Let's follow a new team...

[slinslin]

How can you keep supporting the people who methodically run our team in the ground over years.

If you don't stand up for your team things will only get worse.

Just because we are Suns fans that doesn't mean we have to accept our team trading Amare and Marion for JJ Hickson after all the other bad trades and draft picks they presented us in the past.

 

[Chaplin]

How can you keep supporting the people who methodically run our team in the ground over years.

If you don't stand up for your team things will only get worse.

Just because we are Suns fans that doesn't mean we have to accept our team trading Amare and Marion for JJ Hickson after all the other bad trades and draft picks they presented us in the past.

No, it's one thing to not support your team because of its moves, but it's yet another to even bring up the idea of switching teams completely.

This isn't even worth a thread.

 

[NastyOne]

How can you keep supporting the people who methodically run our team in the ground over years.

If you don't stand up for your team things will only get worse.

Just because we are Suns fans that doesn't mean we have to accept our team trading Amare and Marion for JJ Hickson after all the other bad trades and draft picks they presented us in the past.

+1

I don't know how anyone can support this team anymore if they do this proposed deal with the Cavs.

I don't even consider this the real Suns anymore since JC/BC left. Saver has ran this team into the ground with his money pinching moves. And this deal would be the last straw.

We waited how many years for a bigman like Amare. And even with all his flaws hes still better than anything we have had at PF/C for many years. And now we want to trade him away for cap savings and nothing else? And that's all it is, cause JJ Hickson isn't worth crap in this league. Hes a freaking role player! That's like us trading Lou for Chris Bosh. Its highway robbery.

And i thought the Pau Gasol deal was one of the worst trades i have ever seen! Atleast Memphis got Marc Gasol in the deal, and i would take Marc Gasol over Hickson in a heartbeat!

We went from getting...

-Young package of high potential players from Golden State.
-Potential young beast in Beasley from Miami.
-Young and Promising but expensive duo of Iggy and Dalembert for Philly.

To freaking JJ HICKSON and a late first round pick that we will probably end up trading for cash? ARE YOU SERIOUS!!?

How the hell can Kerr live with himself knowing that he basically traded Amare and Marion for JJ Hickson? If Kerr ever gets fired from the suns he will never get another front office position in the NBA again!

Time for him to grow a pair and tell Sarver that this deal is beyond ******** and if he wants to make this trade, then do it your damn self.

I can't believe how far this franchise has fallen. We are becoming the Clippers of the 90's. And if we aren't already the laughing stock of the league, we definitely will be if this deal goes through.

I don't think ill be able to root for another team, but im 100% sure that if we trade Amare for just cap relief i won't ever support this organization again until Sarver is gone.

 

[Bufalay]

Go Knicks!

 

[TBaslim]

I plan to be a Suns fan until I die, even with Sarver's stupidity.

The team just happens to be the Cubs of the NBA - so be it.

I can deal as long as they generally play entertaining and hard-working ball. If they truly become the Clippers, I might reconsider. They have a long way to go yet before they reach those depths.

And if I did switch teams, it sure as heck would NEVER, EVER, EVER be the damn OKC Thunder. Franchise stealing bast*rds. I like their young talent but despise their ownership mightily for what they did to Seattle fans.

 

[Chaplin]

I guess the best thing about this thread is that there is a 10% chance that a bunch of people here will never post anymore. Could be a good thing.

 

[TucsonDevil]

I personally didn't vote in the poll, but took a peak at the results. Granted, this is a biased crowd, but I am still surprised by the results. Well over half have stopped or are close to loosing interest entirely for the Suns. I know most are just frustrated and will settle down soon, regardless of the trades (or lack thereof).

However, will fans get over it anytime soon? I find myself watching much fewer games, seeking for Suns news, and finding ways to purchase anything Suns related. That was the same funk I was in from about '99 to '03 (mostly cause I couldn't stand wife-beater Kidd and then Marbury). Today, the economic issues that face every American put into perspective sports at a different level. Watching this owner and his sidekick strip the team of talent and prospects are taking its toll - at the wrong time. Americans are, and have been, re-prioritizing their lives the last 12 months - and when the chips fall, I don't see how Phoenix Suns Basketball remains high on anyone's list.

Yes, young kids and college students may continue to cheer for you, but what about that section of the market with shrinking discretionary income? I am of that group, and I am finding more rewarding ways to spend my money with my kids...

 

[SactownSunsFan]

I remember when I was ready to write a letter to the Suns FO tendering my resignation as a fan the day they traded Kidd for Marbury - went so far as to write the first two paragraphs.... and yet here I am 8 years later, still the fan I've always been.

This poll is more about frustration than anything. I'm frustrated too with what's transpired recently with this franchise... but isn't that part of being a sports fan? You win some, you lose some. Sometimes your team makes bad decisions, and sometimes they make good decisions. Teams rise and fall. Age and rebuild.

If you think these rumored Amare trades look bad, look back to when Memphis traded Pau Gasol. A lot of Grizz fans were livid when that trade went down, feeling they got pennies on the dollar for Pau - today I think you'd be hard pressed to find a Grizzlies fan that won't say that trade was for the better.

 

[Gaddabout]

Anyone remember when Colangelo was a pariah and Dial was threatening to move the team to San Diego (and no one seemed to care?). You never really know if its ownership or GM that's the problem.

 

[Mainstreet]

Anyone remember when Colangelo was a pariah and Dial was threatening to move the team to San Diego (and no one seemed to care?). You never really know if its ownership or GM that's the problem.

I never remember JC being a pariah. He is my role model.

He was able to keep the Suns here in Phoenix.

 

[SunsTzu]

You never really know if its ownership or GM that's the problem.

When there have been so many trades with different GMs that did nothing but bring in cash I think you could make a pretty good guess at who the problem is.

 

[Ronin]

I remember when I was ready to write a letter to the Suns FO tendering my resignation as a fan the day they traded Kidd for Marbury - went so far as to write the first two paragraphs.... and yet here I am 8 years later, still the fan I've always been.

This poll is more about frustration than anything. I'm frustrated too with what's transpired recently with this franchise... but isn't that part of being a sports fan? You win some, you lose some. Sometimes your team makes bad decisions, and sometimes they make good decisions. Teams rise and fall. Age and rebuild.

If you think these rumored Amare trades look bad, look back to when Memphis traded Pau Gasol. A lot of Grizz fans were livid when that trade went down, feeling they got pennies on the dollar for Pau - today I think you'd be hard pressed to find a Grizzlies fan that won't say that trade was for the better.

I have a question..seeing that you're a 49ers fan also...does the downfall of the Suns compare to the downfall the 49ers of a couple years ago(ex, controversial tape, Terry Donahue, Passing on Vince Wilfork, J.J. Stokes, etc)?
I don't think it does...not even close.

 

[SactownSunsFan]

I have a question..seeing that you're a 49ers fan also...does the downfall of the Suns compare to the downfall the 49ers of a couple years ago(ex, controversial tape, Terry Donahue, Passing on Vince Wilfork, J.J. Stokes, etc)?
I don't think it does...not even close.

Seeing as how the Suns have made the playoffs almost every year in the Nash era, including a few WCFs, and, despite the "the sky is falling" mantra on this board of late (and, let's face it, off and on over the last 3 years) despite still being on pace to make the playoffs this year, I would say no. Absolutely not even close. comparing the Suns situation to the 49ers situation would be like comparing the catastrophe level of a mild winter storm to that of a tsunami.

Frankly, these last 5-6 Suns seasons have helped me cope with the suckage that has been the 2000's era 49ers.

 

[boisesuns]

I've lost more and more interest over the last few years. The spurs series a few years ago really soured me towards the NBA in general. I not watched one game this year and only a few highlights here and there. I still check the board often more out of habit than curiosity.

I see more commitment to style than to winning and playing defense. It doesn't seem like management wants to improve the teams weaknesses, but rather make sure the suns are entertaining.

In the NBA ego's are celebrated, players make more in one game than most of us do in a year, and games have known to be fixed in the past.

All that said, I won't ever follow another team. I'll stick with the suns, I'm just not going to follow them like i have in the past or get emotionally tied up in their results.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

The only way I'll root for a new team is if I move to a new state. I've been a Cardinals fan all my life too. But I agree with everyone above saying we need to send a message to the owner. Just stop going to games. When the stadium is empty and Sarver isn't making the money he was he'll either pony up for a winner or sell to someone that will. I'm done giving Robert Sarver my money when he is taking my team and running it into the ground just to make a buck. He can say all he wants that he wants a winner but ends up trading all our pieces and draft picks. What the hell did we end up getting for Marion again? Didn't we end up getting two guys that we bought out of their contracts when Shaq got traded to Cle? And were about to get raped from Clev again if that trade goes through?

The only thing I can think of is Robert Sarver and Lebron have a pack behind everyones back saying trade Clev all your pieces that could get me a title and I'll play for you when my contract runs our here this year. But until that happens, I'm done supporting this team financially.

 

[cly2tw]

I spend way too much time on Suns related discussion. Maybe trading Amare for garbage would be a blessing in disguise in this sense. I definitely won't follow Phoenix Clippers much, but may look into Amare's finals appearance and root for him for sure.

 

[Cheesebeef]

i don't think i could ever switch teams in my heart, but I can switch how I root for my team and that has happened as I now just actively root AGAINST the Suns, hoping that we'll be sooooo bad and embarrassing that Sarver realizes it's time to make money on his investment and get the hell out before it starts going really south. While he is treating the team like the Clippers, he's not Donald Sterling where this team is his baby so he's not going to hold on to it forever, so the faster he makes us a laughingstock (which is where our FO is now), the faster he'll cut and run. Thus, I will not root for anyone else, but i WILL root AGAINST us. Sometimes, in order to save the village (or forrest, or whatever that phrase is) you must burn it down. That's my attitude these days.

 

[AzStevenCal]

While he is treating the team like the Clippers, he's not Donald Sterling where this team is his baby so he's not going to hold on to it forever, so the faster he makes us a laughingstock (which is where our FO is now), the faster he'll cut and run. Thus, I will not root for anyone else, but i WILL root AGAINST us. Sometimes, in order to save the village (or forrest, or whatever that phrase is) you must burn it down. That's my attitude these days.

They've made several decisions that I've disagreed with and certainly the internet and sports talk radio world has had a field day portraying Sarver in a similar light as Sterling but I see no justification for that comparison. He's made financially motivated decisions that backfired (and many of those decisions were obviously shortsighted) but we've still been among the highest payrolls throughout his tenure.

Sterling, less so lately, but for the vast majority of his ownership, has apparently been concerned solely with keeping costs to an absolute minimum. Sarver has been concerned with putting a competitive product on the floor while still trying to keep a handle on the purse strings. And I'd suggest that the modern day version of sports media fueled by a vocal minority of disgruntled fans has done far more to turn this franchise towards "laughingstock" territory than anything Sarver has done.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

They've made several decisions that I've disagreed with and certainly the internet and sports talk radio world has had a field day portraying Sarver in a similar light as Sterling but I see no justification for that comparison. He's made financially motivated decisions that backfired (and many of those decisions were obviously shortsighted) but we've still been among the highest payrolls throughout his tenure.

Sterling, less so lately, but for the vast majority of his ownership, has apparently been concerned solely with keeping costs to an absolute minimum. Sarver has been concerned with putting a competitive product on the floor while still trying to keep a handle on the purse strings. And I'd suggest that the modern day version of sports media fueled by a vocal minority of disgruntled fans has done far more to turn this franchise towards "laughingstock" territory than anything Sarver has done.

Steve

that's great steve, but when I read ESPN reporters, CNN reporter and CBS reporters and the like call our FO cheap, penny-pinching, IN THE TOILET, that to me says laughingstock. They control perception and over and over again, that's all i read (and agree with).

but I'm not gonna get into this argument again. it's tired... and I'm right.

 

[AzStevenCal]

that's great steve, but when I read ESPN reporters, CNN reporter and CBS reporters and the like call our FO cheap, penny-pinching, IN THE TOILET, that to me says laughingstock. They control perception and over and over again, that's all i read (and agree with).

but I'm not gonna get into this argument again. it's tired... and I'm right.

I understand and trying to hang on to "reality" in the face of such overwhelming "perception" is a daunting task. Especially since there is usually some degree of truth in the trash they're spewing but you know as well as anyone how easy it is to shape perception. Modern day sports media has all the originality of a Stepford Wife. Most of them just recycle the opinion they just heard from some other expert idiot who's done even less research then the guy he stole his thought from.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

I understand and trying to hang on to "reality" in the face of such overwhelming "perception" is a daunting task. Especially since there is usually some degree of truth in the trash they're spewing but you know as well as anyone how easy it is to shape perception. Modern day sports media has all the originality of a Stepford Wife. Most of them just recycle the opinion they just heard from some other expert idiot who's done even less research then the guy he stole his thought from.

Steve

yeah, but Steve, I'm a pretty independent guy... and I AGREE with them for the most part. I was skeptical about Sarver from the start of the JJ negotiations to the chicken dance incident to his handling of BC and all he's done is gotten worse over time.

 

[AzStevenCal]

yeah, but Steve, I'm a pretty independent guy... and I AGREE with them for the most part. I was skeptical about Sarver from the start of the JJ negotiations to the chicken dance incident to his handling of BC and all he's done is gotten worse over time.

Sure, and no offense intended but you're a very cynical person. I line up on the Pollyanna side of the world and we need both extremes. The problem is that the so-called media is supposed to be somewhere in between and they've ended up relegating you and your opinion to the mainstream. You can't possibly be happy there.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sure, and no offense intended but you're a very cynical person. I line up on the Pollyanna side of the world and we need both extremes.

huh? A very cynical person doesn't drop out of law school and long term job security after two years of doing very well there to chase a dream and move up to Hollywood to become a screenwriter which is next to impossible to do AND then actually accomplish that goal after having every imaginable career/health/emotional obstacle thrown his way.

please don't tell me what or who I am because I think the Suns front office is a joke. The above IS insulting.

seriously, even with sports, I can be as Pollyanish as anyone... I thought the Cardinals were going to go back to the Super Bowl for pete's sake... the Cardinals... in the Super Bowl... AGAIN. If that ain't Pollyanish, I don't know what is.

The problem is that the so-called media is supposed to be somewhere in between and they've ended up relegating you and your opinion to the mainstream. You can't possibly be happy there.

Steve

okay steve... It's okay to agree with the media... when they're RIGHT, which I believe them to be here.

 

[AzStevenCal]

please don't tell me what or who I am because I think the Suns front office is a joke. The above IS insulting.

Okay, so I should have used the smiley face icon. I don't post very often but I've been around awhile and have read most of your posts and thought you'd recognize it as a playful comment. I certainly meant what I said when I said no offense intended.

Steve

 

[SunsTzu]

seriously, even with sports, I can be as Pollyanish as anyone...

DB!