snaps. Murray's first two years were essentially making up for his lack of college snaps.

He does need to get a lot better. While he makes some amazing plays that few players in the history of the NFL could make (HAIL MURRAY!?!?), he struggles at times on the routine aspects of NFL QBing. I'm 100% confident he will get there barring injury. Never been more confident about a QB doing that, but what I fear, is that he will alienate people here in Arizona with his attitude and go on to have a long propserous career elsewhere.

Mentally? Absolutely light years. We could go through the merry-go-round of why and what's wrong, which everyone on this board knows about. Or we could just say he refused to go back into a playoff game. He is, unquestionably, light years away from where he needs to be mentally. At least he was at the end of the season.

Can that change? Sure. Can he mature the way he needs to? Absolutely. It's possible. I just don't think it's probable, or that he'll mature fast enough. I mean, he has to do a compete 180 attitude-wise, and he needs to do it this offseason. He no longer gets years and years and years with the "oh, he's young, he's got time" excuses. His basic attitude needs to change now.

 

[PACardsFan]

Agree tough to compare but I will take Lomax as a pure passer over KM any day. KM running ability an advantage but if I need a late game drive with little time left I choose Lomax every time.

I'm sure that you're comparing Lomax in his prime to a 24 year old Murray. KM has a HUGE advantage with both his legs & ability to make the 1st guy miss. Lomax always a sack waiting to happen. He was sacked 61 times in 85, and never returned to his 84 form (4600 yds, 28 tds/16 picks) after being shellshocked from all the hits he took that year. KM's arm is every bit of what Lomax's was, and he's more accurate than Lomax was. I was a HUGE Lomax fan, but he was not as good as Murray.

 

[gimpy]

He refused to re-enter a playoff game. A PLAYOFF GAME! To say he ISN'T light-years away mentally is a "ridiculous" statement. There's no denying he has physical talent and the talent to become great; no one here has ever denied that. There's also no denying that he needs to change his approach, mature a lot in the offseason, and make this team better.

Why do you and others blindly praise him from one side of your mouth (keyboard) and then make all kinds of excuses for his deficits with the "if only half the team were better" claims on the other? And I quote, "He can be a great NFL QB if he works hard, becomes more emotionally mature AND the Cardinal FO improves the OL, DL, WR depth, and the secondary." Your words. No, you can be a great QB on a crappy team and elevate them to be better. You can be a great QB on a crappy team and fail to win in the playoffs, then the understanding is it isn't on the QB. But a "star" QB that is only a "star" when everything is perfect around him isn't a star. Yet.

Ala Matt Stafford?

 

[PACardsFan]

He refused to re-enter a playoff game. A PLAYOFF GAME! To say he ISN'T light-years away mentally is a "ridiculous" statement. There's no denying he has physical talent and the talent to become great; no one here has ever denied that. There's also no denying that he needs to change his approach, mature a lot in the offseason, and make this team better.

Why do you and others blindly praise him from one side of your mouth (keyboard) and then make all kinds of excuses for his deficits with the "if only half the team were better" claims on the other? And I quote, "He can be a great NFL QB if he works hard, becomes more emotionally mature AND the Cardinal FO improves the OL, DL, WR depth, and the secondary." Your words. No, you can be a great QB on a crappy team and elevate them to be better. You can be a great QB on a crappy team and fail to win in the playoffs, then the understanding is it isn't on the QB. But a "star" QB that is only a "star" when everything is perfect around him isn't a star. Yet.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm not going to argue with someone who just won't accept the fact that Murray is the BEST young QB that we have EVER had. TRUTH is, that it would be idiotic to not extend him. With all the injuries we had down the stretch, I don't believe any QB in the NFL would have fared any better against the Rams in that playoff game. Our D did absolutely nothing to even help our offense to even have a chance in that game. By comparison, the Niners offense was just as bad in the 1st half of their game against the Packers. But, their D completely shut down a future HOF QB to give Garoppolo the opportunity to find just a little bit, but enough to win. Murray was not afforded that opportunity NOT ONCE in any game down the stretch. So, IMO, it's a dumb comment on your part to say that a QB doesn't need an OL, DL, WR depth, and a secondary in order to be great & take his team to the next level. We'll agree to disagree.

 

[Krangodnzr]

You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm not going to argue with someone who just won't accept the fact that Murray is the BEST young QB that we have EVER had. TRUTH is, that it would be idiotic to not extend him. With all the injuries we had down the stretch, I don't believe any QB in the NFL would have fared any better against the Rams in that playoff game. Our D did absolutely nothing to even help our offense to even have a chance in that game. By comparison, the Niners offense was just as bad in the 1st half of their game against the Packers. But, their D completely shut down a future HOF QB to give Garoppolo the opportunity to find just a little bit, but enough to win. Murray was not afforded that opportunity NOT ONCE in any game down the stretch. So, IMO, it's a dumb comment on your part to say that a QB doesn't need an OL, DL, WR depth, and a secondary in order to be great & take his team to the next level. We'll agree to disagree.

I agree that Murray is the best young QB this team has maybe ever had, but I diverge in the fact that I think Murray crumbled down the stretch.

But he is a damn kid still. And he isn't playing on a world beater team. He needs to get better, but he is also a guy to build around. Both ideas can be true at the same time.

 

[PACardsFan]

If he cannot master the social part of the game (communication, being a leader) he will continue to alienate fans and teammates alike. If he cannot play with minor injuries without completely sucking the second half of most seasons he won't have a long prosperous career anywhere.

To say that Murray "completely" sucked the 2nd half of the season is totally false. Too many naysayers on this board have allowed the playoff game stats to try to lead people to believe that's how bad he was during the 2nd half of the season:
Week 13 @ Bears in horrible weather
11/15/123, 2 tds, 0 ints
59 rushing yards, 2 more touchdowns
VERY GOOD game

Week 14 vs Rams (lost 30-23)
32/49/383 yard, 0 tds/ 2 picks
61 yards rushing
Don't like the picks at all, but did account for 444 yards of offense. that does NOT completely suck

Week 15 @ Detroit (lost 30-12)
23/41/257, 1 td, 1 pick
3 rushing yards
This was a poor game by EVERYONE, including Murray

Week 16 vs Colts (lost 22-16)
27/43/245, 1 td, 0 picks
74 yards rushing
Not eye opening, but did create 320 yards of offense & didn't turn the ball over. Definitely NOT "completely sucks"

Week 17 beat Cowboys 25-22
26/38/263, 2 tds, 0 picks
44 yards rushing
VERY efficient game. Another game where he didn't completely suck, as you stated he did.

Week 18 lost to Seattle 38-30
28/39/240, 1 td, 0 picks
35 rushing yards
Again, not in the completely sucks category. What did suck was the 202 yards rushing that our D gave up

 

[Krangodnzr]

Mentally? Absolutely light years. We could go through the merry-go-round of why and what's wrong, which everyone on this board knows about. Or we could just say he refused to go back into a playoff game. He is, unquestionably, light years away from where he needs to be mentally. At least he was at the end of the season.

Can that change? Sure. Can he mature the way he needs to? Absolutely. It's possible. I just don't think it's probable, or that he'll mature fast enough. I mean, he has to do a compete 180 attitude-wise, and he needs to do it this offseason. He no longer gets years and years and years with the "oh, he's young, he's got time" excuses. His basic attitude needs to change now.

The easiest thing you can change is your attitude.

It's not like you are saying that he needs to learn conversational Mandarin.

He is still a kid. Sure he's likely been coddled his entire life, but people tend to mature as they get older. Look at Rodgers..dudes still a douche this many years later.

 

[PACardsFan]

I agree that Murray is the best young QB this team has maybe ever had, but I diverge in the fact that I think Murray crumbled down the stretch.

But he is a damn kid still. And he isn't playing on a world beater team. He needs to get better, but he is also a guy to build around. Both ideas can be true at the same time.

Other than the Lions game, I certainly do not see this as "crumbling". You might say as a team they crumbled. Many factors went into that. Murray's play was the least of those factors.


Week 13 @ Bears in horrible weather
11/15/123, 2 tds, 0 ints
59 rushing yards, 2 more touchdowns
VERY GOOD game

Week 14 vs Rams (lost 30-23)
32/49/383 yard, 0 tds/ 2 picks
61 yards rushing
Don't like the picks at all, but did account for 444 yards of offense. that does NOT completely suck

Week 15 @ Detroit (lost 30-12)
23/41/257, 1 td, 1 pick
3 rushing yards
This was a poor game by EVERYONE, including Murray

Week 16 vs Colts (lost 22-16)
27/43/245, 1 td, 0 picks
74 yards rushing
Not eye opening, but did create 320 yards of offense & didn't turn the ball over. Definitely NOT "completely sucks"

Week 17 beat Cowboys 25-22
26/38/263, 2 tds, 0 picks
44 yards rushing
VERY efficient game. Another game where he didn't completely suck, as you stated he did.

Week 18 lost to Seattle 38-30
28/39/240, 1 td, 0 picks
35 rushing yards
Again, not in the completely sucks category. What did suck was the 202 yards rushing that our D gave up

 

[JohnnyCakes]

To say that Murray "completely" sucked the 2nd half of the season is totally false. Too many naysayers on this board have allowed the playoff game stats to try to lead people to believe that's how bad he was during the 2nd half of the season:
Week 13 @ Bears in horrible weather
11/15/123, 2 tds, 0 ints
59 rushing yards, 2 more touchdowns
VERY GOOD game

Week 14 vs Rams (lost 30-23)
32/49/383 yard, 0 tds/ 2 picks
61 yards rushing
Don't like the picks at all, but did account for 444 yards of offense. that does NOT completely suck

Week 15 @ Detroit (lost 30-12)
23/41/257, 1 td, 1 pick
3 rushing yards
This was a poor game by EVERYONE, including Murray

Week 16 vs Colts (lost 22-16)
27/43/245, 1 td, 0 picks
74 yards rushing
Not eye opening, but did create 320 yards of offense & didn't turn the ball over. Definitely NOT "completely sucks"

Week 17 beat Cowboys 25-22
26/38/263, 2 tds, 0 picks
44 yards rushing
VERY efficient game. Another game where he didn't completely suck, as you stated he did.

Week 18 lost to Seattle 38-30
28/39/240, 1 td, 0 picks
35 rushing yards
Again, not in the completely sucks category. What did suck was the 202 yards rushing that our D gave up

I agree with you on all this except your notes on detroit game, he had a couple prevent D chunk plays to get to that mundane 252 yards. Murray was not a franchise QB that game, he was awful

 

[PACardsFan]

I agree with you on all this except your notes on detroit game, he had a couple prevent D chunk plays to get to that mundane 252 yards. Murray was not a franchise QB that game, he was awful

I did say he was bad in the Detroit game. Everyone was bad that day.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

8-1 to 11-6 (plus the playoff loss equals 11-7). Bad second half of the season no matter how you slice it. Second year in a row where we couldn't win any playoff-clinching games despite everything being laid out nicely for us. Home record of 3-5 which was pathetic. Everyone talks of improvement, but we really have a lot further to go.

 

[PJ1]

I'm sure that you're comparing Lomax in his prime to a 24 year old Murray. KM has a HUGE advantage with both his legs & ability to make the 1st guy miss. Lomax always a sack waiting to happen. He was sacked 61 times in 85, and never returned to his 84 form (4600 yds, 28 tds/16 picks) after being shellshocked from all the hits he took that year. KM's arm is every bit of what Lomax's was, and he's more accurate than Lomax was. I was a HUGE Lomax fan, but he was not as good as Murray.

I am comparing Lomax in his prime as a pocket passer to Murray now. They both throw a good long ball but intermediate and short throws I take Lomax all day. Same with reading a defense. Murray running ability is far better than most all QB’s. You may believe Murray will get much better than he is now. I am not so sure.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Other than the Lions game, I certainly do not see this as "crumbling". You might say as a team they crumbled. Many factors went into that. Murray's play was the least of those factors.


Week 13 @ Bears in horrible weather
11/15/123, 2 tds, 0 ints
59 rushing yards, 2 more touchdowns
VERY GOOD game

Week 14 vs Rams (lost 30-23)
32/49/383 yard, 0 tds/ 2 picks
61 yards rushing
Don't like the picks at all, but did account for 444 yards of offense. that does NOT completely suck

He crumbled leading the offense all game long. Look at the drive results. And his INTs were crippling plays....one ended a scoring drive, the other led to the Rams having the ball deep in Cardinals territory.

Week 15 @ Detroit (lost 30-12)
23/41/257, 1 td, 1 pick
3 rushing yards
This was a poor game by EVERYONE, including Murray

Yep.

Week 16 vs Colts (lost 22-16)
27/43/245, 1 td, 0 picks
74 yards rushing
Not eye opening, but did create 320 yards of offense & didn't turn the ball over. Definitely NOT "completely sucks"

Again, he failed to lead scoring drives. There were opportunities.

Week 17 beat Cowboys 25-22
26/38/263, 2 tds, 0 picks
44 yards rushing
VERY efficient game. Another game where he didn't completely suck, as you stated he did.

Nope never said that. In fact if you read the entirety of what I've said on this topic, Murray played well in the Cowboys and Bears games...and that's it.

Week 18 lost to Seattle 38-30
28/39/240, 1 td, 0 picks
35 rushing yards
Again, not in the completely sucks category. What did suck was the 202 yards rushing that our D gave up

Not including sacks, eh? He took some awful sacks that ended drives where he was at fault. And one TD? He wasn't good in this game either. You have to remember that a good chunk of those rushing yards came on ONE carry when the game was pretty much already over.

Murray played his worst football down the stretch. He had a few meh games early in the year, but he didn't have a stretch of six games where he didn't play well in four of them. If the Cardinals win ONE more, they are NFC West Champions.

 

[QuebecCard]

If he cannot master the social part of the game (communication, being a leader) he will continue to alienate fans and teammates alike. If he cannot play with minor injuries without completely sucking the second half of most seasons he won't have a long prosperous career anywhere.

1. Let's not confuse fans with teammates. You may have some sense of the feeling in the former but none amongst the latter.
2. A sprained ankle to a QB who depends on mobility is not a minor injury.

 

[wit3card]

Other than the Lions game, I certainly do not see this as "crumbling". You might say as a team they crumbled. Many factors went into that. Murray's play was the least of those factors.


Week 13 @ Bears in horrible weather
11/15/123, 2 tds, 0 ints
59 rushing yards, 2 more touchdowns
VERY GOOD game

Week 14 vs Rams (lost 30-23)
32/49/383 yard, 0 tds/ 2 picks
61 yards rushing
Don't like the picks at all, but did account for 444 yards of offense. that does NOT completely suck

Week 15 @ Detroit (lost 30-12)
23/41/257, 1 td, 1 pick
3 rushing yards
This was a poor game by EVERYONE, including Murray

Week 16 vs Colts (lost 22-16)
27/43/245, 1 td, 0 picks
74 yards rushing
Not eye opening, but did create 320 yards of offense & didn't turn the ball over. Definitely NOT "completely sucks"

Week 17 beat Cowboys 25-22
26/38/263, 2 tds, 0 picks
44 yards rushing
VERY efficient game. Another game where he didn't completely suck, as you stated he did.

Week 18 lost to Seattle 38-30
28/39/240, 1 td, 0 picks
35 rushing yards
Again, not in the completely sucks category. What did suck was the 202 yards rushing that our D gave up

In todays Pass heavy league a game below 280 passing yards that you don't win, is a bad game. especially if you throw around 40 times...

look the whole team played bad in the second half. I don't know if it's the right time to pay a big chunk to a QB that isn't proved.

Gosh, I'm not even sold on paying any QB more than 15% of the Cap. There is even a good argument to not pay your QB more than 12.5% of the CAP since none has won the SB over that threeshold.

If you are wondering that is this year between 26 and 31.25 Mio $

And I think that sounds about right, since if you allocate 24% (50 Mio Rodgers contract) or 20.65% (asking price by Kyler)of the whole team cap to 1 Person, how you want to get 11 starters on both sides of O and D and still pay ST and the rest of the 53 man rooster. A good WR wants 20 Mio, a middle of the pack WR like Kirk, commands 15 Mio ... a LT 15-20 Mio good C 10 Mio a RB 4-10 Mio proably even more. So if you want at least 2 Targets and somewhat of a O-line you spend 35 Mio for WR, 40 for O-line and than even with 4 first round picks that play on other positions you have around 70 Mio for 41 (1.7 Mio each) players no good CB ~20 Mio, no good TE, RB, OLB, FS/SS or Kicker. Basically with how the Veteran minimum and draft picks are, you need to sign at least 2-3 veteran minimum vage and have 4-7th rounder that can play or are servicable backups. and that still doesn't give you enough money to sign a middle of the Pack OLB,CB, maybe a TE.

This QB need to understand, you can't win alone, they don't do it, not even Brady. Mahomes is seeing what his contract is doing to the team, Prescott as well, Rodgers, Matty Iced and so on...

Your team goes just as far as your talent can bring you and if everyone wants a big contract more than a Ring ... nobody on that team will win one.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I was just asking whether he thought Lomax was a better young prospect than kyler. No commentary on kyler on my part. I ask because I wasn’t a Cardinal fan before they moved to AZ and so I never got to see Lomax at his height.

The only comp I can think for him was back in the day and his contemporary Dan Fouts. I am tempted to say Marino because I saw games when Lomax was on and he was unstoppable, strong arm throwing darts in a limited box of a pocket, but Dan Marino is freaking Dan Marino and I won't let my homerism go that far lol

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[Stout]

You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm not going to argue with someone who just won't accept the fact that Murray is the BEST young QB that we have EVER had. TRUTH is, that it would be idiotic to not extend him. With all the injuries we had down the stretch, I don't believe any QB in the NFL would have fared any better against the Rams in that playoff game. Our D did absolutely nothing to even help our offense to even have a chance in that game. By comparison, the Niners offense was just as bad in the 1st half of their game against the Packers. But, their D completely shut down a future HOF QB to give Garoppolo the opportunity to find just a little bit, but enough to win. Murray was not afforded that opportunity NOT ONCE in any game down the stretch. So, IMO, it's a dumb comment on your part to say that a QB doesn't need an OL, DL, WR depth, and a secondary in order to be great & take his team to the next level. We'll agree to disagree.

So, basically, "Yes, you laid out all this information but NEENER NEENER I DISAGREE?" Got it.

BtW, you said the team nneds to improve all of those positions in order for KM to be great. DL depth helps your team, but literally has no difference as to how great a QB is. Your definition of great is wholly underwhelming. And, BTW, I AGREED before that he's the best young QB we've ever drafted. Not like there's much competition there. smh But, please, return to your isolated "KM is Teflon" world.

 

[Stout]

The easiest thing you can change is your attitude.

It's not like you are saying that he needs to learn conversational Mandarin.

He is still a kid. Sure he's likely been coddled his entire life, but people tend to mature as they get older. Look at Rodgers..dudes still a douche this many years later.

In theory it is, but to a cocksure kid who is so perfect he doesn't need to study because he just "sees" the game, good luck convincing him it even needs changed. That's the problem--will he ever allow himself to be convinced it can change? Has there been anything encouraging since the debacle of a playoff game to suggest this, or has the reverse been true? It sure sounds like he's doubling down on no need to change his approach.

 

[PACardsFan]

He crumbled leading the offense all game long. Look at the drive results. And his INTs were crippling plays....one ended a scoring drive, the other led to the Rams having the ball deep in Cardinals territory.

Yep.

Again, he failed to lead scoring drives. There were opportunities.

Nope never said that. In fact if you read the entirety of what I've said on this topic, Murray played well in the Cowboys and Bears games...and that's it.

Not including sacks, eh? He took some awful sacks that ended drives where he was at fault. And one TD? He wasn't good in this game either. You have to remember that a good chunk of those rushing yards came on ONE carry when the game was pretty much already over.

Murray played his worst football down the stretch. He had a few meh games early in the year, but he didn't have a stretch of six games where he didn't play well in four of them. If the Cardinals win ONE more, they are NFC West Champions.

My bitch is that unless Murray played INSANELY well, everyone immediately said he played horribly. The Cardinals could not win unless Murray was great. And that isn't fair to Murray. Murray may have not been GREAT in EVERY game, but he played well in EVERY game with the exception of the Lions game.

 

[Krangodnzr]

My bitch is that unless Murray played INSANELY well, everyone immediately said he played horribly. The Cardinals could not win unless Murray was great. And that isn't fair to Murray. Murray may have not been GREAT in EVERY game, but he played well in EVERY game with the exception of the Lions game.

I don't know. I think even if Murray wasn't great, he still could have won at least ONE of those games.

And it's a trend with him...his play is noticeably poorer at the end of seasons.

 

[Krangodnzr]

In theory it is, but to a cocksure kid who is so perfect he doesn't need to study because he just "sees" the game, good luck convincing him it even needs changed. That's the problem--will he ever allow himself to be convinced it can change? Has there been anything encouraging since the debacle of a playoff game to suggest this, or has the reverse been true? It sure sounds like he's doubling down on no need to change his approach.

We learn more from failure than we do from success. Murray would be absolutely delusional if he didn't see his own failings. The Cardinals are screwed if that's the case. Time will tell, and anyone who tells you they know what is going to happen is full of it.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Bottom line: Can Kyler make plays IN THE POCKET?
If anyone thinks he can achieve next-level success by scampering around and tossing hail Mary’s while cutting and running from the pocket, you couldn’t be more misinformed…

In his first 3 seasons, he has yet to show an ability to stand in the pocket and make critical throws…
Is that because he literally can’t see over his lineman? Or, does he play scared and simply refuses to absorb the hits (albeit scaled down in the new NFL) that come when you’re committed to winning - A.K.A. standing in the pocket to make the big time throws?

I don’t see this fatal flaw changing… ever.