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The list is very long for sure...Let’s face it, when a team loses in the manner the Cards have lost lately...When a professional sports team demonstrates zero desire to fight... When a team clearly gives up on its coach... yea, the list of issues can be extensive. Such is the case with the Cardinals.
But what stings the most - at least for me, is the brutal reality that as bad as this team has been for two straight seasons now, we are about to enter an even longer period of prolonged ineptitude.
Beginning with the coaching - we all know what needs to happen. Might not happen during this season, but the entire coaching staff needs to go. 100% turnover. There simply can’t be any of them left on this team come January/February.
Worse, we have zero young players to build around... No young core any team needs in order to build a winning foundation. None! Jones, PP and DJ are it. We have one marginal OT in Humphries who still has a ton to prove.
Fitz, Palmer, Dansby, Veldheer, Rucker, Bethea, Boone, Shipley... Most of the current starters on this godforsaken team will be/should be gone next year...
Reddick?? A total non-factor and IMO, hasn’t shown anything worth getting excited about. Badger? Love him but he’s toast. Smoke? JJ Nelson? Jaron Brown? All way too inconsistent to ever be true, full time threats.

So what stings the most is the reality of being, once again, NFC West basement dwellers for many years now. We suck for sure... but the degree of suck is about to be taken to levels we haven’t seen since the Max Hall, DWreck days... Ouch... [emoji35]
 

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At least we have some ammo coming up this next draft.

They need to jettison the pricey dead wood. Give Larry one last chance somewhere else.

Be Proactive in Targeting, Drafting and DEVELOPING a QB.

And of course a restucture from the top down if necessary.
 

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Watch what you say when discussing this team's heart. Some might put you on ignore. But I'd like someone to explain where this team's heart is. 3 straight games giving up 30+ points while, with the exception of that aberration 1st half last week, this team has scored 14 points. And this team has shown 1/2 of football this season. That's it.


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I think all Cards fans could see (from the “effort” of previous weeks) yesterday on the horizon, but still, it was embarrassing. This team lacks pride and looks woefully unprepared. Something is very wrong and now is the time to begin to re-tool. IMHO it wouldn’t hurt to make changes this week (cut Dawson, for example) to try and light a fire under the club and see who’s willing to fight for a roster spot as this team morphs in to its next iteration. Like everyone else, I’d love to see what Gabbert’s got and not waste time thinking Stanton is going to somehow guide this team back to playoff contention. C’mon BASK, for the love of Pete, you’ve got a chance to begin evaluating your future. Please do so and, if you’re not willing, then MB...time to make some changes to the brain trust.
 

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I honestly think the only way this coaching staff is gone next year is if BA resigns, I don't think Michael at Keim will fire him. That isn't what I want but it just the gut feeling I have.
 

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Reddick?? A total non-factor and IMO, hasn’t shown anything worth getting excited about.

+1.

That is the worst thing about this season, was the draft before it. There was SO MUCH talent there for the Cardinals to build on, and they went with hype, over known talent. Haason Reddick was my nightmare scenario in the draft, and it is looking pretty scary right now.

The only things I will give this team a pass on are John Brown, and Tyrann Mathieu, but only to a point. Normally good young talent doesn't vanish this quickly and it was because of injury.

But, can injury be an excuse when you draft players not big enough to hold up in the NFL ?

Agreed. We are looking at at least 3 years before we see a turn around, and that is after the last 2 nightmare seasons. Gonna feel a lot like 2013, and 2014 by the time this team turns the corner again.

I think Arians is going to be gone after this season, and Keim is going to follow him unless he makes some changes to his drafting philosophy.
 

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Is it likely that Bruce Arians would jettison the older talent that he has and admit failure? If he did this, wouldn't ownership agree that he failed and therefore dump the entire coaching staff? It seems to me that if he did what everyone wants him to do is like committing professional seppuku. I think he would just quit before doing that.
 

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Reddick showed a lot more promise at ILB than OLB. Never liked his switch back to OLB. Dansby should be kicked off the team so Reddick can take his spot.
 

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You didn't see quit on Sunday, you saw a coaching staff with zero answers. The defense had nothing to work with other than go out and beat your man 75 times in the game. That doesn't work against well coached teams because they find the mismatch and exploit it.

The offensive line was what is has been, bad. Peterson looked like a guy who needed a FB to tell him where the hole was, and struggles with the passing game (both blocking and receiving). Once that didn't work we looked like a team who struggles to pass block, and got our older QB beat up. Once Stanton came in, it was over. He is terrible. People point to his career record but that came despite his performance in those games. He is inefficient. He is turnover prone. His only trait is that he has been a bad backup for a long time.
 

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+1.

That is the worst thing about this season, was the draft before it. There was SO MUCH talent there for the Cardinals to build on, and they went with hype, over known talent. Haason Reddick was my nightmare scenario in the draft, and it is looking pretty scary right now.

The only things I will give this team a pass on are John Brown, and Tyrann Mathieu, but only to a point. Normally good young talent doesn't vanish this quickly and it was because of injury.

But, can injury be an excuse when you draft players not big enough to hold up in the NFL ?

Agreed. We are looking at at least 3 years before we see a turn around, and that is after the last 2 nightmare seasons. Gonna feel a lot like 2013, and 2014 by the time this team turns the corner again.

I think Arians is going to be gone after this season, and Keim is going to follow him unless he makes some changes to his drafting philosophy.

Let me ask you a question. Who has developed underneath this staff? Who has turned into something that they weren't prior to coming to Arizona? I can't think of anyone. David Johnson is largely the player he was at Northern Iowa. Jaron Brown...maybe. Maybe it isn't Nkemdiche, Humphries, Baker, Reddick, Bethel, and Bucannon. Maybe it is that the people who are working with them, planning for them, and utilizing their skills who are incompetent.
 

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Reddick showed a lot more promise at ILB than OLB. Never liked his switch back to OLB. Dansby should be kicked off the team so Reddick can take his spot.

Dansby is really looking old and slow. When he got hurt and missed a few plays, I thought the guy that replaced him actually looked a little better and at least played with a little pep in his step.
 

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Its not entirely an excuse for the way they played, but I think it was a mistake for the Cardinals to fly back to Phoenix right after the game. The players would have had to bag up their belongings and check out of the hotel. So what they had facing them was a 12 hour flight while they were feeling the pain of the game on a plane that was very unlikely to have lie flat seats for all the players. What I am saying is that this could well have created some anxiety for players during the game. It would have been much better to do what the Rams did. Stay in London overnight and fly back today.
 
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Its not entirely an excuse for the way they played, but I think it was a mistake for the Cardinals to fly back to Phoenix right after the game. The players would have had to bag up their belongings and check out of the hotel. So what they had facing them was a 12 hour flight while they were feeling the pain of the game on a plane that was very unlikely to have lie flat seats for all the players. What I am saying is that this could well have created some anxiety for players during the game. It would have been much better to do what the Rams did. Stay in London overnight and fly back today.

Is this a failed attempt at a joke? :confused:
 

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The list is very long for sure...Let’s face it, when a team loses in the manner the Cards have lost lately...When a professional sports team demonstrates zero desire to fight... When a team clearly gives up on its coach... yea, the list of issues can be extensive. Such is the case with the Cardinals.
But what stings the most - at least for me, is the brutal reality that as bad as this team has been for two straight seasons now, we are about to enter an even longer period of prolonged ineptitude.
Beginning with the coaching - we all know what needs to happen. Might not happen during this season, but the entire coaching staff needs to go. 100% turnover. There simply can’t be any of them left on this team come January/February.
Worse, we have zero young players to build around... No young core any team needs in order to build a winning foundation. None! Jones, PP and DJ are it. We have one marginal OT in Humphries who still has a ton to prove.
Fitz, Palmer, Dansby, Veldheer, Rucker, Bethea, Boone, Shipley... Most of the current starters on this godforsaken team will be/should be gone next year...
Reddick?? A total non-factor and IMO, hasn’t shown anything worth getting excited about. Badger? Love him but he’s toast. Smoke? JJ Nelson? Jaron Brown? All way too inconsistent to ever be true, full time threats.

So what stings the most is the reality of being, once again, NFC West basement dwellers for many years now. We suck for sure... but the degree of suck is about to be taken to levels we haven’t seen since the Max Hall, DWreck days... Ouch... [emoji35]


this team is not lacking in young talent. This team is destroying the young talent it brings in.... a change in coaching staff would magically reveal that the arizona cardinals are not nearly as bereft of talent as they look.
 
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this team is not lacking in young talent. This team is destroying the young talent it brings in.... a change in coaching staff would magically reveal that the arizona cardinals are not nearly as bereft of talent as they look.

I dunno Chuck... I really hope you're right about that. But my eyes tell me otherwise. Hump has shown some promise - but not a ton. And I can't think of any other young talent on the O-line that offers any hope whatsoever...
Diche is a bordering on earning the BUST label. Reddick? I know it's his first season so he's due some slack... but man. He literally was non-existent yesterday... like, he's pretty much been all year.
I mean, where are the young guns?? Where are they hiding??
 

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Got half a season left to play.

Looks bad when you take the long view.

Not so bad if you look at it game by game.

My main beef - If a team can't deal with an injury to a key player, what's it doing in the NFL anyway? Cards have to regroup, make adjustments to do the best it can with an altered collective skill-set, strap it on and play each game like it's their last.

It may not turn out to be pretty, but that's what you do if you're a pro.
 
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Got half a season left to play.

Looks bad when you take the long view.

Not so bad if you look at it game by game.

My main beef - If a team can't deal with an injury to a key player, what's it doing in the NFL anyway? Cards have to regroup, make adjustments to do the best it can with an altered collective skill-set, strap it on and play each game like it's their last.

It may not turn out to be pretty, but that's what you do if you're a pro.

The issues with this team and why they suck have little to do with Palmer now being lost for the season...
 

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This reminds me of the year after we beat Dallas in the playoffs. We had a huge momentum swing and the front office dropped the ball when they let Larry Centers and Lomas Brown go. And then we had the injuries at Minnesota preseason. We never recovered
 

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This reminds me of the year after we beat Dallas in the playoffs. We had a huge momentum swing and the front office dropped the ball when they let Larry Centers and Lomas Brown go. And then we had the injuries at Minnesota preseason. We never recovered

Except we didn't gut the roster over the off-season. Last year would make more sense - this year, with many players returning - we just are poorly coached.
 

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I think we are jinxed. Amd only Warner's spiritual life overcame it ....and almost defeated the curse 100% but we kinda got unlucky in the super bowl. We were the best team in football when Palmer tore his ACL. We have had some bad luck. And then you mix that with incompetent coaching. Whiz and NOW Arians rode big time QBs and talent. But show can't do anything without it.

Minnesota has lost 2 QBs ...top RB and WR and still look good
 

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Minnesota has lost 2 QBs ...top RB and WR and still look good

Good defense, good ST play can cover for a struggling offense. We have neither any longer, thanks to Amos, Bettcher; and BA for allowing them to suck.
 
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